Considering some investment firearms-what would you get?

[horatio 515]

Over the last few months as most of the gunworld has somewhat stabilized in pricing and availability, i've been giving some consideration to investing some money into firearms. i've had a few bucks in an underperforming stock market account that i've decided to bail out on, and im thinking of giving this a try.

 

basically, we all lament about the 250/350/450 ak. we all remember cheap 556, x39, etc. i remember only a few months ago watching pmags actually being sold, sold for 50 bucks each. md drums for 300. 22cci lr 100 round bricks for $60. i could go on but im sure you all remember. i also remember all the arguments if this was capitalism or just a bunch of assholes trying to screw over people.

 

it reminds me of a post by a regular member here saying he could better track price fluctuations due to world events better in the gun world then in the stock market. im not looking to grow rich by any strecth, but im willing to bet over 5 years i could beat a 7% gain here than on wall street.

 

i'd prefer to keep it simple. i'm sure there are a ton of custom builds that could make a mint if i hit just the right scenario, but i'd rather play it safe and keep with just some of the mainstream items. my short list is

 

colt/ bushmaster AR's (possible stock and bolt carrier swap out)

AR parts kits

saiga ak

pmags

glock 33 rounder

steel ak mags (hell in last 3 years by me they've gone from $6 to $11)

s-12

a vepr 12/x39

green tipped 556

9mm/45 winchester ranger sxt

steel 54r spam cans

 

 

i only plan to store all this, not shoot any of it, so it would remain mint (ammo would be stored properly of course) i figure worst case scenario in 5 years i break even on the guns and parts, and save myself some money on the ammo. so what would you guys get? what do you think of the idea? ( and yes, i do realize i just asked a bunch of gun enthusiasts if i should buy some guns thanks

 

[poolingmyignorance 2,191]

lower receivers, 100%& 80%, magazines magazines and some magazines. AR bolts/ carriers. AK kits

[Motopilot1 37]

find yourself some good parts kits with good numbers. i know of a few argentine kits right now on gb that are all matching numbers all new old stock stuff. the fal parts are getting harder to come by and theres a huge following. but your pretty safe with any parts kits. i have neer seen them drop in value

[termite 463]

Why not a HK sear pack registered in all 3 calibers. 9mm, .223, & .308. You could get a sear ready clone and enjoy the hell out of it while you "sit" on your investment. To change calibers, all you need to do is change the ejector, but you'd have to have a clone for each caliber. Even when you decide to sell it, it will be worth more than you paid, as long as you do pay too much up front. The sears, registered packs and registered receivers are going up in price every day. Or maybe a registered AR lower. These are some what of a select market and some people won't pay the money, but they will only increase in price, but think of all the new friends you'll gain when they find out you have one.

Or maybe start stock piling reloading supplies, i.e., bullets, brass, primers, and powder, and then have your own loaders for personal use.

[Jaba1017 71]

I go to several estate gun auctions per year, and the items over the long term which always draw high bids are Colt pistols and revolvers followed by S&W revolvers. Quality long guns seem to hold value but don't draw the high bids. Foreign and combloc stuff never pulls high bidders, but never goes for a discount either. Shorter term there might be money to be made on the "assault rifle" play, who knows you could end up with a safe full of pre-ban gold or worthless contraband. I wish I had bought a dozen Izhmash Tigrs back in the 80's for $450. I'd be selling them at $5K each today.

[dustindu4 101]

prices overall are going to start dropping soon that the hysteria is over. I'm not sure at the moment that now is the best time to buy anything. I mean I saw $800 WASRs at the gun shop today.

[JoeAK 337]

Personally, I'd buy a crate of mosin nagants and a bunch of ammo.

 

Look at all the other old military rifles where the price has at least tripled

[liberty -r- death 1,445]

I'd lean toward a crate of mosin rifles as well. They've gone from 79-140 over the 10 years, and now that Russia is running low prices will likely get close to $200 in the next 5 years.

