Mountain Man 20 Posted June 25, 2013 Report Share Posted June 25, 2013 So I am getting to be a Vepr addict... I love my Vepr 12 and am looking to pick up 308, 223, & 7.62x39 models as well. Just a couple of questions I think I know the answers to but just need to make sure. Thanks! I am looking right now at the Square Back 308 model at Centerfire Systems and looking at this picture it seems like with out any modifications I can take off the thumb hole stock and do the following: Put on a RPK stock Put any AK compatible grip on it Does that sound right? Yes? No? Kind of? I know that I have to make 922r changes to use high capacity mags, easy peasy! But to actually get it to take 308 AK mags I need to: Install a bullet guide. (Which involves???) Opening up the mag opening Does that sound right? Yes? No? Kind of? Lastly I know there are some forum vendors Texas AK designs and others who have products to bastardize Saiga 223's, create mag-wells, and accept Pmags. My question is: Is there anyone out there or can anyone think of a way that there is any chance in hell of modding this to take SR25 type mags. I really do not care what it would cost. If I could get it to take 308 Pmags and X products 50 round drums I would pay an arms and a leg.Any thoughts? Or are there any other necessary mods to do to get this gun to function in a non-sporterized capacity? Thank you guys for taking the time to post on this topic, I really appreciate it!!! Quote Link to post Share on other sites
csspecs 1,987 Posted June 25, 2013 Report Share Posted June 25, 2013 It takes vepr .308 mags including the 20 round ones.. To make them fit, unwrap mag, and lock into rifle. No bullet guide, no grinding required. As for going to a different mag.. I have no ideas. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Mountain Man 20 Posted June 25, 2013 Author Report Share Posted June 25, 2013 It takes vepr .308 mags including the 20 round ones.. To make them fit, unwrap mag, and lock into rifle. No bullet guide, no grinding required. As for going to a different mag.. I have no ideas. It is nice to know there is a high capacity option that involves no modification, thanks! Anyone else on those previous points and questions? Quote Link to post Share on other sites
zagumennyyilya 51 Posted June 25, 2013 Report Share Posted June 25, 2013 you can put any ak type stock and pistol grip on the vepr without modification, so the rpk stock will work. 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
ShadowFire 220 Posted June 25, 2013 Report Share Posted June 25, 2013 (edited) For V2s like in your pic, you can get a polymer foregrip as well. (Ronin's Grips makes them) If you buy it, you have options. Edited June 25, 2013 by ShadowFire Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Mountain Man 20 Posted June 25, 2013 Author Report Share Posted June 25, 2013 (edited) you can put any ak type stock and pistol grip on the vepr without modification, so the rpk stock will work. Thanks! Thats what I needed to know! I just bit the bullet and picked up 308 and 223 squareback Vepr's I just could not wait. The only thing is, I wish it did not have the integrated sight. If anyone wants to swap a non-integrated gas block for the gas block with the integrated front sight let me know! Thanks again everyone for helping me out you put me over the edge Edited June 25, 2013 by Mountain Man Quote Link to post Share on other sites
ShadowFire 220 Posted June 26, 2013 Report Share Posted June 26, 2013 you can put any ak type stock and pistol grip on the vepr without modification, so the rpk stock will work. Thanks! Thats what I needed to know! I just bit the bullet and picked up 308 and 223 squareback Vepr's I just could not wait. The only thing is, I wish it did not have the integrated sight. If anyone wants to swap a non-integrated gas block for the gas block with the integrated front sight let me know! Thanks again everyone for helping me out you put me over the edge You can keep the integrated sight really. The big difference is the gas tube, the V2 gas tube is longer than the standard AK gas tube and the mechanism that helps you remove it is different as well as the rear sight. It's just a deal of pulling the block and setting it all up right to use a standard AK gas tube. Do that, you should be ok. You may or may not have to change out the gas piston, I dunno about that one but the piston might be longer to provide proper compression to cycle the action. I was actually pleasantly surprised as to how accurate the V2 iron sights are though. I'm actually glad I have a V2 personally. But I understand how you're bummed about it. