BlueOvalBruin 0 Posted June 14, 2013 Report Share Posted June 14, 2013 So now that I have a new Firebird Akdal shotgun and a few 15rd mags (5rd mag with the Saiga mag extension) I need to figure out the best way to carry them with me in a 3gun stage. Are people using pouches (fabric or polymer) or clips on their belt (and if so which type?)? I would probably want to be able to carry 2 mags on my person besides the one in the gun. Thanks. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
AR-12 Shotgun 16 Posted June 14, 2013 Report Share Posted June 14, 2013 Most guys run coupled mags. It makes changes really quick. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
gose 17 Posted June 14, 2013 Report Share Posted June 14, 2013 On the belt for me. It just gets too unwieldy and heavy with coupled 15 rounders. When I only had 10s I ran them coupled, but now with the 15s it will be rare with more than one reload anyway. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Flatland Shooter 22 Posted June 14, 2013 Report Share Posted June 14, 2013 Currently playing around with home made clips on the 15 rd and 10 rd magazines. I'm trying one of each held to the belt with the shells up and one of each with the shells down. I made the clips out of 3/32" Kydex. Each piece is 3" x 6" so I get 8 clips from a 12" x 12" piece of Kydex. Heat in the oven at 325 degrees for several minutes and bend. Until I decide which way I like the mags oriented while on my belt, I'm just using black duct tape to hold them on. So far I like it so much that I'm going to give it a try on some Magpul mags for the AR. Bill Quote Link to post Share on other sites
compshootfl 40 Posted June 14, 2013 Report Share Posted June 14, 2013 (edited) Belt clips are what I have been using...no regrets yet. It is best to stagger the hights on the clips ( tallest in the rear, 2 clips max) Edited June 14, 2013 by compshootfl Quote Link to post Share on other sites
JeremyT 15 Posted June 14, 2013 Report Share Posted June 14, 2013 Here's what I'm running. I'm Using T&N coupled mags but I could do one for Firebird mags. http://forum.saiga-12.com/index.php?/topic/88112-my-new-kydex-dual-mag-carrier/ Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Flatland Shooter 22 Posted June 14, 2013 Report Share Posted June 14, 2013 Belt clips are what I have been using...no regrets yet. It is best to stagger the hights on the clips ( tallest in the rear, 2 clips max) Are you running them with the top of the magazine up or down? Thanks. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
BlueOvalBruin 0 Posted June 14, 2013 Author Report Share Posted June 14, 2013 I have 4 of the 15-rd mags. I’m thinking now I might put some kydex belt clips on 2 of them and then a coupler on the other 2. Firebird recommending not coupling the 15’s together because of potential problems with the mag catch but I wonder if I downloaded them to 12 each or 24 total (or some other number) it would be ok. Then I would have the option of using the arredondo coupler or another coupler system. Which coupler system would work best for grabbing onto the saiga12 component of the mags? I would have to use a shell stop of some sort. Where can I get one of those? The arredondo one probably wouldn’t work for the Akdal unless I glued it (I don’t feel comfortable drilling and tapping the upper receiver). Quote Link to post Share on other sites
compshootfl 40 Posted June 14, 2013 Report Share Posted June 14, 2013 (edited) Mine are faced down, with no problems. look at this post...#14 for what I am using. http://forum.saiga-12.com/index.php?/topic/87548-a-little-something-we-threw-together-for-3-gun/ Belt clips are what I have been using...no regrets yet. It is best to stagger the hights on the clips ( tallest in the rear, 2 clips max) Are you running them with the top of the magazine up or down? Thanks. Edited June 14, 2013 by compshootfl Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Flatland Shooter 22 Posted June 14, 2013 Report Share Posted June 14, 2013 I would have to use a shell stop of some sort. Where can I get one of those? Firebird offers one that looks like it attaches to the rail on top of the upper receiver. http://www.firebirdprecision.com/tac-12-magazines See the Firebird Tac-12 Shell Stop Quote Link to post Share on other sites
BlueOvalBruin 0 Posted June 14, 2013 Author Report Share Posted June 14, 2013 Hmm, sounds like I owe Nanci another call. Thanks. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
BlueOvalBruin 0 Posted June 14, 2013 Author Report Share Posted June 14, 2013 Also, instead of using a belt clip, has anyone glued a mag to either a safariland ELS clip or bladetech TMMS clip with the snap feature removed? That could be a slick setup for 3gun. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Flatland Shooter 22 Posted June 14, 2013 Report Share Posted June 14, 2013 Also, instead of using a belt clip, has anyone glued a mag to either a safariland ELS clip or bladetech TMMS clip with the snap feature removed? That could be a slick setup for 3gun. Correct me if I'm wrong, but that would only hook the mag over the outer belt. My clips go over both the inner and outer belt. Nice and secure and slides easily off the belt. Bill Quote Link to post Share on other sites
BlueOvalBruin 0 Posted June 15, 2013 Author Report Share Posted June 15, 2013 Correct, the mag would have the male portion of the ELS clip (with the snap removed) and it would go into the female portion which is rigidly attached to the outer belt only. It's a crazy idea and I don't know how well something like this would work. I think it would hold the mag securely but might bind when you pull it out on a reload. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
mjohn11 2 Posted June 15, 2013 Report Share Posted June 15, 2013 How about carrying 18-round mags? Yes, they do exist. The OEM 5-round, Salem6 10-round, OEM 10-round, Firebird F15 15-round, and Roulette Tactical 18-round Quote Link to post Share on other sites
toothandnail 275 Posted June 15, 2013 Report Share Posted June 15, 2013 Here's what I'm running. I'm Using T&N coupled mags but I could do one for Firebird mags. http://forum.saiga-12.com/index.php?/topic/88112-my-new-kydex-dual-mag-carrier/ posted this in the other thread , but, it NEEDS to be posted multiple times Tried them out today at CMMG, although I didn't need a reload out of it, no stage had a high enough Rd count. It works EXCELLENT , nice work Jeremy. Wore it ALL day, bending, walking, a LITTLE running, VERY NICE ! ! ! ! Quote Link to post Share on other sites
