Turbo.M777 11 Posted June 28, 2013 Report Share Posted June 28, 2013 Searching on the forum, I found a couple threads about side mounts on rifles, but not so much for the shotties. I think I'm gonna try one out. Any of you guys use one on your S12? It looks like the RS regulate, Kalinka BP-02, and the Kvar 04 are popular for the rifles. How are they on a shotgun? Also, I've never handled a saiga rifle. Is the receiver more narrow than that of an S12? If so, does that make these mounts sit a little funky on an S12? Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Spacehog 2,218 Posted June 28, 2013 Report Share Posted June 28, 2013 After reading your other thread on the Chaos Titan, you and others may or may not like my recommendation, but I have used the UTG low profile mount on both my S-12 and 7.62 with no problems. The mount sits center line to the bore and holds zero with removal and reinstallation. I do not use it anymore because I have the Chaos Titan on my S12 and the TWS Dogleg on my 7.62, but I had no issues with the mount itself on either platform. With that said, I would not suspect that you would have any issues with the other mounts you listed between the shottie and rifle. The side mounts are the same dimmensions on both. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
gunfun 3,931 Posted June 28, 2013 Report Share Posted June 28, 2013 Look for something light and low. Also, I would suggest getting one with integral rings rather than weaver rail plus rings. That adds cost weight and height. If you have the cash, the kalinka ones are nice, RS seems to be the cleanest. Also midwest industries or the KVAR "something or other 04" Quote Link to post Share on other sites
heartless-1 1 Posted June 28, 2013 Report Share Posted June 28, 2013 I have a Pk01v sidemount from kalinka. its not bad but it doesn't have a stop for our side rails(easily fixed). It holds its zero perfectly after the stop is added on & can take the abuse. I wouldn't buy from Kalinka optics though, they have a f@cked up way of treating they're customers including me. They only gave me 4 out of the 6 screws needed for the mount Quote Link to post Share on other sites
ResponsiveResolve 7 Posted June 28, 2013 Report Share Posted June 28, 2013 I recently purchased the RS regulate -AKML side mount. I also purchased a vortex sparc. I had hopes of using this on my M10 762 but the rail is mounted higher on the M10 762 than a standard AK so I just have been using it on my S12. (RS regulate is introducing a rail mount for the M10 very soon- AK-310. If I get one I will probably use the sparc with the M10 and just pick up a primary arms red dot for the S12.) I really like the AKML it is very stream-lined and light. AKML's are being phased out for the more modular 300 system. Seems to hold Zero...haven't ran slugs yet, just some low brass and high brass. (still working out my gas port issues) Quote Link to post Share on other sites
SUGARLOAFER 0 Posted June 28, 2013 Report Share Posted June 28, 2013 Pics please guys of different setups if you have one? Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Turbo.M777 11 Posted June 28, 2013 Author Report Share Posted June 28, 2013 Pics please guys of different setups if you have one? YES! That would be magnificent Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Terminator03 18 Posted June 28, 2013 Report Share Posted June 28, 2013 I recently purchased the RS regulate -AKML side mount. I also purchased a vortex sparc. I had hopes of using this on my M10 762 but the rail is mounted higher on the M10 762 than a standard AK so I just have been using it on my S12. (RS regulate is introducing a rail mount for the M10 very soon- AK-310. If I get one I will probably use the sparc with the M10 and just pick up a primary arms red dot for the S12.) I really like the AKML it is very stream-lined and light. AKML's are being phased out for the more modular 300 system. Seems to hold Zero...haven't ran slugs yet, just some low brass and high brass. (still working out my gas port issues) That is good info since I also have an M10 and noticed that the standard side mount sits higher on that. I was actually considering cutting the side mount in half and re-welding it back together at a lower height. Now I will just wait until RS comes out with that 310 mount. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Trespasser 7 Posted June 28, 2013 Report Share Posted June 28, 2013 On my S12, I have an el cheapo side rail with some minor modifications to make it hold up to the abuse. I milled off the extra rail material to save weight, replaced the roll pin with a hardened steel dowel pin, and tightened the screw to the point where it barely slides over the rail with the lever fully released. After the modifications, it holds up well. The original roll pin did not have much engagement to the side rail. Not only did the roll pin get beat up, the rear corner of the side rail was starting to deform as well. The new dowel pin took care of that. I pressed the dowel pin so that it barely clears the rivet on the side rail for maximum engagement. I originally had a UTG double rail side mount. It had engagement problems too and was getting beat up at the tip of the stop. However, it did not have enough material at the end to add a dowel pin. Quick note: The PK-AS is relatively heavy. This puts an extra beating on the side mount. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
