SHOTGUN MESIAH 855 Posted August 22, 2013 Report Share Posted August 22, 2013 (edited) Edited August 27, 2013 by SHOTGUN MESIAH 2 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
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EthanM 514 Posted August 22, 2013 Report Share Posted August 22, 2013 Dang that looks good 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
haugpatr 972 Posted August 22, 2013 Report Share Posted August 22, 2013 Nice job! I like that foregrip, who makes it? Quote Link to post Share on other sites
SHOTGUN MESIAH 855 Posted August 22, 2013 Author Report Share Posted August 22, 2013 (edited) Nice job! I like that foregrip, who makes it? Stark Equipment. I like it a lot better than the Magpull AFG. It gives you a few more grip options plus a nice little stash place inside. I originally wanted to put a VFG on it but it was brought to my attention that it would be illegal so I went with this AFG and I am very glad I did, I actually like it better. http://shop.starkequipment.com/product.sc?productId=13 Thanks guys Edited August 23, 2013 by SHOTGUN MESIAH Quote Link to post Share on other sites
breid1970 327 Posted August 22, 2013 Report Share Posted August 22, 2013 nicely done. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
SHOTGUN MESIAH 855 Posted August 23, 2013 Author Report Share Posted August 23, 2013 (edited) It has been brought to my attention by someone on this forum that this is an illegal fore grip. According to the ATF, only a Vertical fore grip is illegal. This is a Fixed Angled Fore grip. If anyone thinks this is illegal, please bring it to my attention. Below is the ATF page wherein lies no mention of an Angled fore grip. http://www.atf.gov/p...-fore-grip.html Edited August 23, 2013 by SHOTGUN MESIAH Quote Link to post Share on other sites
EthanM 514 Posted August 23, 2013 Report Share Posted August 23, 2013 It has been brought to my attention that this is an illegal fore grip. According to the ATF, only a Vertical fore grip is illegal. This is a Fixed Angled Fore grip. If anyone thinks this is illegal, please bring it to my attention. Below is the ATF page wherein lies no mention of an Angled fore grip. http://www.atf.gov/p...-fore-grip.html I know the magpul afg is legal on a pistol. If this one is classified as a angled fore grip then you should be good because it only talks about vertical fore grips I tried to find a letter from the ATF for the stark but I'm only finding the magpul one. My google foo let me down! :'( Quote Link to post Share on other sites
SHOTGUN MESIAH 855 Posted August 23, 2013 Author Report Share Posted August 23, 2013 (edited) I'm going to get this cleared up once and for all. Here is a letter I'm sending out tomorrow to the ATF. Stay tuned. Edited August 23, 2013 by SHOTGUN MESIAH 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
SHOTGUN MESIAH 855 Posted August 23, 2013 Author Report Share Posted August 23, 2013 To those viewing, I have already removed the grip until further notification from the ATF. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
EthanM 514 Posted August 23, 2013 Report Share Posted August 23, 2013 Wise decision good sir. Never can be too careful. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
SHOTGUN MESIAH 855 Posted August 23, 2013 Author Report Share Posted August 23, 2013 (edited) Mailed off the letter today. I wonder how long it will be before I get a response? Anyone ever wrote a letter of similar content to the ATF before? I'm guessing It will probably be months before I hear back. I called Stark and spoke with them on this matter and they are also waiting to hear back from the ATF as well. They said when they receive such information that they will post it on their site. So I guess we just wait for now. Stark did say that they list it as a Angled Fore Grip as it is not designed to grip like a Vertical Fore Grip. Edited August 23, 2013 by SHOTGUN MESIAH Quote Link to post Share on other sites
mancat 2,368 Posted August 23, 2013 Report Share Posted August 23, 2013 since the ATF already said in the past that AFGs are OK, you're playing a dangerous game by asking them again. depending on who reads the letter, they could completely change their mind. 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
SHOTGUN MESIAH 855 Posted August 23, 2013 Author Report Share Posted August 23, 2013 Well Stark already beat me to the punch. I would rather know for sure than not. I'm sure that I am not the only one to inquire on this matter. So we will finally know either way. I don't know about you but I am not going to take anyones word on a message board that these are ok to install. I want to hear it directly from the man himself. A dangerous game would be to just take someones word that it is ok and then wind up in Fed Prison for 10 years. 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
mancat 2,368 Posted August 23, 2013 Report Share Posted August 23, 2013 ATF letters on the AFG are available if you search them out.. It's not just a hearsay issue. However good luck on getting a timely response from them. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
SHOTGUN MESIAH 855 Posted August 23, 2013 Author Report Share Posted August 23, 2013 I have searched and searched and found no such info. All I can find is info pertaining to Vertical grips. If you have such info please share it with us. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
SHOTGUN MESIAH 855 Posted November 25, 2013 Author Report Share Posted November 25, 2013 (edited) Got my response back from the ATFE and Here it is in black and white from the man himself. A angled fore grip is legal. Edited November 25, 2013 by SHOTGUN MESIAH 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
mancat 2,368 Posted November 25, 2013 Report Share Posted November 25, 2013 that's still not a vertical fore grip, the letter even specifically states such. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
SHOTGUN MESIAH 855 Posted November 25, 2013 Author Report Share Posted November 25, 2013 (edited) my bad, ANGLED fore grip is what I meant. Edited November 25, 2013 by SHOTGUN MESIAH Quote Link to post Share on other sites
s4pat 2 Posted December 28, 2013 Report Share Posted December 28, 2013 Got my response back from the ATFE and Here it is in black and white from the man himself. A angled fore grip is legal. thanks for posting this letter! i purchased one of these AFG's and then thought about if anyone had an official response for it from the ATF. a quick google search and i found my answer. oh, i bought it for my M92 as well! your's is the first i have saw with one mounted and i like it! just need to get my rails installed up front and i'm good to go! Quote Link to post Share on other sites
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