Zog117 0 Posted August 12, 2013 Report Share Posted August 12, 2013 So I'm thinking about investing in a Vepr 12 for 3 gun, but have heard mixed feelings about the aftermarket SGM Tactical Magazines (10 and 12 rd'ers). For those w/ experience with them, are they good/ reliable/ worth buying? Or am I just better off buying the factory Russian 8rd mags? Any insight would be greatly appreciated. Thanks! Quote Link to post Share on other sites
ec4321 113 Posted August 12, 2013 Report Share Posted August 12, 2013 Factory mags are great. SGMs work for the range, but Factory are what I use for anything serious. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
hdskumm 39 Posted August 12, 2013 Report Share Posted August 12, 2013 I haven't had any issues with mine. I think they are worth buying a couple to have on hand given they're less than half the cost of factories, but I'd definitely get some factories. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Zog117 0 Posted August 12, 2013 Author Report Share Posted August 12, 2013 Yeah, this shotgun just for 3 gun and competition only. Nothing serious... That's what I have my rifle for Quote Link to post Share on other sites
ShadyVepr 10 Posted August 12, 2013 Report Share Posted August 12, 2013 I have had no problems with the smg's with higher power loads. For the cheep stuff I get FTE alot and never have any problems with the mag that came with the gun with any loads. If I took the smg's apart and dry lubed them I bet they would feed the cheep stuff fine. I just don't use cheep stuff so its not worth the effort to dismantle them. When its time to clean them I will do it. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Zog117 0 Posted August 12, 2013 Author Report Share Posted August 12, 2013 Shady, was this for a particular brand of cheap ammo or all across the board? Thanks for the comments guys. Keep them coming! Quote Link to post Share on other sites
ShadyVepr 10 Posted August 13, 2013 Report Share Posted August 13, 2013 I had some winchester white box 7 1/2 like 1200 fps birdshot crap I don't recall the exact numbers. it worked fine in the factory mag but lots of fte with the smg 12 rounders Quote Link to post Share on other sites
cgp 12 Posted August 13, 2013 Report Share Posted August 13, 2013 All of mine feed fine. However, I don't always get that LRBHO function. Never had that issue with factory mags Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Zog117 0 Posted August 13, 2013 Author Report Share Posted August 13, 2013 Of those that have responded so far. How many mags do you have and of those mags how many are problematic in any degree? I'm just trying to get a rough picture of the failure/ problematic rate, Quote Link to post Share on other sites
hdskumm 39 Posted August 13, 2013 Report Share Posted August 13, 2013 I've tested 4 10 rounders with high and low brass. Out of 300+ rounds I only got 2 FTE out of the low brass federal bulk pack, but I had the stock folded and was only supporting the gun with my hands, so I don't blame the mags. I've only had 2 issues with the LRBHO not working on them with the low brass, but my factory 5 rounder has never activated the LRBHO with low brass for some reason. I have not had one single issue with that on my factory 8's. 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Zog117 0 Posted August 13, 2013 Author Report Share Posted August 13, 2013 It's very encouraging to see that things sound really positive. I've been doing a lot of research and between the comments here, the review from Tim at Military arms Channel, plouffedaddy's youtube video, and calling around to various distributors it seems that these mags are good to go, especially since I'm not doing anything serious with it (just 3 gun). Needless to say, I'll be placing an order for my Vepr 12 by the end of the week. Thanks for all the help guys! Quote Link to post Share on other sites
st381 3 Posted August 13, 2013 Report Share Posted August 13, 2013 I keep two factory 5 rounders loaded with 00 in the safe for home defense. I purchased 10 12-round SGMs when I first bought by V12 and have used 5 and the other 5 are still wrapped up. Of those 5 all have worked flawlessly. The only reason I don't use them for home defense is that they are too long to keep conveniently stored and accessible in the gun safe. Purchase with confidence. Once the Russian 8-rounders and 10-rounders come down to a reasonable price, I will probably buy a few of those. By far the V12 is my favorite weapon to shoot. The SGMs have fed all types of ammo flawlessly. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
DresNightfire 39 Posted August 14, 2013 Report Share Posted August 14, 2013 I keep two factory 5 rounders loaded with 00 in the safe for home defense. I purchased 10 12-round SGMs when I first bought by V12 and have used 5 and the other 5 are still wrapped up. Of those 5 all have worked flawlessly. The only reason I don't use them for home defense is that they are too long to keep conveniently stored and accessible in the gun safe. Purchase with confidence. Once the Russian 8-rounders and 10-rounders come down to a reasonable price, I will probably buy a few of those. By far the V12 is my favorite weapon to shoot. The SGMs have fed all types of ammo flawlessly. Someone was listening... 5 pack of Molot 8-rounders at Legion USA comes to $74 per mag... Killer deal! Quote Link to post Share on other sites