JeremyT 15 Posted June 16, 2013 Report Share Posted June 16, 2013 Great! That's what I like to hear. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Montana3gunner 13 Posted June 17, 2013 Report Share Posted June 17, 2013 See my solution on that same thread. Pretty similar to others for 10 rounders. I don't think kydex holsters is the way to go for the 15 rounders, too long. I think belt clips will be the way to go for the 15s. I am going to try carrying shells up. I wonder if trying to rotate a 15 rounder that is carried shells down wouldn't be too unwieldy. If you carry it shells up, I think it would be easier to grip and pull it straight up into the magwell. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Flatland Shooter 22 Posted June 17, 2013 Report Share Posted June 17, 2013 (edited) See my solution on that same thread. Pretty similar to others for 10 rounders. I don't think kydex holsters is the way to go for the 15 rounders, too long. I think belt clips will be the way to go for the 15s. I am going to try carrying shells up. I wonder if trying to rotate a 15 rounder that is carried shells down wouldn't be too unwieldy. If you carry it shells up, I think it would be easier to grip and pull it straight up into the magwell. I plan to carry the MKA magazines way back on my left hip behind the pistol magazine pouches. With the shells down, I can reach back and place my thumb on the rear of the magazine, pull upward and rotate the magazine to vertical as I move it to the gun. With the shells down, I can move a mag all the way to the small of the back and still get a good grasp on the magazine. With the shells up, I have to twist my hand clockwise to get a similar (but not quite as good) grip on the magazine. It also forces me to move the magazines forward on the belt which means removing one of the pistol mag pouches. Comparing the two, with the shells down,getting the magazine from the belt to the gun is more "natural" and in practice is slightly faster (typically under 2-1/4 seconds from shot to reload to shot). My concern with carrying the mags with the shells down was leaving a trail of 12 gauge rounds as I ran downrange. So far in practice that has not happened and others indicate they have done the same with no problems. I've also mounted the clips on a couple of AR Pmags but have not had a chance to try this out at the range. Using clips instead of mag pouches leaves a lot of real estate open on the belt. Bill Edited June 17, 2013 by Flatland Shooter Quote Link to post Share on other sites
compshootfl 40 Posted June 17, 2013 Report Share Posted June 17, 2013 Yup... Quote Link to post Share on other sites
gose 17 Posted June 17, 2013 Report Share Posted June 17, 2013 (edited) My concern with carrying the mags with the shells down was leaving a trail of 12 gauge rounds as I ran downrange. So far in practice that has not happened and others indicate they have done the same with no problems. Bill Im not worried about dropping shells when running, but rather sticking (or losing) the the top round into mud when kneeling, going prone, crawling, or some other crazy activity. Edited June 17, 2013 by gose Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Flatland Shooter 22 Posted June 17, 2013 Report Share Posted June 17, 2013 My concern with carrying the mags with the shells down was leaving a trail of 12 gauge rounds as I ran downrange. So far in practice that has not happened and others indicate they have done the same with no problems. Bill Im not worried about dropping shells when running, but rather sticking (or losing) the the top round into mud when kneeling, going prone, crawling, or some other crazy activity. We are in a drought so I've not seen mud in a while (but I don't miss it either). But I do see your point. However, going prone, crawling and some other crazy activities are no longer in my skill set (age 61 and counting). Quote Link to post Share on other sites
gose 17 Posted June 17, 2013 Report Share Posted June 17, 2013 My concern with carrying the mags with the shells down was leaving a trail of 12 gauge rounds as I ran downrange. So far in practice that has not happened and others indicate they have done the same with no problems. Bill Im not worried about dropping shells when running, but rather sticking (or losing) the the top round into mud when kneeling, going prone, crawling, or some other crazy activity. We are in a drought so I've not seen mud in a while (but I don't miss it either). But I do see your point. However, going prone, crawling and some other crazy activities are no longer in my skill set (age 61 and counting). Something like that might be slightly iffy rounds down... It was bad enough rounds up Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Flatland Shooter 22 Posted June 18, 2013 Report Share Posted June 18, 2013 My concern with carrying the mags with the shells down was leaving a trail of 12 gauge rounds as I ran downrange. So far in practice that has not happened and others indicate they have done the same with no problems. Bill Im not worried about dropping shells when running, but rather sticking (or losing) the the top round into mud when kneeling, going prone, crawling, or some other crazy activity. We are in a drought so I've not seen mud in a while (but I don't miss it either). But I do see your point. However, going prone, crawling and some other crazy activities are no longer in my skill set (age 61 and counting). Something like that might be slightly iffy rounds down... It was bad enough rounds up I ought to build one of those snow fence chicken coops for our monthy club match. Looks like a hoot. It'd more likely end up in a lynching. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
JeremyT 15 Posted June 18, 2013 Report Share Posted June 18, 2013 My concern with carrying the mags with the shells down was leaving a trail of 12 gauge rounds as I ran downrange. So far in practice that has not happened and others indicate they have done the same with no problems. Bill Im not worried about dropping shells when running, but rather sticking (or losing) the the top round into mud when kneeling, going prone, crawling, or some other crazy activity. We are in a drought so I've not seen mud in a while (but I don't miss it either). But I do see your point. However, going prone, crawling and some other crazy activities are no longer in my skill set (age 61 and counting). Something like that might be slightly iffy rounds down... It was bad enough rounds up That looks like a fun stage! Quote Link to post Share on other sites
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