JESS1344 508 Posted August 5, 2013 Report Share Posted August 5, 2013 GUYS, I'VE HAD THIS IDEA BOUNCING AROUND IN MY HEAD, FOR ABOUT A YEAR AND A HALF. "BOUNCED" IT OFF A FEW PEOPLE, BUT ABOUT ALL I GOT WERE SOME WEIRD LOOKS. FUCK THEM, I HATE UNIMAGINATIVE LUDDITES.............. OK, THIS IS SHOT AT NIGHT, UNDER BLACK LIGHT. THE CLAY BIRDS ARE SPRAYED WITH BLACK LIGHT LUMINOUS PAINT, OR IT CAN BE ADDED TO THE MIX, WHEN THEY'RE MADE; MAYBE IN DIFFERENT COLORS. YOU USE A LASER, YOUR CHOICE RED OR GREEN, TO TRACK THE BIRDS. IT'S LIKE A FIREWORKS SHOW, EVERYTIME ONE IS DUSTED. THE ONLY REQUIREMENT, IT MUST BE SHOT WITH AN S-12 (OR -20, OR -410). THERE ARE NO CLASSES, RUN-WHAT-YA-BRUNG, AS PLAIN, OR AS FANCY AS YA LIKE; IF YA CAN PICK IT UP AND SWING IT, YER IN. MAY CONSIDER SIDE MATCHES WITH OTHER, LESSER, SHOTGUNS, GIVEN SUFFICIENT TIME AFTER THE S-12'S ARE DONE, BUT THEY WILL NOT BE PERMITTED TO CONTAMINATE THE PURE SAIGA MATCHES. I FIRST CAME UP WITH THIS BACK WHEN THOSE COCKSUCKERS AT THE ATF WERE CONSIDERING BANNING IMPORTATION AND MODIFICATION OF THE SAIGAS (JAN-FEB 2012?) AND SAYING THEY HAD NO "SPORTING PURPOSE", BLAH-BLAH-BLAH.....FUCK THEM TOO! ALL THAT IN SPITE OF THEIR USE IN 3-GUN, HUNTING, ETC, ETC. WE WERE "SAVED", IF YOU'LL RECALL, BY THE BREAKING NEWS OF FAST AND FURIOUS; THE ATF WAS PISSIN' DOWN THEIR COLLECTIVE LEGS, AT THAT POINT, OVER F&F, AND DIDN'T WANT TO PUSH THEIR LUCK. I FIGURED THAT ONE MORE "LEGITIMATE SPORTING PURPOSE" FOR THE SAIGA'S COULDN'T HURT, AND WHO KNOWS, THE UNIQUENESS OF IT MIGHT CATCH-FIRE (NO-PUN..). I MEAN, IF PEOPLE CAN GET ALL WORKED UP OVER SHOOTING AT METAL CUT-OUTS OF ANIMALS AT RIDICULOUS PISTOL DISTANCES AND DRESS-UP LIKE 1800'S COWBOYS AND COWLADIES AND SHOOT OBSOLESCENT FIREARMS, THIS MAY JUST HAVE A CHANCE. (AND MY APOLOGIES TO THE ABOVE CITED SILHOUETTE AND COWBOY SHOOTERS). IDEAS, OPINIONS?? JESS1344 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
YOT 3,743 Posted August 5, 2013 Report Share Posted August 5, 2013 I think, if you have ever shot clays, you should understand "lead" and know that wouldn't work well with a laser. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Dad2142Dad 6,559 Posted August 5, 2013 Report Share Posted August 5, 2013 Guys, i've had this idea bouncing around in my head, for about a year and a half. "bounced" it off a few people, but about all i got were some weird looks. fuck them, i hate unimaginative luddites.............. ok, this is shot at night, under black light. the clay birds are sprayed with black light luminous paint, or it can be added to the mix, when they're made; maybe in different colors. you use a laser, your choice red or green, to track the birds. it's like a fireworks show, everytime one is dusted. the only requirement, it must be shot with an s-12 (or -20, or -410). there are no classes, run-what-ya-brung, as plain, or as fancy as ya like; if ya can pick it up and swing it, yer in. may consider side matches with other, lesser, shotguns, given sufficient time after the s-12's are done, but they will not be permitted to contaminate the pure saiga matches. i first came up with this back when those cocksuckers at the atf were considering banning importation and modification of the saigas (jan-feb 2012?) And saying they had no "sporting purpose", blah-blah-blah.....fuck them too! all that in spite of their use in 3-gun, hunting, etc, etc. we were "saved", if you'll recall, by the breaking news of fast and furious; the atf was pissin' down their collective legs, at that point, over f&f, and didn't want to push their luck. i figured that one more "legitimate sporting purpose" for the saiga's couldn't hurt, and who knows, the uniqueness of it might catch-fire (no-pun..). i mean, if people can get all worked up over shooting at metal cut-outs of animals at ridiculous pistol distances and dress-up like 1800's cowboys and cowladies and shoot obsolescent firearms, this may just have a chance. (and my apologies to the above cited silhouette and cowboy shooters). ideas, opinions?? JESS1344 Translated 5 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
