csspecs 1,987 Posted May 23, 2013 Report Share Posted May 23, 2013 When I went through the safe act website I noticed something. What type of gun do you own?: Shotgun Is your gun semi-automatic?: Yes Does your gun have the ability to accept a detachable magazine?: Yes Does your gun fit any of the descriptions below? Please check all that apply. 2: Is it unable to hold more than five rounds of ammunition in a fixed or detachable magazine? Your gun is not an assault weapon. Your thoughts? Then it goes on to list the detachable mag as a banned feature in the PDF. Which would stand to reason is not allowed even in a 5 or less model. Apparently the people making the website don't understand the law. Or the PDF is in error. Also, is it just me or are the photos of banned features copy written photos from product advertisements? Quote Link to post Share on other sites
YOT 3,743 Posted May 23, 2013 Report Share Posted May 23, 2013 http://www.governor.ny.gov/assets/documents/ShotgunsthatAREclassifiedasassaultweapons.pdf It doesn't get much clearer than that. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
4x4Blazer 3 Posted May 24, 2013 Report Share Posted May 24, 2013 Since that list is not found in the law it means nothing, from what I can tell. If they wanted to ban firearms by name it would have to be in the law, not listed on some shitty powerpoint that one of Cuomos interns made. That site is full of mistakes. For example see the link below they list the Arsenal SGL 41 as NOT an Assault weapon. http://www.governor.ny.gov/assets/documents/Shotguns_thatareNOTclassifiedasassaultweapons.pdf Here's the stock photo from Kvar, its clearly a semi auto shotgun with a detachable magazine. So it should be illegal yet they say its NOT an AW. So do you want to take legal advise from that crap? We still have lots of time for things to happen, enjoy your S12. We can start to worry about what to do in 2014. BTW I hope you have a pistol grip on yours now, since they removed pgs as an evil feature. FUCK CUOMO! Quote Link to post Share on other sites
YOT 3,743 Posted May 24, 2013 Report Share Posted May 24, 2013 Since that list is not found in the law it means nothing, from what I can tell. If they wanted to ban firearms by name it would have to be in the law, not listed on some shitty powerpoint that one of Cuomos interns made. That site is full of mistakes. For example see the link below they list the Arsenal SGL 41 as NOT an Assault weapon. http://www.governor.ny.gov/assets/documents/Shotguns_thatareNOTclassifiedasassaultweapons.pdf Here's the stock photo from Kvar, its clearly a semi auto shotgun with a detachable magazine. So it should be illegal yet they say its NOT an AW. So do you want to take legal advise from that crap? We still have lots of time for things to happen, enjoy your S12. We can start to worry about what to do in 2014. BTW I hope you have a pistol grip on yours now, since they removed pgs as an evil feature. FUCK CUOMO! 4x4, you need to read the text of the safe act. Yes, the pfd is faulty. No, NYers have not been able to have a pistol grip on a semi automatic shotgun since at least before 2000 (1994). Weapons do not need to be "individually named". They need to fit criteria defined in the Law. The removal of the the pistol grip as an evil feature was moot, because now you only need a semi-auto shotgun with an ability to accept a detachable magazine for it to be an "assault weapon." That IS the only necessary evil feature of a Saiga. Now, ANY type of stock or grip makes no difference. http://open.nysenate.gov/legislation/bill/s2230-2013 S 37. Subdivision 22 of section 265.00 of the penal law, as added by chapter 189 of the laws of 2000, is amended to read as follows: 22. "Assault weapon" means [(a) a semiautomatic rifle that has an ability