TheGerman 8 Posted August 26, 2013 Report Share Posted August 26, 2013 I have 2 SGM 8 rounders and I've sanded, adjusted, sanded some more and spent hours getting it to where I can change the mag and slide it up the magwell easily like the factory mags and it still only does it correctly maybe 1 in 4 times. The 4 5 round and 4 8 round factory mags I have work flawless without touching them. I'm to the point that I'll pay 75$ per mag NOT to have to deal with this shit. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
SGM 217 Posted August 26, 2013 Report Share Posted August 26, 2013 TheGerman. We have not produced a 8 round magazine perhaps you meant 10 rounders. If anyone has issues with our magazines and wants to do the warranty on them just call us, the phone number is on the contact page of our website www.sgmtactical.com 2 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
thebuns1 4,323 Posted August 26, 2013 Report Share Posted August 26, 2013 ^^ they stand behind their products. 2 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Cobra 76 two 2,677 Posted August 26, 2013 Report Share Posted August 26, 2013 I think mine work as good or even better than the factory 5rd that came with it. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
menace667 194 Posted August 26, 2013 Report Share Posted August 26, 2013 Mine have worked awesomely also. I have three factory five rounders and five twn round SGM mags and i have had perfect function from both. I too keep a factory five for home defense loaded, but for the same reason as stated above. I would trust a SGM if it were what i grabbed without hesitation also. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Muffman 54 Posted August 27, 2013 Report Share Posted August 27, 2013 No go. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
PapaZorro 401 Posted August 27, 2013 Report Share Posted August 27, 2013 You can use the SAME aftermarket MolotArms 10 round mags that use RUSSIAN for IPSC or 3Gun Quote Link to post Share on other sites
thebuns1 4,323 Posted August 28, 2013 Report Share Posted August 28, 2013 I have 2 SGM 8 rounders and I've sanded, adjusted, sanded some more and spent hours getting it to where I can change the mag and slide it up the magwell easily like the factory mags and it still only does it correctly maybe 1 in 4 times. The 4 5 round and 4 8 round factory mags I have work flawless without touching them. I'm to the point that I'll pay 75$ per mag NOT to have to deal with this shit. Perhaps you should have capitalized on their warranty prior to modifying the mag, and prior to writing negative shit about their product without giving them a chance to make it right. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
ec4321 113 Posted August 28, 2013 Report Share Posted August 28, 2013 (edited) Surveys here are pretty skewed. If you have an experience that contradict's other's perspectives and are honest about it, you may very well end up being berated. This changes behaviors over time as participants being to self regulate, hence you end up with a result that is biased in favor of commerce and advertisers on the site. Edited August 28, 2013 by ec4321 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
thebuns1 4,323 Posted August 28, 2013 Report Share Posted August 28, 2013 Surveys here are pretty skewed. If you have an experience that contradict's other's perspectives and are honest about it, you may very well end up being berated. This changes behaviors over time as participants being to self regulate, hence you end up with a result that is biased in favor of commerce and advertisers on the site. I think this depends on the product, and how the negative feedback is presented. If more people would take time to contact the business members prior to ranting and making shit posts about their products and services, then many here wouldnt get berated. With that said, anything mass produced can and will have issues. Its how the manufacturer handles shit with the end user that makes the difference. Ive had issues in the past with one of my SGM mags, but I contacted them, and they made it right. They stood behind their product. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
TheGerman 8 Posted August 28, 2013 Report Share Posted August 28, 2013 (edited) I have 2 SGM 8 rounders and I've sanded, adjusted, sanded some more and spent hours getting it to where I can change the mag and slide it up the magwell easily like the factory mags and it still only does it correctly maybe 1 in 4 times. The 4 5 round and 4 8 round factory mags I have work flawless without touching them. I'm to the point that I'll pay 75$ per mag NOT to have to deal with this shit. Perhaps you should have capitalized on their warranty prior to modifying the mag, and prior to writing negative shit about their product without giving them a chance to make it right. The concensus (how many threads were there on this??) before buying them was that there is a good chance you will have to mess with them a bit to get them to run because they were made to a certain spec/size and the VEPR's varied here a bit in the magwell area. That's fine, I can handle that; I've had a Saiga 12, I know how this game goes. So I am expecting them NOT to fit my stock VEPR when I get them and that was pretty much the case when I got them, so warranty doesn't really work here as there's really nothing 'wrong' that they can fix. I was told, and expcted them not to fit properly. Not like the mag broke in half or something. So exactly how do you give them a chance? Their shit doesn't fit. I was expecting it not to without some modification. Oh