gunfun 3,931 Posted August 5, 2013 Report Share Posted August 5, 2013 Control, shift and f3 do wonders! Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Rhodes1968 1,638 Posted August 5, 2013 Report Share Posted August 5, 2013 How about IR with heated clays? 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
DLT 1,646 Posted August 5, 2013 Report Share Posted August 5, 2013 Sounds like it would be fun to try. Just remember UV light is bad for the eyes. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
IndyArms 10,189 Posted August 5, 2013 Report Share Posted August 5, 2013 Ummm ... most clay birds are already flourescent orange... you would be wasting your time to paint them with flourescent paint, when they already are... If you shot clays, you would already know this... And a Question ... where you getting blacklights good enough for 30, 40, 50 yards?!!?? I dont think the tube ones would give you the range you would need at a typical trap field... Quote Link to post Share on other sites
JESS1344 508 Posted August 5, 2013 Author Report Share Posted August 5, 2013 (edited) I think, if you have ever shot clays, you should understand "lead" and know that wouldn't work well with a laser. YEOLDTOOL, ACTUALLY, I DIMLY SEEM TO REMEMBER BUSTING A CLAY OR TWO, AND RECALL THAT LEAD PART. AND I'M SERIOUS, IT'S BEEN SINCE THE EARLY-MID '80'S, OK? I'VE USED A LASER TOO, A LOT MORE RECENTLY. WITH THIS, YOU JUST EFFECTIVELY SUBSTITUTE THE LASER FOR THE IRON SIGHTS, RED DOT, OR WHATEVER. IN FACT, A SHOTGUN WITH NO SIGHTS, JUST THE LASER, WOULD BE PERFECT, IMHO. IT'D GO LIKE THIS: YOUR LASER IS ON, GET YOUR PROPER STANCE AND ORIENTATION, MOUNT THE GUN ACCORDING TO WHATEVER THE RULES FOR SKEET (TRAP?) CALL FOR, WHEN READY, CALL "PULL". THEY FLING THE BIRD, VISIBLE UNDER THE BLACK LIGHT, YOU PICK UP AND FOLLOW IT'S TRAJECTORY WITH THE LASER, REMEMBER, THIS IS DONE IN COMPLETE DARKNESS, EXCEPT FOR THE BLACKLIGHTS ILLUMINATING THE DOWNRANGE (AND SOME DIM RED LIGHTS ALONG THE PATHWAYS FOR SAFETY), YOU TRACK IT, CATCH UP TO IT, BRIEFLY "PAINT " IT AS YOU SMOOTHLY PULL PAST, ON ITS PROJECTED TRAJECTORY, AND WHEN YOU HAVE THE APPROPRIATE "LEAD", BUST IT AND FOLLOW ON THROUGH. WHAT COULD BE SIMPLER, EXCEPT FOR HAVING THE ACTUAL SKILL TO HIT A CLAY BIRD............. AM I MISSING SOMETHING HERE? JESS1344 How about IR with heated clays? RHODES, PROBABLY A BIT MORE EXPENSIVE GIVEN THE IR GEAR, AND THE BIRD HEATER, BUT DON'T SEE WHY NOT. SOMETHING FOR THE BMW AND BENTLEY SET. JESS;~)) Edited August 5, 2013 by JESS1344 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
JESS1344 508 Posted August 5, 2013 Author Report Share Posted August 5, 2013 Sounds like it would be fun to try. Just remember UV light is bad for the eyes. DLT, I COULD WELL BE WRONG, BUT I THINK IT'S DEPENDENT UPON THE EXACT FREQUENCY (NM?) OF THE LIGHT. I RECALL WE HAD A "BUG LIGHT" IN A BIO-FACILITY I WORKED AT YEARS AGO. IT WAS IN THE ROOM WHERE THE FRESHLY POURED PETRI DISHES WERE STORED. WE WERE CAUTIONED TO NEVER GO IN THERE WITH THAT LIGHT ON; ALWAYS KILL IT AND FLIP THE WHITE LIGHTS IF WE NEEDED TO ENTER. AS TO THE BLACK LIGHT I'M THINKING ABOUT, I DON'T THINK SO; OTHERWISE, WHERE'S THE MASSES OF BLIND HIPPIES FROM THE '60'S? JUS' SAYIN'.......... JESS1344;~)) Quote Link to post Share on other sites