to accept a detachable magazine and has at least two of the following characteristics: (i) a folding or telescoping stock; (ii) a pistol grip that protrudes conspicuously beneath the action of the weapon; (iii) a bayonet mount; (iv) a flash suppressor or threaded barrel designed to accommodate a flash suppressor; (v) a grenade launcher; or ( a semiautomatic shotgun that has at least two of the following characteristics: (i) a folding or telescoping stock; (ii) a pistol grip that protrudes conspicuously beneath the action of the weapon; (iii) a fixed magazine capacity in excess of five rounds; (iv) an ability to accept a detachable magazine; or © a semiautomatic pistol that has an ability to accept a detachable magazine and has at least two of the following characteristics: S. 2230 18 A. 2388 (i) an ammunition magazine that attaches to the pistol outside of the pistol grip; (ii) a threaded barrel capable of accepting a barrel extender, flash suppressor, forward handgrip, or silencer; (iii) a shroud that is attached to, or partially or completely encir- cles, the barrel and that permits the shooter to hold the firearm with the nontrigger hand without being burned; (iv) a manufactured weight of fifty ounces or more when the pistol is unloaded; (v) a semiautomatic version of an automatic rifle, shotgun or firearm; or (d) any of the weapons, or functioning frames or receivers of such weapons, or copies or duplicates of such weapons, in any caliber, known as: (i) Norinco, Mitchell, and Poly Technologies Avtomat Kalashnikovs (all models); (ii) Action Arms Israeli Military Industries UZI and Galil; (iii) Beretta Ar70 (SC-70); (iv) Colt AR-15; (v) Fabrique National FN/FAL, FN/LAR, and FNC; (vi) SWD M-10, M-11, M-11/9, and M-12; (vii) Steyr AUG; (viii) INTRATEC TEC-9, TEC-DC9 and TEC-22; and (ix) revolving cylinder shotguns, such as (or similar to) the Street Sweeper and Striker 12; (e) provided, however, that such term does not include: (i) any rifle, shotgun or pistol that (A) is manually operated by bolt, pump, lever or slide action; ( has been rendered permanently inoperable; or © is an antique firearm as defined in 18 U.S.C. 921(a)(16); (ii) a semiautomatic rifle that cannot accept a detachable magazine that holds more than five rounds of ammunition; (iii) a semiautomatic shotgun that cannot hold more than five rounds of ammunition in a fixed or detachable magazine; (iv) a rifle, shotgun or pistol, or a replica or a duplicate thereof, specified in Appendix A to section 922 of 18 U.S.C. as such weapon was manufactured on October first, nineteen hundred ninety-three. The mere fact that a weapon is not listed in Appendix A shall not be construed to mean that such weapon is an assault weapon; or (v) a semiautomatic rifle, a semiautomatic shotgun or a semiautomatic pistol or any of the weapons defined in paragraph (d) of this subdivi- sion lawfully possessed prior to September fourteenth, nineteen hundred ninety-four.] (A) A SEMIAUTOMATIC RIFLE THAT HAS AN ABILITY TO ACCEPT A DETACHABLE MAGAZINE AND HAS AT LEAST ONE OF THE FOLLOWING CHARACTERISTICS: (I) A FOLDING OR TELESCOPING STOCK; (II) A PISTOL GRIP THAT PROTRUDES CONSPICUOUSLY BENEATH THE ACTION OF THE WEAPON; (III) A THUMBHOLE STOCK; (IV) A SECOND HANDGRIP OR A PROTRUDING GRIP THAT CAN BE HELD BY THE NON-TRIGGER HAND; (V) A BAYONET MOUNT; (VI) A FLASH SUPPRESSOR, MUZZLE BREAK, MUZZLE COMPENSATOR, OR THREADED BARREL DESIGNED TO ACCOMMODATE A FLASH SUPPRESSOR, MUZZLE BREAK, OR MUZZLE COMPENSATOR; (VII) A GRENADE LAUNCHER; OR S. 2230 19 A. 2388 ( A SEMIAUTOMATIC SHOTGUN THAT HAS AT LEAST ONE OF THE FOLLOWING CHARACTERISTICS: (I) A FOLDING OR TELESCOPING STOCK; (II) A THUMBHOLE STOCK; (III) A SECOND HANDGRIP OR A PROTRUDING GRIP THAT CAN BE HELD BY THE NON-TRIGGER HAND; (IV) A FIXED MAGAZINE CAPACITY IN