gunfun 3,931 Posted June 28, 2013 Report Share Posted June 28, 2013 Love the scope. Simmons prodiamond reticle shotgun scopewith smooth zoom from 1.5-5X 5" eye releif. http://forum.saiga-12.com/uploads/gallery/gallery/album_1097/gallery_17871_1097_1988188.jpg Gallery:http://forum.saiga-12.com/index.php?/gallery/album/1097-sights-green-laser-scope/ Don't buy this Guntec USA mount. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Turbo.M777 11 Posted June 28, 2013 Author Report Share Posted June 28, 2013 Do any of these mounts allow you to field strip without removing the mount? Quote Link to post Share on other sites
filthygovemploye 64 Posted June 29, 2013 Report Share Posted June 29, 2013 Do any of these mounts allow you to field strip without removing the mount? should be able to.... if ya push the detent down and recoil spring fwd, it will allow the top cover to just slide out to the rear... not sure on bolt.... hmmmm Quote Link to post Share on other sites
gunfun 3,931 Posted June 29, 2013 Report Share Posted June 29, 2013 Do any of these mounts allow you to field strip without removing the mount? YOu can, but the ones with QD lever work well, so why not get it out of the way? Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Turbo.M777 11 Posted June 29, 2013 Author Report Share Posted June 29, 2013 I started to lean toward the RS regulate one for $120 bucks even though its more pricey, then I found out you need an add-on depending on the optic for another $60. Yikes. 60 is a little pricey for that tiny picitanny piece. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
gunfun 3,931 Posted June 29, 2013 Report Share Posted June 29, 2013 Midwest industries one is very nice. Use with the lowest rings your scope will allow and you should have a good cheek weld with a standard stock. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
ResponsiveResolve 7 Posted June 30, 2013 Report Share Posted June 30, 2013 I started to lean toward the RS regulate one for $120 bucks even though its more pricey, then I found out you need an add-on depending on the optic for another $60. Yikes. 60 is a little pricey for that tiny picitanny piece. That is why I ordered the older gen AKML as I knew I could chose between an Aimpoint/Vortex Sparc/ Primary arms red dot. I was able to get free shipping with it as well. The newer 300 system is nice and modular but pricey. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Turbo.M777 11 Posted June 30, 2013 Author Report Share Posted June 30, 2013 (edited) After reading your other thread on the Chaos Titan, you and others may or may not like my recommendation, but I have used the UTG low profile mount on both my S-12 and 7.62 with no problems. The mount sits center line to the bore and holds zero with removal and reinstallation. I do not use it anymore because I have the Chaos Titan on my S12 and the TWS Dogleg on my 7.62, but I had no issues with the mount itself on either platform. With that said, I would not suspect that you would have any issues with the other mounts you listed between the shottie and rifle. The side mounts are the same dimmensions on both. Yeah I've heard the UTG side mount isn't bad and holds a zero. They sell it at Carolina Shooter Supply, and they don't carry shitty stuff as far as I can tell, but I guess I have a bias against anything UTG due to all the bad vibes about them from the forum I just went ahead and got the Midwest Industries AKSM on ebay. I would have preferred the RS Regulate setup, as it looks slick and more lightweight, but the price difference was a little too much for me to go for that one instead. I'm excited to try this thing! I'll post pics when it gets here. Edited June 30, 2013 by Turbo.M777 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
gunfun 3,931 Posted July 1, 2013 Report Share Posted July 1, 2013 Main problem with UTG is it is very tall and heavy for no reason. If UTG made a short rail, then ... Quote Link to post Share on other sites
shifty_85 20 Posted July 1, 2013 Report Share Posted July 1, 2013 (edited) This is what i use. http://www.amazon.com/UTG-MNT973-Mount-Double-Rails/dp/B001BR4VQU With all the 12 gauge rounds i have fired since putting that on and this scope it has never EVER come loose and i also put a sling point on the side one and use a single point in 3 gun. scope is a UTG SCP3-1424CDQ 1-4X24 4.5" long eye relief and i love it! Edited July 1, 2013 by shifty_85 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Turbo.M777 11 Posted July 8, 2013 Author Report Share Posted July 8, 2013 Got my mount! I like it. Very low profile, and the groove in the rail allows use of the iron sights. Pretty happy with my decision to go with the Midwest mount as of now! It looks badass! 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