JESS1344 508 Posted August 5, 2013 Author Report Share Posted August 5, 2013 Ummm ... most clay birds are already flourescent orange... you would be wasting your time to paint them with flourescent paint, when they already are... If you shot clays, you would already know this... And a Question ... where you getting blacklights good enough for 30, 40, 50 yards?!!?? I dont think the tube ones would give you the range you would need at a typical trap field... INDY, YES, I'M AWARE OF THE ORANGE ONES; IT HASN'T BEEN THAT LONG . I JUST WASN'T SURE IF THAT PARTICULAR ORANGE PAINT WOULD FLUORESCE UNDER BLACK LIGHT. AS TO THE LIGHTS THEMSELVES, I KNOW THEY COME IN VARIOUS CONFIGURATIONS, BULB, TUBE, ECT. APPROPRIATELY CONFIGURED REFLECTORS, TO CONCENTRATE AND FOCUS THE LIGHT DOWNRANGE, AS WITH WHITE LIGHT SHOULD WORK. IF IT LOOKED LIKE THIS WAS SOMETHING THAT WOULD ACTUALLY ACHIEVE POPULARITY, PERHAPS AN ENTERPRISING LIGHT BULB (TUBE?) MFG. COULD DESIGN SOMETHING. HOW ABOUT SOME TYPE OF FILTER/LENS COVER TO CONVERT WHITE TO BLACK LIGHT? IS THAT EVEN POSSIBLE? LETS HEAR FROM SOME OF YOU TECH-TYPES, I KNOW YOU'RE OUT THERE. JESS1344 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Rhodes1968 1,638 Posted August 5, 2013 Report Share Posted August 5, 2013 IR is easy here are the plans that could be adapted to work. Digital camera displays work as well. http://www.lucidscience.com/pro-night%20vision%20viewer-1.aspx I have one for other purposes not relating to shooting clay. Works well enough to see whats up at night. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
sccritterkiller 473 Posted August 5, 2013 Report Share Posted August 5, 2013 There are already companies that offer lazer skeet. I have done it a couple times at night. They butcher regular over and unders to add the lazer. The clays glow in the dark and a electronic tower keeps score..IMHO it sucks. No lead time as stated above and no report. Plus no burnt powder smell...Plus picking up "clays" ton re use them feels al kind of wrong. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
JESS1344 508 Posted August 5, 2013 Author Report Share Posted August 5, 2013 CRITTERKILLER, THAT DOESN'T SOUND LIKE FUN, AT ALL. I'M TALKIN' "REAL" GUNS, FIRING REAL SHOTSHELLS, NOT SOME PATHETIC, CASTRATED THING, JUST SHOOTING A BEAM OF LIGHT. JESS1344 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
YOT 3,743 Posted August 5, 2013 Report Share Posted August 5, 2013 There is this from Laserlyte...... especially for shotguns. The beams are supposed to have the same spread as the shot. 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
sccritterkiller 473 Posted August 5, 2013 Report Share Posted August 5, 2013 CRITTERKILLER, THAT DOESN'T SOUND LIKE FUN, AT ALL. I'M TALKIN' "REAL" GUNS, FIRING REAL SHOTSHELLS, NOT SOME PATHETIC, CASTRATED THING, JUST SHOOTING A BEAM OF LIGHT. JESS1344 No disrespect but anything with lazers is going to be pathetic and castrated. Once you switch to lazers you elimanate the need to learn to lead targets....might as well sit in front of the TV and play Duck Hunt.IMHO Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Maxwelhse 1,285 Posted August 6, 2013 Report Share Posted August 6, 2013 Get a deal on shipping and buy a pallet of these... http://www.amazon.com/Portable-Camping-Light-Lantern-Hanger/dp/B005F2PV6G/ref=sr_1_2?s=sporting-goods&ie=UTF8&qid=1375748523&sr=1-2&keywords=light+up+ufo Quote Link to post Share on other sites
JESS1344 508 Posted August 6, 2013 Author Report Share Posted August 6, 2013 CRITTERKILLER, "YOU TRACK IT, CATCH UP TO IT, BRIEFLY "PAINT " IT AS YOU SMOOTHLY PULL PAST, ON ITS PROJECTED TRAJECTORY, AND WHEN YOU HAVE THE APPROPRIATE "LEAD", BUST IT AND FOLLOW ON THROUGH." I'M SORRY, I GUESS I'M JUST NOT COMMUNICATING VERY EFFECTIVELY TONIGHT......... JESS1344 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Capt Nemo 883 Posted August 6, 2013 Report Share Posted August 6, 2013 I wouldn't try shooting any laser airborne, as one pilot report and all DHS is on the way! But it can be done!!!! For blacklights you need something like the Altman 704(?) blacklight or some of the Wildfire lights. They're expensive at around $700-1200 per light, but when 3-4 can light up a 50'x50' stage easily, a few more should light a shotgun range. <-- Pro Stagehand The Cyalume tracers/#8 loads could be used and are available from Fiocchi in 10 rnd boxes. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
