rnemhrd 165 Posted July 26, 2013 Report Share Posted July 26, 2013 (edited) George says it all http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6nSKkwzwdW4 Edited July 26, 2013 by rnemhrd Quote Link to post Share on other sites
gunfun 3,930 Posted July 26, 2013 Report Share Posted July 26, 2013 Hopefully they live up to all expectations. The first batch of test models which are at heat treat/metal finishing are hand cut parts rather then laser cut. They all fit our test shotgun with good lock up. Hand cut parts are about three weeks faster for prototypes but they can have occasional deviations. Odds are one or two samples is going to have an issue. Average part deviation was .008 but it compounded to .03 on some of the samples, the computer design shows that to still work but testing will answer what actually happens. I still have to go through my list of testers from way back, I have not emailed anyone yet. I'm probably going to get a feeler gauge caliper and file to send along with each sample. My testing showed that harder shells did best(fed bulk rem game loads), soft shells worked for two cycles on average(Winchester bulk). Our tests show that our follower design gave 30% less resistance to upward travel which may mean a shorter or softer spring would do better. High speed video will answer that once I get a finished sample in hand. It appears that the lack of resistance on the follower allows the rounds to rise rapidly causing them to impact the bottom of the bolt somewhat hard. This impacting flattens the front of the round remaining in the mag and lowers the feed angle of each following round. I'm probably going to send three springs of different lengths as well to zero in on best function. Thanks for the info. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Bayoupiper 738 Posted July 26, 2013 Report Share Posted July 26, 2013 Csspec or Chaos. I'll take them both! Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Jpanzer 1,265 Posted July 26, 2013 Report Share Posted July 26, 2013 Great news! Haven't been focusing on S12 developments lately, as I figured there wasn't any new ones. Love to see one of these firsthand! Quote Link to post Share on other sites
lbsrdi 1,078 Posted July 29, 2013 Report Share Posted July 29, 2013 I think some of the lack of activity in this thread can be attributed to the lack of activity in this entire sub-forum. (Saiga 12). This section used to be popping all day and night, now there are very few posts in this section. Please don't let my comments get this thread off subject, I am only adding my opinion to the previously referred to comments on activity level of this thread. Carry on.. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Deadeye 325 Posted July 29, 2013 Report Share Posted July 29, 2013 summer time people aren't as bored 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Pro2A 17 Posted July 30, 2013 Report Share Posted July 30, 2013 summer time people aren't as bored +1 on that Vacations do have an effect Quote Link to post Share on other sites
jamesavery22 54 Posted July 31, 2013 Report Share Posted July 31, 2013 Well whenever they are available I'm in for 3. Only real aspect of the S12 platform I could ever complain about. The lack of quality mags over 5 rounds. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
csspecs 1,987 Posted August 1, 2013 Author Report Share Posted August 1, 2013 I'll have them in hand in a few days. I'll record a few test firings and send them on to testers.. Which I still need to pick out. 2 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
haugpatr 972 Posted August 1, 2013 Report Share Posted August 1, 2013 I'll have them in hand in a few days. I'll record a few test firings and send them on to testers.. Which I still need to pick out. I would love to be a tester as I am sure everyone else would, but if I can help, please let me know. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Skitterfish 10 Posted August 1, 2013 Report Share Posted August 1, 2013 I would be very intrested in a preorder on this product. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Deadeye 325 Posted August 3, 2013 Report Share Posted August 3, 2013 I'll have them in hand in a few days. I'll record a few test firings and send them on to testers.. Which I still need to pick out. pick me pick me pick me Quote Link to post Share on other sites
csspecs 1,987 Posted August 6, 2013 Author Report Share Posted August 6, 2013 Alrighty, have 11 in hand with a finish.. Heat treat/ Metal finisher was experimenting with them a little, so a few parts got heat distortion and had to get straightened. I still need to test fire them, and take measurements before sending them out. 3 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Skitterfish 10 Posted August 6, 2013 Report Share Posted August 6, 2013 Outstanding! I can't wait to hear the results of the testing! Quote Link to post Share on other sites
