DLT 1,646 Posted May 31, 2013 Report Share Posted May 31, 2013 Had a root canal done yesterday. First time ever in my whole entire life that I see a dentist and have zero pain. I didn't even feel the injections to numb me. Procedure took about an hour. I kept waiting for the pain during the drilling and it never happened. A bad experience 20 years ago left me traumatized to see dentists, but this guy has totally reversed my thinking. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
NM0 586 Posted May 31, 2013 Report Share Posted May 31, 2013 Good for you. It's a totally different experience when you have a competent professional. We were fortunate to find a dentist that takes great pride in no pain. Even the hygienists there are very careful. I have had "other" experiences in the past too. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
DLT 1,646 Posted May 31, 2013 Author Report Share Posted May 31, 2013 I even asked the doc if the anesthetics had changed and he said no. It really is all about knowing what you are doing. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Sdustin 578 Posted May 31, 2013 Report Share Posted May 31, 2013 Laughing gas helps a much for me. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
thebuns1 4,323 Posted May 31, 2013 Report Share Posted May 31, 2013 Damn. I havent been to the dentist since I last had a tooth pulled. My teeth are fucked, and I dont have dental insurance, and that shit is insanely costly. Now I just been waitin until I need one pulled and just go pay to have it yanked out. They wanted 8k to do a bunch of shit I didnt even want the last time I went. I knew a dude that would pull his own with a pair of vice grips. lol. He'd get drunk and work it back n forth for an hour or so, then drink some liquor, then work on it some more, etc. I wont do that shit. Glad you had a good experience. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
U.S. Pratorean 1,234 Posted May 31, 2013 Report Share Posted May 31, 2013 (edited) It really is all about knowing what you are doing. +10,000. If you need anesthesia, you need someone who is trained in this. Dentist's and oral surgeons are not and you really take a huge risk by letting one administer Propofol /Diprivan to you. A universe of difference exists between a local anesthetic and a centrally acting agent. They are equally not trained in airway management and if they lose yours while you are unconscious which can easily happen..............well, just ask Michael Jackson. Just because you can't remember anything does not indicate you had a successful anesthetic it only means you were given an amnestic agent. Edited May 31, 2013 by U.S Praetorian Quote Link to post Share on other sites
storm6490 2,768 Posted May 31, 2013 Report Share Posted May 31, 2013 Glad you felt no pain! My wife swears by a Dr. here who uses lasers to work on teeth. I'll pass on the beams but she likes it and says there are no drugs used to do stuff. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
gunman1 1,753 Posted May 31, 2013 Report Share Posted May 31, 2013 My wife was antidenti until she met my dentist, same thing...no pain and the hygienists there are very careful. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Voltia 375 Posted May 31, 2013 Report Share Posted May 31, 2013 It really is all about knowing what you are doing. +10,000. If you need anesthesia, you need someone who is trained in this. Dentist's and oral surgeons are not and you really take a huge risk by letting one administer Propofol /Diprivan to you. A universe of difference exists between a local anesthetic and a centrally acting agent. They are equally not trained in airway management and if they lose yours while you are unconscious which can easily happen..............well, just ask Michael Jackson. Just because you can't remember anything does not indicate you had a successful anesthetic it only means you were given an amnestic agent. None of this is remotely true. Continuing education in order to keep your license requires yearly classes and certification in all the above. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
gunfun 3,931 Posted May 31, 2013 Report Share Posted May 31, 2013 I had a root canal today too. The procedure didn't hurt, except for the needle injecting the anesthetic. It's a shame to kill a tooth, but I don't have a choice since only half of it was left. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
U.S. Pratorean 1,234 Posted May 31, 2013 Report Share Posted May 31, 2013 It really is all about knowing what you are doing. +10,000. If you need anesthesia, you need someone who is trained in this. Dentist's and oral surgeons are not and you really take a huge risk by letting one administer Propofol /Diprivan to you. A universe of difference exists between a local anesthetic and a centrally acting agent. They are equally not trained in airway management and if they lose yours while you are unconscious which can easily happen..............well, just ask Michael Jackson. Just because you can't remember anything does not indicate you had a successful anesthetic it only means you were given an amnestic agent. None of this is remotely true. Continuing education in order to keep your license requires yearly classes and certification in all the above. Sorry, it most certainly is. CEU's and recert. have absolutely nothing to do with this. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
thebuns1 4,323 Posted May 31, 2013 Report Share Posted May 31, 2013 It really is all about knowing what you are doing. +10,000. If you need anesthesia, you need someone who is trained in this. Dentist's and oral surgeons are not and you really take a huge risk by letting one administer Propofol /Diprivan to you. A universe of difference exists between a local anesthetic and a centrally acting agent. They are equally not trained in airway management and if they lose yours while you are unconscious which can easily happen..............well, just ask Michael Jackson. Just because you can't remember anything does not indicate you had a successful anesthetic it only means you were given an amnestic agent. None of this is remotely true. Continuing education in order to keep your license requires yearly classes and certification in all the above. Is this why people hate going to the dentist? Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Voltia 375 Posted May 31, 2013 Report Share Posted May 31, 2013 It really is all about knowing what you are doing. +10,000. If you need anesthesia, you need someone who is trained in this. Dentist's and oral surgeons are not and you really take a huge risk by letting one administer Propofol /Diprivan to you. A universe of difference exists between a local anesthetic and a centrally acting agent. They are equally not trained in airway management and if they lose yours while you are unconscious which can easily happen..............well, just ask Michael Jackson. Just because you can't remember anything does not indicate you had a successful anesthetic it only means you were given an amnestic agent. None of this is remotely true. Continuing education in order to keep your license requires yearly classes and certification in all the above. Sorry, it most certainly is. CEU's and recert. have absolutely nothing to do with this. Think I'll call bullshit and ask you to cite your expertise. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
devildogdakota 804 Posted May 31, 2013 Report Share Posted May 31, 2013 (edited) I don't know about painless dentist's visits, but this doctor had a "First visit is free" thing going. Edited May 31, 2013 by fffpatriot 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
gunman1 1,753 Posted May 31, 2013 Report Share Posted May 31, 2013 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
U.S. Pratorean 1,234 Posted May 31, 2013 Report Share Posted May 31, 2013 It really is all about knowing what you are doing. +10,000. If you need anesthesia, you need someone who is trained in this. Dentist's and oral surgeons are not and you really take a huge risk by letting one administer Propofol /Diprivan to you. A universe of difference exists between a local anesthetic and a centrally acting agent. They are equally not trained in airway management and if they lose yours while you are unconscious which can easily happen..............well, just ask Michael Jackson. Just because you can't remember anything does not indicate you had a successful anesthetic it only means you were given an amnestic agent. None of this is remotely true. Continuing education in order to keep your license requires yearly classes and certification in all the above. Sorry, it most certainly is. CEU's and recert. have absolutely nothing to do with this. Think I'll call bullshit and ask you to cite your expertise. Practicing anesthesiologist for 25 years and you have been performing anesthetics on humans for how long?? 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
thebuns1 4,323 Posted June 1, 2013 Report Share Posted June 1, 2013 I don't know about painless dentist's visits, but this doctor had a "First visit is free" thing going. Nah, Kavorkian was actually helping folks IMO. It really is all about knowing what you are doing. +10,000. If you need anesthesia, you need someone who is trained in this. Dentist's and oral surgeons are not and you really take a huge risk by letting one administer Propofol /Diprivan to you. A universe of difference exists between a local anesthetic and a centrally acting agent. They are equally not trained in airway management and if they lose yours while you are unconscious which can easily happen..............well, just ask Michael Jackson. Just because you can't remember anything does not indicate you had a successful anesthetic it only means you were given an amnestic agent. None of this is remotely true. Continuing education in order to keep your license requires yearly classes and certification in all the above. Sorry, it most certainly is. CEU's and recert. have absolutely nothing to do with this. Think I'll call bullshit and ask you to cite your expertise. Practicing anesthesiologist for 25 years and you have been performing anesthetics on humans for how long?? +1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Voltia 375 Posted June 1, 2013 Report Share Posted June 1, 2013 I am not required to practice anesthesia to tell you you are wrong about dentistry. My old man has been a practicing dentist for 40 some years. I've hung the recertifications on his walls. Dentists are yearly required to continued education, and recert, on CPR, on defib use (which he has to have on site, unlike an MD), and on use of general anesthesia. Furthermore, oral surgeons, of which I happen to know a few, do their own general stuff as well as a matter of course, on a damn near daily basis. General dentists don't typically do general anesthesia, as they refer to specialist, typically, but there is one neat thing about dentistry I'll explain. The DDS degree is about all you need. The seven or eight master's degrees, which come AFTER the doctorate, are the specialties, and while recommended, are not required. So a general dentist has within his purview to do, let's see if I can remember them, oral surgery, pedodontics, endodontics, periodontics, orthodontics, prosthodontics, and the last one is public health. So, while I can respect your authority, in a hospital, with and as an MD, it's fairly obvious you don't know what a DDS is allowed and trained to do and not do. If you'd like more specifics, I can certainly put forth your questions to my old man, I'd appreciate it, and, as I am sure the dental community would as well, if you don't make comments about what a dentist is allowed to do and not, especially when they're not true. It would be like me pretending to know circuit building. I'm an engineer. I could probably BS the average dude into thinking I'm an electrical engineer, but I'm not, and it's important for me not to mislead people, ethically. Now engines, guns, HVAC, pumps; that's me. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Sdustin 578 Posted June 1, 2013 Report Share Posted June 1, 2013 Pumps? As in vacuum pump? Know anything about oilless pumps? We are changing them at work from stokes oil pumps to oilless. We have to pull down to 200 microns. Or .200mmhg or less on a 55 gallon vessel it can be a pian in the ass to track down a vaccum leak that small. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