JESS1344 508 Posted August 6, 2013 Author Report Share Posted August 6, 2013 Get a deal on shipping and buy a pallet of these... http://www.amazon.com/Portable-Camping-Light-Lantern-Hanger/dp/B005F2PV6G/ref=sr_1_2?s=sporting-goods&ie=UTF8&qid=1375748523&sr=1-2&keywords=light+up+ufo MAXWELHSE, THOSE ARE WHITE LIGHT; I HAVE A COUPLE OF THOSE, AS A MATTER OF FACT. WHAT I'M TALKING ABOUT IS BLACK LIGHT. JESS1344 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
sccritterkiller 473 Posted August 6, 2013 Report Share Posted August 6, 2013 CRITTERKILLER, "YOU TRACK IT, CATCH UP TO IT, BRIEFLY "PAINT " IT AS YOU SMOOTHLY PULL PAST, ON ITS PROJECTED TRAJECTORY, AND WHEN YOU HAVE THE APPROPRIATE "LEAD", BUST IT AND FOLLOW ON THROUGH." I'M SORRY, I GUESS I'M JUST NOT COMMUNICATING VERY EFFECTIVELY TONIGHT......... JESS1344 I think I understand but the above sequence would happen so fast I don't think it would feel like real skeet shooting. Maybe because I have done it before I am making certain asumptions. I will say the lazer think was kinda neat at night but you have to forget evrything you know about shooting clays...Both times I did it was on the courtyard of a resort so there was plenty of lighting. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
JESS1344 508 Posted August 6, 2013 Author Report Share Posted August 6, 2013 I wouldn't try shooting any laser airborne, as one pilot report and all DHS is on the way! But it can be done!!!! For blacklights you need something like the Altman 704(?) blacklight or some of the Wildfire lights. They're expensive at around $700-1200 per light, but when 3-4 can light up a 50'x50' stage easily, a few more should light a shotgun range. <-- Pro Stagehand The Cyalume tracers/#8 loads could be used and are available from Fiocchi in 10 rnd boxes. CAPT NEMO, THANK YOU, SOME BODY CLEAR ON THE CONCEPT! I WAS ABOUT READY TO ASK IF WE DIDN'T HAVE ANY OLD HIPPIES ONBOARD, THAT KNEW WHAT A BLACK LIGHT WAS. YEAH, AIRCRAFT COULD BE A CONCERN, IF THE RANGE WAS IN PROXIMITY TO AN AIRPORT, BUT HOW OFTEN DOES THAT HAPPEN. PROBABLY HAVE TO GIVE NOTICE TO THE FAA AHEAD OF TIME FOR THEM TO POST NOTAM'S. WITH THE <5MW CIVILIAN LASERS I'VE SEEN, I DON'T THINK THEY'D PRESENT ANY EYESAFE ISSUES, AT ANY DISTANCE; ANYBODY THAT KNOWS OTHERWISE, PLEASE CHIME IN. DO YOU KNOW IF ANYONE MFG'S BLACKLIGHT LED'S, THINKING THEY WOULD BE CHEAPER, LONGER LASTING AND MAYBE MORE POWERFUL, LUMENS-WISE. PROBABLY BE CHEAPER TO RUN, DRAWING LESS AMPS. I GUESS AN EMAIL TO CREE IS IN ORDER.... THOSE CYALUME LOADS, IF THEY CAN EVEN BE FOUND THESE DAYS, BY MY RECOLLECTION, ARE SUPER EXPENSIVE. THANKS FOR YOUR HELP, CAPT. JESS1344 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
romad7 75 Posted August 6, 2013 Report Share Posted August 6, 2013 This is crazy but a good crazy! I like where this is going, if you ever work this out you have to add a good NV camera. This requires video proof. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
jerry52 893 Posted August 6, 2013 Report Share Posted August 6, 2013 Lets see! shooting at night! Game Cops will drop in on you. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