EXCESS OF SEVEN ROUNDS; (V) AN ABILITY TO ACCEPT A DETACHABLE MAGAZINE; OR © A SEMIAUTOMATIC PISTOL THAT HAS AN ABILITY TO ACCEPT A DETACHABLE MAGAZINE AND HAS AT LEAST ONE OF THE FOLLOWING CHARACTERISTICS: (I) A FOLDING OR TELESCOPING STOCK; (II) A THUMBHOLE STOCK; (III) A SECOND HANDGRIP OR A PROTRUDING GRIP THAT CAN BE HELD BY THE NON-TRIGGER HAND; (IV) CAPACITY TO ACCEPT AN AMMUNITION MAGAZINE THAT ATTACHES TO THE PISTOL OUTSIDE OF THE PISTOL GRIP; (V) A THREADED BARREL CAPABLE OF ACCEPTING A BARREL EXTENDER, FLASH SUPPRESSOR, FORWARD HANDGRIP, OR SILENCER; (VI) A SHROUD THAT IS ATTACHED TO, OR PARTIALLY OR COMPLETELY ENCIR- CLES, THE BARREL AND THAT PERMITS THE SHOOTER TO HOLD THE FIREARM WITH THE NON-TRIGGER HAND WITHOUT BEING BURNED; (VII) A MANUFACTURED WEIGHT OF FIFTY OUNCES OR MORE WHEN THE PISTOL IS UNLOADED; OR (VIII) A SEMIAUTOMATIC VERSION OF AN AUTOMATIC RIFLE, SHOTGUN OR FIREARM; (D) A REVOLVING CYLINDER SHOTGUN; (E) A SEMIAUTOMATIC RIFLE, A SEMIAUTOMATIC SHOTGUN OR A SEMIAUTOMATIC PISTOL OR WEAPON DEFINED IN SUBPARAGRAPH (V) OF PARAGRAPH (E) OF SUBDI- VISION TWENTY-TWO OF SECTION 265.00 OF THIS CHAPTER AS ADDED BY CHAPTER ONE HUNDRED EIGHTY-NINE OF THE LAWS OF TWO THOUSAND AND OTHERWISE LAWFULLY POSSESSED PURSUANT TO SUCH CHAPTER OF THE LAWS OF TWO THOUSAND PRIOR TO SEPTEMBER FOURTEENTH, NINETEEN HUNDRED NINETY-FOUR; (F) A SEMIAUTOMATIC RIFLE, A SEMIAUTOMATIC SHOTGUN OR A SEMIAUTOMATIC PISTOL OR WEAPON DEFINED IN PARAGRAPH (A), ( OR © OF THIS SUBDIVI- SION, POSSESSED PRIOR TO THE DATE OF ENACTMENT OF THE CHAPTER OF THE LAWS OF TWO THOUSAND THIRTEEN WHICH ADDED THIS PARAGRAPH; (G) PROVIDED, HOWEVER, THAT SUCH TERM DOES NOT INCLUDE: (I) ANY RIFLE, SHOTGUN OR PISTOL THAT (A) IS MANUALLY OPERATED BY BOLT, PUMP, LEVER OR SLIDE ACTION; ( HAS BEEN RENDERED PERMANENTLY INOPERABLE; OR © IS AN ANTIQUE FIREARM AS DEFINED IN 18 U.S.C. 921(A)(16); (II) A SEMIAUTOMATIC RIFLE THAT CANNOT ACCEPT A DETACHABLE MAGAZINE THAT HOLDS MORE THAN FIVE ROUNDS OF AMMUNITION; (III) A SEMIAUTOMATIC SHOTGUN THAT CANNOT HOLD MORE THAN FIVE ROUNDS OF AMMUNITION IN A FIXED OR DETACHABLE MAGAZINE; OR (IV) A RIFLE, SHOTGUN OR PISTOL, OR A REPLICA OR A DUPLICATE THEREOF, SPECIFIED IN APPENDIX A TO 18 U.S.C. 922 AS SUCH WEAPON WAS MANUFACTURED ON OCTOBER FIRST, NINETEEN HUNDRED NINETY-THREE. THE MERE FACT THAT A WEAPON IS NOT LISTED IN APPENDIX A SHALL NOT BE CONSTRUED TO MEAN THAT SUCH WEAPON IS AN ASSAULT WEAPON; (V) ANY WEAPON VALIDLY REGISTERED PURSUANT TO SUBDIVISION SIXTEEN-A OF SECTION 400.00 OF THIS CHAPTER. SUCH WEAPONS SHALL BE SUBJECT TO THE PROVISIONS OF PARAGRAPH (H) OF THIS SUBDIVISION; (VI) ANY FIREARM, RIFLE, OR SHOTGUN THAT WAS MANUFACTURED AT LEAST FIFTY YEARS PRIOR TO THE CURRENT DATE, BUT NOT INCLUDING REPLICAS THERE- S. 2230 20 A. 2388 OF THAT IS VALIDLY REGISTERED PURSUANT TO SUBDIVISION SIXTEEN-A OF SECTION 400.00 OF THIS CHAPTER; (H) ANY WEAPON DEFINED IN PARAGRAPH (E) OR (F) OF THIS SUBDIVISION AND ANY LARGE CAPACITY AMMUNITION FEEDING DEVICE THAT WAS LEGALLY POSSESSED BY AN INDIVIDUAL PRIOR TO THE ENACTMENT OF THE CHAPTER OF THE LAWS OF TWO THOUSAND THIRTEEN WHICH ADDED THIS PARAGRAPH, MAY ONLY BE SOLD TO, EXCHANGED WITH OR DISPOSED OF TO A PURCHASER AUTHORIZED TO POSSESS SUCH WEAPONS OR TO AN INDIVIDUAL OR ENTITY OUTSIDE OF THE STATE PROVIDED THAT ANY SUCH TRANSFER TO AN INDIVIDUAL OR ENTITY OUTSIDE OF THE STATE MUST BE REPORTED TO THE ENTITY WHEREIN THE WEAPON IS REGISTERED WITHIN SEVEN- TY-TWO HOURS OF SUCH TRANSFER. AN INDIVIDUAL WHO TRANSFERS ANY SUCH WEAPON OR LARGE CAPACITY AMMUNITION DEVICE TO AN INDIVIDUAL INSIDE NEW YORK STATE OR WITHOUT COMPLYING WITH THE PROVISIONS OF THIS PARAGRAPH SHALL BE GUILTY OF A CLASS A MISDEMEANOR UNLESS SUCH LARGE CAPACITY AMMUNITION FEEDING DEVICE, THE POSSESSION OF WHICH IS MADE ILLEGAL BY THE CHAPTER