TonyRumore 1,329 Posted August 6, 2013 Report Share Posted August 6, 2013 If you want them test fit in a pile of guns, I have about 50 S-12's in the shop at the moment. Unfortunately, I don't have time to get out and test fire them a bunch. Tony Rumore Tromix 3 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
SwissyJim 117 Posted August 6, 2013 Report Share Posted August 6, 2013 If you want them test fit in a pile of guns, I have about 50 S-12's in the shop at the moment. Unfortunately, I don't have time to get out and test fire them a bunch. Tony Rumore Tromix ROADTRIP! 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Penguin_Rapist_Lv.48 3 Posted August 7, 2013 Report Share Posted August 7, 2013 I've been patientley waiting five long years for these to hit the market. I'll take five as soon as they hit CSS. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
scoutjoe 273 Posted August 8, 2013 Report Share Posted August 8, 2013 Me and the guys can't go to the club and try them out (7 guns between us) I'd get accused of having a machine gun again Quote Link to post Share on other sites
csspecs 1,987 Posted August 8, 2013 Author Report Share Posted August 8, 2013 If you want them test fit in a pile of guns, I have about 50 S-12's in the shop at the moment. Unfortunately, I don't have time to get out and test fire them a bunch. Tony Rumore Tromix I'll take you up on that once I make corrections. Currently I already know I have to change something, so I don't want to waste your time. We did part of the test firing. One thing that happens now that they have a hard finish, is that the mag pops the magazine latch and falls out, I see the problem and it can be corrected on production models. We shot a bunch with them before sending them in and had no issues, but this needs to be fixed before sending off. We did observe them being hard to dent even when mostly full, falling roughly 5 feet onto rocks. One or two of the mag bodies may also have an error, so I may be down to 10 or fewer samples. I have a half dozen videos of mag dumps while holding the mag in, but I don't have an SD card reader in my new computer so that will have to wait until I get to walmart tonight (need ammo too). 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
gunfun 3,930 Posted August 8, 2013 Report Share Posted August 8, 2013 It's still progress. 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
lbsrdi 1,078 Posted August 8, 2013 Report Share Posted August 8, 2013 Progress indeed. Getting exciting. On a side note I have to say it is great the way CSSPECS has kept us up to date, and allowed us to be involved, on this and the .308 mag process. It is really cool to see how these projects progress from a customer want, to concept, to a finished product we can buy. Very cool. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
csspecs 1,987 Posted August 9, 2013 Author Report Share Posted August 9, 2013 Here is them with a finish.. I'll try to upload a video but my internet has been glitchy the last few days. 7 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Bayoupiper 738 Posted August 9, 2013 Report Share Posted August 9, 2013 Here is them with a finish.. I'll try to upload a video but my internet has been glitchy the last few days. CIMG1187.JPG CIMG1189.JPG I love good quality gun pron! Quote Link to post Share on other sites
lbsrdi 1,078 Posted August 10, 2013 Report Share Posted August 10, 2013 Ohh these are going to sell out quick!! Beautiful work. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Reverendfranz 160 Posted August 11, 2013 Report Share Posted August 11, 2013 Looks even better finished, cant wait to see one in person. Of course my offer to test one stands. I see much potential Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Spartacus 1,619 Posted August 11, 2013 Report Share Posted August 11, 2013 I think GunFun is right about most folks being ho-hum on new mag announcements for obvious reasons...... A pile of finished prototypes goes a long way to building interest though! Very nice! I have a mag budget that was set aside for DS mags...... That budget will go towards these mags now. 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
MS-12 4 Posted August 14, 2013 Report Share Posted August 14, 2013 Oh damn! Those look sexy I am defenitely in for some when ready. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
saltydecimator 482 Posted August 14, 2013 Report Share Posted August 14, 2013 (edited) who did ya get the springs from? and yea, those look bad ass! George says it all http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6nSKkwzwdW4 and the folks form super troopers Edited August 14, 2013 by saltydecimator Quote Link to post Share on other sites
scoutjoe 273 Posted August 14, 2013 Report Share Posted August 14, 2013 I like the clean look of them. I can see a couple of them depending on what they come in at. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
DavidQ 170 Posted August 14, 2013 Report Share Posted August 14, 2013 Almost has a Galil style to them. I like it. 2 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
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