sccritterkiller 473 Posted August 6, 2013 Report Share Posted August 6, 2013 Here is what I'm talking about......http://www.laserskeet.com/pictures.html. I do like the idea.....I think it would be cool to shoot at night with the cyalume loads. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Capt Nemo 883 Posted August 6, 2013 Report Share Posted August 6, 2013 (edited) DO YOU KNOW IF ANYONE MFG'S BLACKLIGHT LED'S, THINKING THEY WOULD BE CHEAPER, LONGER LASTING AND MAYBE MORE POWERFUL, LUMENS-WISE. PROBABLY BE CHEAPER TO RUN, DRAWING LESS AMPS. I GUESS AN EMAIL TO CREE IS IN ORDER.... JESS1344 You aren't going to get crap from even high intensity LED's. The Wildfire and Altman lights are special HMI arc lamps that put out a buttload of UV. Arc lighting is even more efficient at UV than LED. It's just the nature of electric arcs. You can rent these lights from theatrical supply houses like PRG. Edited August 6, 2013 by Capt Nemo Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Capt Nemo 883 Posted August 6, 2013 Report Share Posted August 6, 2013 Here's what the tracers look like. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PkK1ayxBMCo Quote Link to post Share on other sites
JESS1344 508 Posted August 6, 2013 Author Report Share Posted August 6, 2013 Lets see! shooting at night! Game Cops will drop in on you. JERRY, YOU CO-OPT THEM............... NOTIFY THEM AHEAD OF TIME, AND INVITE THEM OVER TO SHOOT THE INAUGURAL ROUND WITH YOU. CAT SKINNED! JESS1344;~)) Quote Link to post Share on other sites
jojo200517 68 Posted August 6, 2013 Report Share Posted August 6, 2013 Gun club I used to work at did a little bit of night time shooting occasionally. Had a couple fields that back behind the shooters up on big telephone poles they had like stadium style flood lights that shined out across the field. You could use standard orange but we had some white and florescent greenish yellow ones too we used for it, as they tended to have more standout in the lighting. I think I understand what you are saying. Illuminate the field with black lights (think cosmic bowling) and have white targets and they should glow in the black light (most white things will, think your socks if you go cosmic bowling). The problem is there not going to glow terribly bright against the night sky and your going to have a barely visible at best clay traveling away from you somewhere between 40-50 mph. Probably be about as easy as shooting them on a bright sunny day wearing welding goggles. As far as lasers and optical sights, theres a very good reason no pro trap shooters use them and its simply because by the time you got on the target with it and squeezed the trigger the target would be long gone.I always thought the S12 would be an awesome gun to use for 5 stand, maybe with 20 round drums on tap I could hit something.Honestly tho you'd never get the old geezers at the trap clubs to go for it with their 2 shell rules and other bovine scatology. Last but not least just because you find a sporting purpose for a gun doesn't mean jack shit to the ATF if they feel it has none. If finding a sporting purpose could get anything legalized I'm sure someone would put together a machine gun sporting clays range. (which sounds like a grand and awesome idea to me by the way) 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Rhodes1968 1,638 Posted August 6, 2013 Report Share Posted August 6, 2013 I still say take light out of the picture. Look at it like training for night skills. Get used to using IR, its not expensive with some imagination. See where things are weak and adjust accordingly. Fun as hell too. Make it more of challenge and use sub-sonic 22 to keep noise down. Think that Mexican stuff has a round thats very quiet, primer only charge, and it wouldn't go further than shot. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Capt Nemo 883 Posted August 6, 2013 Report Share Posted August 6, 2013 (edited) It would kinda go this way. Night footage at the end! Good drone practice! http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RR5BtXP0s0o Edited August 6, 2013 by Capt Nemo Quote Link to post Share on other sites
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