OF THE LAWS OF TWO THOUSAND THIRTEEN WHICH ADDED THIS PARA- GRAPH, IS TRANSFERRED WITHIN ONE YEAR OF THE EFFECTIVE DATE OF THE CHAP- TER OF THE LAWS OF TWO THOUSAND THIRTEEN WHICH ADDED THIS PARAGRAPH. S 38. Subdivision 23 of section 265.00 of the penal law, as added by chapter 189 of the laws of 2000, is amended to read as follows: 23. "Large capacity ammunition feeding device" means a magazine, belt, drum, feed strip, or similar device, [manufactured after September thir- teenth, nineteen hundred ninety-four,] that (A) has a capacity of, or that can be readily restored or converted to accept, more than ten rounds of ammunition, OR ( CONTAINS MORE THAN SEVEN ROUNDS OF AMMUNI- TION, OR © IS OBTAINED AFTER THE EFFECTIVE DATE OF THE CHAPTER OF THE LAWS OF TWO THOUSAND THIRTEEN WHICH AMENDED THIS SUBDIVISION AND HAS A CAPACITY OF, OR THAT CAN BE READILY RESTORED OR CONVERTED TO ACCEPT, MORE THAN SEVEN ROUNDS OF AMMUNITION; provided, however, that such term does not include an attached tubular device designed to accept, and capable of operating only with, .22 caliber rimfire ammunition OR A FEEDING DEVICE THAT IS A CURIO OR RELIC. A FEEDING DEVICE THAT IS A CURIO OR RELIC IS DEFINED AS A DEVICE THAT (I) WAS MANUFACTURED AT LEAST FIFTY YEARS PRIOR TO THE CURRENT DATE, (II) IS ONLY CAPABLE OF BEING USED EXCLUSIVELY IN A FIREARM, RIFLE, OR SHOTGUN THAT WAS MANUFACTURED AT LEAST FIFTY YEARS PRIOR TO THE CURRENT DATE, BUT NOT INCLUDING REPLI- CAS THEREOF, (III) IS POSSESSED BY AN INDIVIDUAL WHO IS NOT PROHIBITED BY STATE OR FEDERAL LAW FROM POSSESSING A FIREARM AND (IV) IS REGISTERED WITH THE DIVISION OF STATE POLICE PURSUANT TO SUBDIVISION SIXTEEN-A OF SECTION 400.00 OF THIS CHAPTER, EXCEPT SUCH FEEDING DEVICES TRANSFERRED INTO THE STATE MAY BE REGISTERED AT ANY TIME, PROVIDED THEY ARE REGIS- TERED WITHIN THIRTY DAYS OF THEIR TRANSFER INTO THE STATE. NOTWITH- STANDING PARAGRAPH (H) OF SUBDIVISION TWENTY-TWO OF THIS SECTION, SUCH FEEDING DEVICES MAY BE TRANSFERRED PROVIDED THAT SUCH TRANSFER SHALL BE SUBJECT TO THE PROVISIONS OF SECTION 400.03 OF THIS CHAPTER INCLUDING THE CHECK REQUIRED TO BE CONDUCTED PURSUANT TO SUCH SECTION. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
4x4Blazer 3 Posted May 24, 2013 Report Share Posted May 24, 2013 Yeold I have read it many times. Your missing the point I am making, these firearms are not banned by name, but banned by feature. Yes the Saiga 12 has a detachable mag, that is why it is banned. The name doesn't matter there is no list. Someone in this thread said ,"if it's banded by name, it wouldn't matter what you do." I'm just pointing out that, as long the firearm passes the NO Feature test then it is good to go in NY. Going to be harder to do on some firearms then others. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Nailbomb 10,221 Posted May 24, 2013 Report Share Posted May 24, 2013 I'm pointing out we are all working off a old copy of the law, and NO ONE that I know of including LEOs has a updated copy(heres a hint the new version has the exclusion for movie makers. That Passed, and was needed for the filming of the new spiderman in Rochester http://www.13wham.com/news/local/story/Spider-Man-Filming-Downtown-Rochester/mWdhal9J0Eyv48B5rL_YCQ.cspx). The by name portion is off Cuomos website and specifically names the factory. that website is supposed to be the guide we all go by, that and the hotline. problem is you can get 2 answeres to some questions from the hotline. I spent a good amount of time harassing them myself asking rhetorical questions about guns I don't even own(not that I told them that). So that being said we are led to believe by his website that one of the post passing amendments was the by name section. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Nailbomb 10,221 Posted May 24, 2013 Report Share Posted May 24, 2013 Stripped AR-15 Lowers and Complete Lowers - Semi auto? Automatically Evil... The next area that is very nebulous, whether by design or so that people hang themselves is AR-15 lowers. From what we have been told as many other FFLs have been advised by the state is that, ALL sales of AR-15 lowers including stripped, are now illegal within NY. We asked and have been told that even if you wanted to buy a stripped AR-15 type lower to build it into a featureless build, or into a BOLT-ACTION rifle (such as the many bolt action AR-15 uppers available within the US on the market plus those on the market in England), all would be illegal and not permitted under the new SAFE Act. How could they ban a simple receiver which in reality is an "other" on 4473s per the ATF? A stripped lower is a featureless item. It is not by design semi automatic, and automatically banned somehow. It should be perfectly legal to build them into a bolt action AR-15 or a featureless semi auto AR-15 type rifle. Source : http://mtm-mfg.com/NY_SAFE_Act.html ^^^ This is due to the amended by name section. Rifles : http://www.governor.ny.gov/assets/documents/RiflesthatAREclassifiedasassaultweapons.pdf Shotguns: http://www.governor.ny.gov/assets/documents/ShotgunsthatAREclassifiedasassaultweapons.pdf On the downside the Governors Cloak and dagger here makes this extremely restrictive. on the other hand it makes it easier to fight in court. the downside to that is you have to get a court case going based on it to fight it. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
csspecs 1,987 Posted May 24, 2013 Report Share Posted May 24, 2013 (G) PROVIDED, HOWEVER, THAT SUCH TERM DOES NOT INCLUDE: (I) ANY RIFLE, SHOTGUN OR PISTOL THAT (A) IS MANUALLY OPERATED BY BOLT, PUMP, LEVER OR SLIDE ACTION; ( HAS BEEN RENDERED PERMANENTLY INOPERABLE; OR © IS AN ANTIQUE FIREARM AS DEFINED IN 18 U.S.C. 921(A)(16); (II) A SEMIAUTOMATIC RIFLE THAT CANNOT ACCEPT A DETACHABLE MAGAZINE THAT HOLDS MORE THAN FIVE ROUNDS OF AMMUNITION; (III) A SEMIAUTOMATIC SHOTGUN THAT CANNOT HOLD MORE THAN FIVE ROUNDS OF AMMUNITION IN A FIXED OR DETACHABLE MAGAZINE; They left chunks of the old law in the new one.. Which is part of the mess. However, named or not. If its manually operated its not banned! And its exempt if it only holds 5 rounds (stupid "law makers" apparently can't read). 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Nailbomb 10,221 Posted May 24, 2013 Report Share Posted May 24, 2013 good point, I doubt even on a revised edition they would remember to remove that. Hell in the meetings I went to they could barely keep track of sections A-C, and I stumped them on my first try with a question about section D. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
4x4Blazer 3 Posted June 2, 2013 Report Share Posted June 2, 2013 If someone was to permanently attach a mag, it would have to be 7 rounds max correct? Quote Link to post Share on other sites
YOT 3,743 Posted June 2, 2013 Report Share Posted June 2, 2013 If someone was to permanently attach a mag, it would have to be 7 rounds max correct? Yes Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Sdustin 578 Posted June 2, 2013 Report Share Posted June 2, 2013 (edited) Man I hate for you guys. So if you have a gun that's now banned but wasn't what happens? Are you now a felon? And if no one follows the law it would send a point. Edited June 2, 2013 by Ak Monty Quote Link to post Share on other sites
rnemhrd 165 Posted June 2, 2013 Report Share Posted June 2, 2013 I think they were slapped in the dick calling rifles out by name. Such as saiga. They had to go to features. That's why the AR is allowed featureless. Saiga rifles featureless are too. They haven't updated text yet. Do not quote me. Check for your self. If someone welded the mag well of a s12 up it no longer accepts a box mag. Eliminating that feature. I would kick you in the balls for doing it if I met you though. I think that's a sin somewhere. 2 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