shifty_85 20 Posted July 9, 2013 Report Share Posted July 9, 2013 looking good man that thing is super low! with my UTG i can almost see the iron sights under it. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
gunfun 3,931 Posted July 9, 2013 Report Share Posted July 9, 2013 Those are some of the best looking to me. I keep speculating about whether it would be OK to cut out the middle two spokes of that mount for weight. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Turbo.M777 11 Posted July 9, 2013 Author Report Share Posted July 9, 2013 looking good man that thing is super low! with my UTG i can almost see the iron sights under it. Thanks man! Yeah I didn't realize it would sit so low til I got it. It was a nice surprise how well it cooperates with the CSS iron sights Those are some of the best looking to me. I keep speculating about whether it would be OK to cut out the middle two spokes of that mount for weight. I kinda like the look of em! I couldnt see myself cutting them out. Seems like it might still function alright if you did though. The metals pretty thick and seems strong where it joins into the rail Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Spacehog 2,218 Posted July 9, 2013 Report Share Posted July 9, 2013 Very nice Turbo. I love how low that mount is. Much better than the UTG. Good luck with it and thanks for posting the pics of the mount. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Molotov Cocktail 9 Posted July 9, 2013 Report Share Posted July 9, 2013 On my S12, I have an el cheapo side rail with some minor modifications to make it hold up to the abuse. I milled off the extra rail material to save weight, replaced the roll pin with a hardened steel dowel pin, and tightened the screw to the point where it barely slides over the rail with the lever fully released. After the modifications, it holds up well. The original roll pin did not have much engagement to the side rail. Not only did the roll pin get beat up, the rear corner of the side rail was starting to deform as well. The new dowel pin took care of that. I pressed the dowel pin so that it barely clears the rivet on the side rail for maximum engagement. I originally had a UTG double rail side mount. It had engagement problems too and was getting beat up at the tip of the stop. However, it did not have enough material at the end to add a dowel pin. Quick note: The PK-AS is relatively heavy. This puts an extra beating on the side mount. I have the same one and I think its great. Its solid. I have a Bushnell red dot on it. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
shifty_85 20 Posted July 9, 2013 Report Share Posted July 9, 2013 does it just mount with that one screw? thats the thing i love about my UTG it has 3 screws with lock washers on them. the mount it self has never EVER loosen up on me after quite a few rounds through it. i like the fact it sits up a little bit on the UTG the OP's mount looks like it would be good to co-witness with the front sight. i wouldnt think those 2 bars would cut down on the weight enough for the effort of cutting them out. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
gunfun 3,931 Posted July 10, 2013 Report Share Posted July 10, 2013 Not a screw. It has a self centering QD clamp, the way the Russian side rail system was designed.Most of them cam from the side, but MI uses the bottom. UTG set screw type lacks the self aligning property. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Lidocaine Looney 26 Posted July 11, 2013 Report Share Posted July 11, 2013 MI side rail mount looks great. I have their quad rail on my 7.62. They make good stuff. If I didn't have side mount optics, I'd definitely pick one up. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Capt Nemo 882 Posted July 20, 2013 Report Share Posted July 20, 2013 I have one of the UTG PRO side mounts. It was about $20 more than the non-US made version from UTG. The only UTG part I don't like is the green laser (~ $100). Thing can't take the recoil and keeps moving all over the place. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
supertex 242 Posted July 20, 2013 Report Share Posted July 20, 2013 I have one of the UTG PRO side mounts. It was about $20 more than the non-US made version from UTG. The only UTG part I don't like is the green laser (~ $100). Thing can't take the recoil and keeps moving all over the place. Is the UTG PRO lower than the regular UTG QD mount? Quote Link to post Share on other sites
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