U.S. Pratorean 1,234 Posted June 1, 2013 Report Share Posted June 1, 2013 This is the last I will comment on your ignorance. I am sorry you cannot stomach that I am afraid I very much do know what a DDS is and not allowed to do as well as oral surgeons. An oral surgeon is a physician and a DDS is not. The training is many, many years (academia and clinical exposure) in difference. I work in the OR with DDS (one is a good friend) and oral surgeons weekly because they CHOOSE not to do anesthesia at the same time they are trying to perform their job. DDS in some states can be allowed to provide general anesthesia after certain requirements are attained as can oral surgeons but this is akin to a surgeon removing your gallbladder while at the same time providing your anesthetic, possible and legal, regionally but highly not recommended. None, regardless of qualifications are allowed to perform this in an outpatient or inpatient facility where anesthesia services are provided. The accreditation boards at these facilities will not allow it. So they must function in an office setting and I have dealt with several "emergencies" brought by ambulance from an office that was inadequately prepared for such complications. I will not even go into airway complications, pediatric respiratory function (which is not like an adult) or the hundred other considerations that must be dealt with when administering intubated or non intubated general anesthesia as this is inappropriate here. So yeah, I do know what I'm talking about, I do know what a dentist can and cannot do related to anesthesia and I have not stated any falsehoods in relation to this matter. Many DDS are very skilled and will tell you they would rather have an anesthetist maintain their patient safely during their procedure and general dentistry rarely requires general anesthesia although there are some that do provide this service. Many have prescriptive authority to provide sedation which is a totally different realm and 99% of cases can be managed by this if need be and this appears top be what the OP received and it worked well for him as it does for most. Ultimately it is the patients decision but not one I could recommend concerning centrally acting injectable anesthetic agents. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
read_the_wall 614 Posted June 1, 2013 Report Share Posted June 1, 2013 (edited) I just went to an oral surgeon about a month ago for an extraction....He wanted to perform the anesthesia himself................for $500.00 extra.......... I said no. He said I should. I said no again. He said if it were him, he would do it. I said no again and told him he better do well with the shots because it was his fingers that were in my mouth ........ everything went fine,,,,,back on topic.....never had any pain at all.... Edited June 1, 2013 by read_the_wall Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Voltia 375 Posted June 1, 2013 Report Share Posted June 1, 2013 Monty, from what I understand, an oilless pump will give less performance, and require more maint, than oiled pumps, but are a lot better for not introducing oil into the shop atmosphere. Recommend you pressurize the 55 gallon drums slightly, then spray down with soapy water to check for leaks if they don't hold vacuum. Praetorian, my old man commented that I should respect and value the many years you went to school to learn to pass gas. His comments are that many oral surgeon programs now include MD degrees since they cover a lot of the same things, but a classic oral surgeon from the late 60s to early 80s, many of whom are now topping out at the height of their game, are simply Doctors of Dental Surgery. His comments on the anesthesia are that he does locals, general sedatives, nitrous, but would want a nurse anesthetist for a general anesthetic. His state doesn't require an anesthesiologist, but he'd take one if the setup were available. He comments that a general dentist office is not set up for general anesthesia, but many oral surgeon's offices are, and they retain a nurse anesthetist on staff for that reason. I don't like being called ignorant, so I'll pass on his last comment too. He commented that anesthesiology is kind of like radiology, where they're both sort of pud degrees as opposed to a doctor of surgery, either DDS or MD. Other than farting in your general direction, gas passer, I'm done here too. Peace. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
U.S. Pratorean 1,234 Posted June 1, 2013 Report Share Posted June 1, 2013 (edited) . I don't like being called ignorant I don't like being called a liar, sorry your butt hurt. meaning part of your(ownership) anatomy that obviously got reamed. Pay attention syntax Nazi. Edited June 3, 2013 by U.S Praetorian Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Syndicate 812 Posted June 1, 2013 Report Share Posted June 1, 2013 WHIP-IT RAP BATTLE! Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Voltia 375 Posted June 1, 2013 Report Share Posted June 1, 2013 . I don't like being called ignorant I don't like being called a liar, sorry your butt hurt. It's "you're" as in you are. Your is possession. I find it interesting that, when I present some facts, that you retreat from the argument and snipe simple comments. I will take that to mean you concede the debate. Good day. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
U.S. Pratorean 1,234 Posted June 2, 2013 Report Share Posted June 2, 2013 . I don't like being called ignorant I don't like being called a liar, sorry your butt hurt. It's "you're" as in you are. Your is possession. I find it interesting that, when I present some facts, that you retreat from the argument and snipe simple comments. I will take that to mean you concede the debate. Good day. 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Syndicate 812 Posted June 2, 2013 Report Share Posted June 2, 2013 . I don't like being called ignorant I don't like being called a liar, sorry your butt hurt. It's "you're" as in you are. Your is possession. I find it interesting that, when I present some facts, that you retreat from the argument and snipe simple comments. I will take that to mean you concede the debate. Good day. You took one out of my playbook bravo sir I still think you guys should gas up on whip-its and rap battle. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
jerry52 893 Posted June 2, 2013 Report Share Posted June 2, 2013 They told me son we are going to fill some small surface decays and fill them .You do not need anything for pain ,this will be quick..Two hours later he was done and so was I Still have not got my mind back and that was 40 years ago. Oh and he had bad breath too! Quote Link to post Share on other sites
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