YOT 3,743 Posted June 2, 2013 Report Share Posted June 2, 2013 I mentioned to NB about welding a strap around the bottom of the factory 5 rounder onto each side of the receiver. Minimally invasive, but preventing detachment of the magazine. There would need to be a slot cut into the the mag for a "button" attached to the follower, to compress the spring, while dropping shells in from the ejection port. It's not like we're not trying to come up with plans. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Sdustin 578 Posted June 2, 2013 Report Share Posted June 2, 2013 So your a felon if you do nothing and just keep the firearms you already have. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
6500rpm 670 Posted June 2, 2013 Report Share Posted June 2, 2013 How are the California guys with bullet buttons loading their mags? fwiw, there's a Cali PAR-3 on Gunbroker right now, pump action AK and it has a bullet button on it. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
rnemhrd 165 Posted June 2, 2013 Report Share Posted June 2, 2013 (edited) So your a felon if you do nothing and just keep the firearms you already have. Not yet. Have untill Jan. 15th. With them allowing modded ARs that are just as effective as the previous versions and retired LEOs to have banned weapons, who are just civilians the case against the unsafe act is stronger. I think it will be shoved up Andy's ass. I'll would send anything I had out of state to the in-laws before complying or making a mutilation of a S12s function. Buy a pump. I have an S12 for what it is. Not cutting its nuts off for a DICTATOR. Edited June 2, 2013 by rnemhrd 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
DeerSlayer7600 20 Posted June 2, 2013 Report Share Posted June 2, 2013 Two words, Civil Disobedience. That is all I'm going to say. 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
YOT 3,743 Posted June 2, 2013 Report Share Posted June 2, 2013 So your a felon if you do nothing and just keep the firearms you already have. Not yet. Have untill Jan. 15th. With them allowing modded ARs that are just as effective as the previous versions and retired LEOs to have banned weapons, who are just civilians the case against the unsafe act is stronger. I think it will be shoved up Andy's ass. I'll would send anything I had out of state to the in-laws before complying or making a mutilation of a S12s function. Buy a pump. I have an S12 for what it is. Not cutting its nuts off for a DICTATOR. Actually the date is April 15, 2014. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
ResponsiveResolve 7 Posted June 3, 2013 Report Share Posted June 3, 2013 I think they were slapped in the dick calling rifles out by name. Such as saiga. They had to go to features. That's why the AR is allowed featureless. Saiga rifles featureless are too. They haven't updated text yet. Do not quote me. Check for your self. If someone welded the mag well of a s12 up it no longer accepts a box mag. Eliminating that feature. I would kick you in the balls for doing it if I met you though. I think that's a sin somewhere. LOL. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
csspecs 1,987 Posted June 3, 2013 Report Share Posted June 3, 2013 I'm of the opinion that manual actuation (pump or slide) is less annoying than trying to reload a box mag through the receiver. If your shotgun is a pump its not banned because of the box mag, at least as far as I read. 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
