redrocker35 9 Posted July 25, 2013 Report Share Posted July 25, 2013 Since this SAM7R was new, the 1st round has always had to be pushed back in after being pulled back. I keep it clean and use Breakfree CLP. Every other AK I have ever owned chambers easily, but I can't for the life of me figure out whats causing it. Any ideas would be greatly appreciated. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Shandlanos 1,470 Posted July 25, 2013 Report Share Posted July 25, 2013 What do you mean by "pushed back in after being pulled back"? I don't understand what you're describing. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
DLT 1,646 Posted July 25, 2013 Report Share Posted July 25, 2013 Chamber a new round then clear the chamber and inspect the round. Scratches should indicate the area of hangups. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
RobRez 1,895 Posted July 25, 2013 Report Share Posted July 25, 2013 What do you mean by "pushed back in after being pulled back"? I don't understand what you're describing.Ditto. Seems if you want something "pushed in" and then you "pull it out" you would need to Push it back in....WTF are you talking about??? Quote Link to post Share on other sites
mancat 2,368 Posted July 25, 2013 Report Share Posted July 25, 2013 Think he is saying the carrier hangs up when charging the first round. Are you being nice to the carrier, or are you letting it fly forward like it's supposed to? 2 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Lone Eagle 839 Posted July 25, 2013 Report Share Posted July 25, 2013 I had a Chinese 5 rounder that would do that on my Saiga. Try downloading the mag a couple of rounds. If it clears up, it's the mag spring is tired. I replaced the spring, and it cleared up. Worth a shot. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
DLT 1,646 Posted July 25, 2013 Report Share Posted July 25, 2013 Are you sure you aren't directing a porn flick? Quote Link to post Share on other sites
redrocker35 9 Posted July 26, 2013 Author Report Share Posted July 26, 2013 Chamber a new round then clear the chamber and inspect the round. Scratches should indicate the area of hangups. Think he is saying the carrier hangs up when charging the first round. Are you being nice to the carrier, or are you letting it fly forward like it's supposed to? I had a Chinese 5 rounder that would do that on my Saiga. Try downloading the mag a couple of rounds. If it clears up, it's the mag spring is tired. I replaced the spring, and it cleared up. Worth a shot lol, guess I had that coming, after reading what I posted, I guess it sort of sounded like I was directing porn about getting loaded & erectile dysfunction. Thankfully now I realize that my carrier hangs up when charging the first round, is a much more accurate way to describe my situation. I already see several helpful suggestions to help solve the hang up and will update once I get a chance to apply them, thanks again. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
jerry52 893 Posted July 27, 2013 Report Share Posted July 27, 2013 WHAT NO MOVIE? 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
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redrocker35 9 Posted July 29, 2013 Author Report Share Posted July 29, 2013 (edited) I had a Chinese 5 rounder that would do that on my Saiga. Try downloading the mag a couple of rounds. If it clears up, it's the mag spring is tired. I replaced the spring, and it cleared up. Worth a shot. Chamber a new round then clear the chamber and inspect the round. Scratches should indicate the area of hangups. I did notice that when my Circle10 40round was maxed, it hung up the worst... so loading 39 helped a bit. After chambering several rounds and ejecting them, I saw minor scuffs on the cartridges, but nothing abnormal. I took several pics of my hammer and carrier/bolt, give or take 1000 rounds has given em some wear, but I'm not sure how normal this amount is? I know this is likely a rookie inquiry, but if any and all feedback would be greatly appreciated. With your help & knowledge, SAM has come along way. Edited July 29, 2013 by redrocker35 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
mancat 2,368 Posted July 29, 2013 Report Share Posted July 29, 2013 Pics look fine. Are you letting the carrier fly forward under its full spring pressure, or are you pushing it forward by hand? Quote Link to post Share on other sites