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Mountain Man 20 Posted June 26, 2013 Author Report Share Posted June 26, 2013 you can put any ak type stock and pistol grip on the vepr without modification, so the rpk stock will work. Thanks! Thats what I needed to know! I just bit the bullet and picked up 308 and 223 squareback Vepr's I just could not wait. The only thing is, I wish it did not have the integrated sight. If anyone wants to swap a non-integrated gas block for the gas block with the integrated front sight let me know! Thanks again everyone for helping me out you put me over the edge You can keep the integrated sight really. The big difference is the gas tube, the V2 gas tube is longer than the standard AK gas tube and the mechanism that helps you remove it is different as well as the rear sight. It's just a deal of pulling the block and setting it all up right to use a standard AK gas tube. Do that, you should be ok. You may or may not have to change out the gas piston, I dunno about that one but the piston might be longer to provide proper compression to cycle the action. I was actually pleasantly surprised as to how accurate the V2 iron sights are though. I'm actually glad I have a V2 personally. But I understand how you're bummed about it. Thanks for the helpful response, I will definitely look into that. It is good to hear you like the sights that is something to look forward to as well. I shouldn't have used the word bummed out about the sights because I am REALLY excited about the new Vepr. But I guess in my mind I have always imagined a flat-top AK or something close to it, and I know options for Veprs are limited as far as hand guards, so I saw the integrated sight as a bit of a hindrance to making any of those modifications work, but it is good to hear positive reviews of them I am sure I will grow to like them as well. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Dracozny 11 Posted June 26, 2013 Report Share Posted June 26, 2013 alternatively if you want a longer sight radius you could just chop the front sight off the gas block (would require a tad bit of welding to make it look correct and then add on a proper FSB. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
ShadowFire 220 Posted June 27, 2013 Report Share Posted June 27, 2013 alternatively if you want a longer sight radius you could just chop the front sight off the gas block (would require a tad bit of welding to make it look correct and then add on a proper FSB. AK-74 style gasblock + AKM Front Sight Block. That way you don't have to chop the factory one. Pull the rear sight and mount, install standard rear sight mount and sight, insert standard AK gas tube, mount handguard rings to accept standard hand guards, mount your preferred handguard. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Dracozny 11 Posted June 27, 2013 Report Share Posted June 27, 2013 alternatively if you want a longer sight radius you could just chop the front sight off the gas block (would require a tad bit of welding to make it look correct and then add on a proper FSB. AK-74 style gasblock + AKM Front Sight Block. That way you don't have to chop the factory one. Pull the rear sight and mount, install standard rear sight mount and sight, insert standard AK gas tube, mount handguard rings to accept standard hand guards, mount your preferred handguard. I was under the assumption that the .308 barrel would be too thick to accommodate a AK-74 gasblock Quote Link to post Share on other sites
ShadowFire 220 Posted June 28, 2013 Report Share Posted June 28, 2013 Well the reason I mentioned it is that the modern AK with a 7.62 diameter (AK-103) uses the same style gas block. If it won't fit, you might wanna check to see if there will be enough material to open up the ID (Inner Diameter) safely to fit your barrel. Or there might be another one you can buy that is already made for the same diameter barrel. And make sure if you do open the ID up on one, that your taper on it is to specs, I'm not sure of the barrel taper so that's why I mention it. Parts must fit correctly. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Mountain Man 20 Posted June 28, 2013 Author Report Share Posted June 28, 2013 Well the reason I mentioned it is that the modern AK with a 7.62 diameter (AK-103) uses the same style gas block. If it won't fit, you might wanna check to see if there will be enough material to open up the ID (Inner Diameter) safely to fit your barrel. Or there might be another one you can buy that is already made for the same diameter barrel. And make sure if you do open the ID up on one, that your taper on it is to specs, I'm not sure of the barrel taper so that's why I mention it. Parts must fit correctly. Thanks for the tips, after thinking about the headache this will be I think I am going to learn to love the integrated sights Just need to find a modular rail system... I have gone through the usual suspects, I do want something aluminum with options for rails but most of them are so expensive and not really what I was looking for. I have looked at SGM, CSS, ATI, Ultimak, Midwest, Ronin, and all the standard type furniture but none of them really floated my boat. Damage Industries makes a Modular AK System and I am trying to see if I could modify it to work, fingers crossed! Anyone see any potenial problems? Here is a pic: I did not know if this was with the forum rules, I thought it would be okay since it is for reference and no link is included/tech question, thanks! Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Dracozny 11 Posted June 28, 2013 Report Share Posted June 28, 2013 (edited) Well the reason I mentioned it is that the modern AK with a 7.62 diameter (AK-103) uses the same style gas block. If it won't fit, you might wanna check to see if there will be enough material to open up the ID (Inner Diameter) safely to fit your barrel. Or there might be another one you can buy that is already made for the same diameter barrel. And make sure if you do open the ID up on one, that your taper on it is to specs, I'm not sure of the barrel taper so that's why I mention it. Parts must fit correctly. Thanks for the tips, after thinking about the headache this will be I think I am going to learn to love the integrated sights Just need to find a modular rail system... I have gone through the usual suspects, I do want something aluminum with options for rails but most of them are so expensive and not really what I was looking for. I have looked at SGM, CSS, ATI, Ultimak, Midwest, Ronin, and all the standard type furniture but none of them really floated my boat. Damage Industries makes a Modular AK System and I am trying to see if I could modify it to work, fingers crossed! Anyone see any potenial problems? Here is a pic: DMG.jpg I did not know if this was with the forum rules, I thought it would be okay since it is for reference and no link is included/tech question, thanks! yup totally against the rules in all seriousness that thing... well to me its an abomination, but on top of that it makes things much harder to clean when you need to do so. I absolutely hate a weapon that requires a toolbox to field strip it. To me that defies the term "field strip". Out of the box you can remove the gas tube with no tools at all, that thing requires an Alan wrench. Do you really need to mall ninja it up with a quad rail? My personal opinions aside its your weapon your choice. Edited June 28, 2013 by Dracozny Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Mountain Man 20 Posted June 28, 2013 Author Report Share Posted June 28, 2013 (edited) Well the reason I mentioned it is that the modern AK with a 7.62 diameter (AK-103) uses the same style gas block. If it won't fit, you might wanna check to see if there will be enough material to open up the ID (Inner Diameter) safely to fit your barrel. Or there might be another one you can buy that is already made for the same diameter barrel. And make sure if you do open the ID up on one, that your taper on it is to specs, I'm not sure of the barrel taper so that's why I mention it. Parts must fit correctly. Thanks for the tips, after thinking about the headache this will be I think I am going to learn to love the integrated sights Just need to find a modular rail system... I have gone through the usual suspects, I do want something aluminum with options for rails but most of them are so expensive and not really what I was looking for. I have looked at SGM, CSS, ATI, Ultimak, Midwest, Ronin, and all the standard type furniture but none of them really floated my boat. Damage Industries makes a Modular AK System and I am trying to see if I could modify it to work, fingers crossed! Anyone see any potenial problems? Here is a pic: I did not know if this was with the forum rules, I thought it would be okay since it is for reference and no link is included/tech question, thanks! yup totally against the rules in all seriousness that thing... well to me its an abomination, but on top of that it makes things much harder to clean when you need to do so. I absolutely hate a weapon that requires a toolbox to field strip it. To me that defies the term "field strip". Out of the box you can remove the gas tube with no tools at all, that thing requires an Alan wrench. Do you really need to mall ninja it up with a quad rail? My personal opinions aside its your weapon your choice. Mall Ninja it up, ouch, your words cut deep I actually think the lines are really clean, but your point is taken on being field strip able. I love abominations, bastards, freaks and despise the idea of proper, correct, original; that's just how I roll. As soon as they are available I am going to have the TAKD Bastard w/ LBHO put on both of mine, then have AR safeties installed, I will make sure to post pics for you to enjoy Edited June 28, 2013 by Mountain Man Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Dracozny 11 Posted June 28, 2013 Report Share Posted June 28, 2013 (edited) ROFL, don't get me wrong things like bolt hold opens and such I have no issues with , I just find quad rails to be excessively ridiculous. there is functionally useful, and then there is tactically superfluous. Edited June 28, 2013 by Dracozny Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Mountain Man 20 Posted June 28, 2013 Author Report Share Posted June 28, 2013 ROFL, don't get me wrong things like bolt hold opens and such I have no issues with , I just find quad rails to be excessively ridiculous. there is functionally useful, and then there is tactically superfluous. In general I find the same to be true. What I do like is a top rail for optics with modular sides, so I have the option to add a rail section if I wanted to put something on. I guess I would not ever put a flashlight or laser on at most maybe a Magpul AFG so in essence I agree with your statement. The market is kind of all or nothing wither you see these full on quad rails or vented competition style hand guards neither of which I like. Damage said this would not it anyways but they are working on variations, alas the search continues... Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Dracozny 11 Posted June 28, 2013 Report Share Posted June 28, 2013 ROFL, don't get me wrong things like bolt hold opens and such I have no issues with , I just find quad rails to be excessively ridiculous. there is functionally useful, and then there is tactically superfluous. In general I find the same to be true. What I do like is a top rail for optics with modular sides, so I have the option to add a rail section if I wanted to put something on. I guess I would not ever put a flashlight or laser on at most maybe a Magpul AFG so in essence I agree with your statement. The market is kind of all or nothing wither you see these full on quad rails or vented competition style hand guards neither of which I like. Damage said this would not it anyways but they are working on variations, alas the search continues... I can relate, my FCG for my Super I had to do myself by modifying a RedStar Arms adjustable to fit. I want an alternative stock to that weapon, guess what designing my own. don't ask what i have spent on materials and tooling for that.... atm trying to come up with a bipod solution. guessing by what I have going on so far I will probably be building that my own way as well. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
ShadowFire 220 Posted June 29, 2013 Report Share Posted June 29, 2013 ROFL, don't get me wrong things like bolt hold opens and such I have no issues with , I just find quad rails to be excessively ridiculous. there is functionally useful, and then there is tactically superfluous. In general I find the same to be true. What I do like is a top rail for optics with modular sides, so I have the option to add a rail section if I wanted to put something on. I guess I would not ever put a flashlight or laser on at most maybe a Magpul AFG so in essence I agree with your statement. The market is kind of all or nothing wither you see these full on quad rails or vented competition style hand guards neither of which I like. Damage said this would not it anyways but they are working on variations, alas the search continues... I've done a little bit of everything really. I've done a modernization of sorts, a classic look and the battle rifle style too. My modernized one is for HD, so yes it does have a rail handguard with a stubby vfg, and a mounted flashlight plus a sling. But then again it's for HD. People have gone overboard with what is and is not tacticool. What is and was tacticool by original definition is a gun with an RIS with a ton of accessories mounted on it. If you have a VFG and a light on it plus maybe an optic and it's your HD, It is not tacticool, all your stuff is on it for a purpose and you didn't turn your HD gun into a brick that flings projectiles. Now if it's a range toy and you have a flashlight? That's another matter. lol It serves no purpose in broad daylight and adds weight for no good reason. That starts the process of leaning toward tacticool. So he wants a rail on his rifle, so what? You can do it without being tacticool. My Quote Link to post Share on other sites
zagumennyyilya 51 Posted June 29, 2013 Report Share Posted June 29, 2013 Tactically and all things aside, if you have the integrated sights version of the vepr, you will not br able to use that quad rail, from the looks of it, the gas tube is part of the quad rail and the version 2 vepr uses a different gas tube setup. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Sirex 34 Posted June 29, 2013 Report Share Posted June 29, 2013 (edited) I HAD a 7.62x54r Vepr, but sold it becuase I didn't like the mags or integrated sights. They have a short sight radius and only flip from 100 to 300 meters. I bought a Vepr .308 with a 16'' bbl, and has a slant back receiver, but I am keeping the wood stock. Mine has the standard AK sights, up to 1000 meters, and is a pretty slick heavy duty rifle. Alos have my side mount for a scope. I have some 20rd Promag and CSS mags. Oddly the Promags seem to lock up tighter in mine with no wobble, both are metal not plastic, but the CSS ones are built like a tank. If you run outta ammo you can beat someone to death with them. Both run fine. I just really miss the cheap $8/20rd box of Tula .308 Walmart used to sell. Not the greatest, but good for killing paper and time. Edited June 29, 2013 by Sirex Quote Link to post Share on other sites
LuPiN8oR 333 Posted June 29, 2013 Report Share Posted June 29, 2013 Its pretty easy to add a moe rail to a stock handguard, thats what i did to add a stronger sling attachment point on my saiga 308, pretty sure theres enough room to situate a bipod on it as well. I wouldnt think doing that to a vepr would be any more difficult. Its a much lighter option than a quad rail as well and doesnt scream tacticool lol! Quote Link to post Share on other sites
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