IndyArms 10,186 Posted June 4, 2013 Author Report Share Posted June 4, 2013 So your a felon if you do nothing and just keep the firearms you already have. That is correct. Turns good, innocent, constitution loving, patriots into FELONS... with the stroke of a pen! Quote Link to post Share on other sites
rnemhrd 165 Posted January 7, 2014 Report Share Posted January 7, 2014 (edited) From NY Dicktater's... Ahem... Governor's website Q: If I modify my gun by removing all design characteristics that makes it an assault weapon, do I have to register it? A: No. If you modify your gun so that it is not an assault weapon, you do not have to register it. The modification must be permanent however. This includes, for example, removing the bayonet lug by cutting or grinding, grinding off the threads on the barrel, removing the foregrip so that it cannot be readily reattached, or any change that cannot be reversed through reasonable means. Sorry to bring this back from the dead. That permanent shit is not really true. If the This above is NOT the law. The law does not say permanent in it. If it requires tools to remove it should be ok. The issue was a ruger mini14, or 10/22 would have to have the sporter stocks permanently mounted or with one screw a pistol grip stock could be added. They still sell them with one screw stock removal. As fot a S12 a cheap plastic mag well and keepshooting 5 rounder pinned and epoxied in the mag well would be permanent I think. You could add a AK mag lock with the release slot welded over and have a boxed mag release. No way to remove the mag without the use of tools.Also, pistol grip is not an evil feature of a shotgun, just a thumbhole stock.lol Edited January 7, 2014 by rnemhrd Quote Link to post Share on other sites
YOT 3,743 Posted January 7, 2014 Report Share Posted January 7, 2014 So your a felon if you do nothing and just keep the firearms you already have. That is correct. Turns good, innocent, constitution loving, patriots into FELONS... with the stroke of a pen! From my understanding the charge will be a class A misdemeanor and the punishment levied will be confiscation of the weapon and loss of all firearms privileges. I will see if I can find where I read that later. On my way out right now. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
psl sniper 963 Posted January 7, 2014 Report Share Posted January 7, 2014 So... in the GLORIOUS state of NY... everyone knows Saiga's by NAME are being banned as assault weapons due to the detachable magazine. I am thinking... a thin 1/8" or so plate of steel WELDED to the bottom of the reciever means that a S-12 *MUST BE* loaded one round at a time, like a single shot. It will SELF EJECT of course... but is only a single shot firearm. That now allows that shotgun to no longer be classified as an "assault weapon" no matter the accessories, as it is a SINGLE SHOT firearm... EXEMPT from the UNCONSTITUTIONAL S.A.F.E. Act, and NO NEED to even WORRY about registration or what have you... take it anywhere and do anything I want, at the INVONVENIENCE of merely loading EVERY round by hand... as expensive as ammo is lately... I dont see any need to be blowing off 10 as fast as I can at nothing anyways!!! LOL! Am I correct in this or not??? OH... First post in this thread instructing me to move, etc... gets to go FIRST!!! Thoughts on my above "permanent" modifications? Likewise... ( and this is not the proper thread for THIS discussion... ) If I were to WELD a 20 rd. preban mag into the receiver of a saiga rifle... it no longer has a detachable magazine, and it too becomes EXEMPT from the SAFE act... yes?? no? SOUNDED GOOD to me, anyways!!! no offense indy, but what would be the point? you seriously need to move man, thats total b.s. . Quote Link to post Share on other sites