well. Nothing wrong with it, it just doesn't fit. However, the amount of modification needed to get them to even work halfassed in a stock, factory, unmessed with rifle is rediculous and I am sure that if I was sent 2 more, I'd have the same result. If I didn't we'd have an even bigger problem as then their mags would be different spec sizes. Hey, if they want to refund me the money for these two, great. I really didn't care as this was a bit of a research project to see if I can get around factory mags and their pricing. SGM, thanks for the offer. I messed with them and knew what I was getting into, hence why I didn't contact you with some BS sob story trying to get my money back after I sanded the shit out of them and still cannot get them to work properly. Edited August 28, 2013 by TheGerman Quote Link to post Share on other sites
thebuns1 4,323 Posted August 28, 2013 Report Share Posted August 28, 2013 I have 2 SGM 8 rounders and I've sanded, adjusted, sanded some more and spent hours getting it to where I can change the mag and slide it up the magwell easily like the factory mags and it still only does it correctly maybe 1 in 4 times. The 4 5 round and 4 8 round factory mags I have work flawless without touching them. I'm to the point that I'll pay 75$ per mag NOT to have to deal with this shit. Perhaps you should have capitalized on their warranty prior to modifying the mag, and prior to writing negative shit about their product without giving them a chance to make it right. The concensus (how many threads were there on this??) before buying them was that there is a good chance you will have to mess with them a bit to get them to run because they were made to a certain spec/size and the VEPR's varied here a bit in the magwell area. That's fine, I can handle that; I've had a Saiga 12, I know how this game goes. So I am expecting them NOT to fit my stock VEPR when I get them and that was pretty much the case when I got them, so warranty doesn't really work here as there's really nothing 'wrong' that they can fix. I was told, and expcted them not to fit properly. Not like the mag broke in half or something. So exactly how do you give them a chance? Their shit doesn't fit. I was expecting it not to without some modification. Oh well. Nothing wrong with it, it just doesn't fit. However, the amount of modification needed to get them to even work halfassed in a stock, factory, unmessed with rifle is rediculous and I am sure that if I was sent 2 more, I'd have the same result. If I didn't we'd have an even bigger problem as then their mags would be different spec sizes. Hey, if they want to refund me the money for these two, great. I really didn't care as this was a bit of a research project to see if I can get around factory mags and their pricing. SGM, thanks for the offer. I messed with them and knew what I was getting into, hence why I didn't contact you with some BS sob story trying to get my money back after I sanded the shit out of them and still cannot get them to work properly. The mags they had from the first molds were somewhat problematic. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
EWiZaRD 0 Posted September 6, 2013 Report Share Posted September 6, 2013 (edited) Factory mags are the best, but they are limited to 8 rounds. And stay away from Factory 10-rounds mags, they are ugly bastards made from two 8-rounds mags. Edited September 12, 2013 by EWiZaRD Quote Link to post Share on other sites
big_sti 2 Posted September 12, 2013 Report Share Posted September 12, 2013 No go, have 4 from a later batch and 2 from orginal batch, all of them don't feed properly. Shells get caught up at the top, I'll probably try sanding them. Fit is awful have to pound these things in, bolt hold doesn't work on a any of them with heavy or light loads. My factory 5 works fine, feeds fine and fits fine, will be picking up over priced factory 8s. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
DresNightfire 39 Posted September 12, 2013 Report Share Posted September 12, 2013 Factory mags are the best, but they are limited to 8 rounds. And stay away from Factory 10-rounds mags, they are ugly bastards made from two 8-rounds mags. on the topic of factory molot arms 10-round mags, they were a hit or miss for me, so i made sure the shipper tested the mag by filling all 10 rounds before shipping. i tested the molot arms 10 round while shooting clay and it functioned flawlessly. PZ mentioned the real molot factory will offer real 10 rounders in the future, no specific date... No go, have 4 from a later batch and 2 from orginal batch, all of them don't feed properly. Shells get caught up at the top, I'll probably try sanding them. Fit is awful have to pound these things in, bolt hold doesn't work on a any of them with heavy or light loads. My factory 5 works fine, feeds fine and fits fine, will be picking up over priced factory 8s. please read the warranty guidelines for the mags before sanding. you may need to call SGM first and have them swapped out. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
MAKAK47 21 Posted September 13, 2013 Report Share Posted September 13, 2013 I've had serious feed issues with the SGM 12 rounder mags, and I'm just sticking with Russian built 8 rounders, I haven't tried the 10 round Molot mags yet Quote Link to post Share on other sites
PapaZorro 401 Posted September 15, 2013 Report Share Posted September 15, 2013 Have anybody tried this mags? Quote Link to post Share on other sites
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