redrocker35 9 Posted July 29, 2013 Author Report Share Posted July 29, 2013 (edited) Pics look fine. Are you letting the carrier fly forward under its full spring pressure, or are you pushing it forward by hand? Letting it fly when it wants to, pushing when it doesn't quite make it. I am being less gentle with it since I read your post, it helps too. Do you see the indentions in my hammer, what would you do with if yours looked this way? Edited July 29, 2013 by redrocker35 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
corbin 621 Posted July 29, 2013 Report Share Posted July 29, 2013 Do you see the indentions in my hammer, what would you do with if yours looked this way? Polish it smooth. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Shandlanos 1,470 Posted July 29, 2013 Report Share Posted July 29, 2013 It's clearly fucked beyond repair. Send me a PM, and I'll get you my FFL info so you can send it in for safe disposal. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
redrocker35 9 Posted July 29, 2013 Author Report Share Posted July 29, 2013 It's clearly fucked beyond repair. Send me a PM, and I'll get you my FFL info so you can send it in for safe disposal. hell, I have a couple, forward that FFL over and I will fedex ya one tomorrow, no problem... which one you want? Let me know if you need ammo too... 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
redrocker35 9 Posted July 29, 2013 Author Report Share Posted July 29, 2013 Do you see the indentions in my hammer, what would you do with if yours looked this way? Polish it smooth. Thanks, but using what, a dremil with stainless steel high luste poiish on a buffer wheel? 1600 sandpaper to de-burr maybe? mindful to polish and not remove? Quote Link to post Share on other sites
mancat 2,368 Posted July 29, 2013 Report Share Posted July 29, 2013 (edited) actually now that I look at it again, there are some parts of the hammer that look a little chunked. however this wouldn't cause a problem ONLY on the first round. might be easier to see if it's fucked up by removing the hammer and taking a better lit picture, but I doubt that's the problem. I have a Bulgarian hammer in my Saiga and it has worn to a very smooth polish all on its own.. but that is over the course of a couple thousand rounds. not sure how many yours has. Edited July 29, 2013 by mancat Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Shandlanos 1,470 Posted July 29, 2013 Report Share Posted July 29, 2013 Well, you could always remove the FCG and see if it still hangs up on anything. At least rule it out if it's isn't the problem.That said, it's probably something in the FCG. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
jerry52 893 Posted July 29, 2013 Report Share Posted July 29, 2013 Do you have a friend who has the same gun? If so try swapping carriages. Rails might be off Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Shandlanos 1,470 Posted July 29, 2013 Report Share Posted July 29, 2013 Should be able to drop any AK-47 or AKM carrier with a full-length piston right into it.I'm running a carrier for a milled gun in a stamped gun, and have done the opposite, without any issues. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Ruffian72 548 Posted July 29, 2013 Report Share Posted July 29, 2013 (edited) Looking at photos, lot of catching/snagging going on in that action. Picked up a used rifle that had issue you mention, carrier/bolt catching and pulling 1st few rounds back. When polishing take time and not too much off the hammer area that actually strikes firing pin. Wrong angle or too much and hammer wont (Slam) firing pin correctly, and then no bang. Looks like hammer just be smoothed. Polish bottom of carrier. Reason I love this sight is passing on of others mishaps. The one described is one I did. Solved one problem, created another after couple hundred rounds. Hammer wouldn't engage firing pin. Replaced hammer in trigger group, light polish, all is fine now. Edited July 29, 2013 by Ruffian72 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Rhodes1968 1,638 Posted July 29, 2013 Report Share Posted July 29, 2013 Seems I remember this and it was resolved by polishing the bolt. Doesnt take a lot but it does make a difference. Something I would do anyway now, maybe thats where the habit came from. 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
redrocker35 9 Posted July 30, 2013 Author Report Share Posted July 30, 2013 (edited) Its like speaking directly to the Gun Gods, thanks everyone for the info, these suggestions will move my firepower a little closer to the exceptional equipment that I'm sure that keep you and yours safe as well... I'll keep this updated as I take down and work at smoothing out the action.. Edited July 30, 2013 by redrocker35 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
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