lbsrdi 1,078 Posted January 7, 2014 Report Share Posted January 7, 2014 (edited) If I lived in any of these states and had any friends or family that voted democrat, I would cut off all ties with them. They are either intentionally or ignorantly voting to make you less safe and less free. I am just about sick of these idiots. The republicans are currupt but at least they have still some respect for our second amendment protected freedoms. Edited January 8, 2014 by K.o.t.H. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
YOT 3,743 Posted January 8, 2014 Report Share Posted January 8, 2014 (edited) So your a felon if you do nothing and just keep the firearms you already have. That is correct. Turns good, innocent, constitution loving, patriots into FELONS... with the stroke of a pen! From my understanding the charge will be a class A misdemeanor and the punishment levied will be confiscation of the weapon and loss of all firearms privileges. I will see if I can find where I read that later. On my way out right now. Part of that is actually right on the NYSafeAct web page.... Q: What happens if I fail to register my weapon by the deadline? A: Failure to register an assault weapon by the deadline is punishable as a class A misdemeanor and forfeiture of the weapon. If failure to register is deemed to be unintentional, a 30-day amnesty period will be extended for purposes of registering the weapon. http://www.governor.ny.gov/nysafeact/gun-owners The rest I read on some "propaganda" page that I can't find again, but I know I read that you will lose all gun licenses and privileges. Edit to add: FORCED FORFEITURE IS CONFISCATION!! Edited January 8, 2014 by Yeoldetool Quote Link to post Share on other sites
brickfield mfg 86 Posted January 8, 2014 Report Share Posted January 8, 2014 (edited) I went through this kind of crap back in '89 in California. Had to get photographed and fingerprinted to re-register a rifle ("dreaded" AK) that was approved for importation into this country by the ATF, and legally purchased in that state some years earlier. This was AFTER I was given the wrong forms - multiple times - by various law enforcement agencies, and finally after multiple calls to the California Department Of Justice complaining that I was getting the runaround, was sent the right forms. THEN, I was sent paperwork telling me (in a handy booklet) what I could NOT do with the rifle - like up to a year in jail if I loaned it to a friend to use.... As soon as it was possible for me to leave and move to another state, I did! Sorry to rant here - but every time I see people having to go through this kind of thing it makes my blood boil! Edited January 8, 2014 by 7.62m43 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
CnRnut 3 Posted January 8, 2014 Report Share Posted January 8, 2014 (edited) Plug the gas ports, now it's no longer a semi-auto and you can have det. mags, folder, pistol grip....... Racking the carrier is better then single shot loading. Edited January 8, 2014 by CnRnut 2 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Billybobf 50 Posted January 8, 2014 Report Share Posted January 8, 2014 Plug the gas ports, now it's no longer a semi-auto and you can have det. mags, folder, pistol grip....... Racking the carrier is better then single shot loading. Kinda my thoughts, someone needs to make a press in shot glass shaped puck/piston It would not block the op rod from closing all the way, it would take more then just unscrewing the gas valve and dumping it out and flipping it backwards (although that might be a cool feature if legal) but would make it a bolt action for all intents. Press in that doesn't interfere is good for bolt only and more perm Flip able is cool cus you can swap it to use it in a legal area Quote Link to post Share on other sites
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