[yakdung 2,926]

I do not foresee any slack in demand. IF the Republicans can't gain control of the senate in 2014, that will indicate to me, we are in trouble in 2016. When Hitlery becomes President, demand and availability will become worse IMHO. I really started procuring when Hitlery made her first run, and I can say since then, most of my rifles have tripled in value. If you are looking for suggestions, anything on Dianne Feinstein's list:

 

 

 

Edited August 26, 2013 by yakdung

[mostholycerebus 415]

Purchasing firearms, or making firearms like from 80% lowers, FOR PROFIT, is strictly the domain of an FFL. You dont mention it, but I assume you ARE an FFL, because otherwise your post is a huge billboard asking to be put in federal prison.

 

If thats not the case, your only option is non-firearms. Which is when you look at kits, ammo, and the hard-to-produce AR15 parts that you can make a huge profit on during shortages.

 

I could go into more detail, but im not really into helping others screw ME in the long run. I may want an AK kit sometime, or a case of GT, or need a BCG to finish a build. People buying 20, 50, 200 kits to sit on them isnt exactly keeping MY costs down when I go shopping. Lots of posters here just wanted a few hundred rounds of GT to go plinking last year, but speculators and hoarders kept shelves empty, and what WAS in stock prohibitively expensive. YOU are gonna make the profit, YOU do the research, YOU make the investment.

 

Why not just call Warren Buffet and ask what stocks to buy? Probably because he knows the value of his information and experience, and wont hand it out to competitors, like some of the posters on this board.

 

Its one thing to help a member with his personal stash, its another to help someone make money off the rest of us.

 

On most boards, these types of posts require the OP be a contributing business member, so the community sees and understand up front that you arent here to be out friends, but to make money off of us.

Edited August 26, 2013 by mostholycerebus

[Odd Man Out 1,283]

High cap magazines -- 30 rounders. When the ban comes (anyone really think we are going to get more freedom compared to less w/o some form of revolution???) you will be sitin on gold.

[Cobra 76 two 2,677]

I still feel like the best "investment" firearm I have is my Thompson '27 A1 from West Hurly. By investment what I mean is if I ever absolutely had to sell it, and could somehow pry it out of my safe and let someone else love it, then I could easily get my money back out of it.

[Matthew Hopkins 1,065]

 

 

basically, we all lament about the 250/350/450 ak.

 

 

what do you mean, "we"??? I am not lamenting about 250 dollar AK, I bought the vast collection of mine, and still have them , when they under 250. MAADIs, (ARMs, RPM), SAR3s, AK74s.

 

the AKS-74U I had built is the most expensive AK I own, cost me 450 bucks and that includes the tax stamp. the POLYTECH LEGEND is the second most expensive, 350 bucks. originally I bought it for 700 bucks, but sold off the 2 Chinese drums that came with it and the NORINCO bakelite mag.

 

I don't look at firearms as a "investment". never have, my philosophy has always been, if I like it, I buy it.

 

 

I stopped buying firearms 5 or so years ago, because nothing else out there appeals to me.

 

mags and ammo. baby if you didn't buy it cheap and stock it deep, that is on you. anytime I came across a good price on either one of those I bought it. I'm swimming in both ammo and mags, no need for me to even worry or bitch about prices. I just sit back and read other people crying and whining about prices on those.

Edited August 26, 2013 by Matthew Hopkins

[brad cole 65]

to be honest original Red Ryder bb guns from yard sales. and anything under 100$ will hold value no matter what

[Jpanzer 1,265]

Every firearm I own has done nothing but increase in value since I bought them. A original WW2 98K Mauser I bought in the mid 90's for around $450 is now worth at least triple that. In my opinion you will ALWAYS at least break even on the purchase, and usually come out way ahead if one chooses to sell.

 

Can't say that for any 401k I've ever had....

[6500rpm 670]

The PAP M92 version is price really good right now as well as the VERP line up, and you can never go wrong with HK for a investment.

[sccritterkiller 473]

You have to look at this portfolio as you would any other and keep it balanced..sure I would have some "assault rife" stuff...but do to the political issues that surrond them I would consider them a higher risk...I would also have some over and under and double barrel shotguns and colt pistols too..sure the potential return on them will not be as high as the stuff mentioned above but the political issues surrounding them are a lot lower.

[horatio 515]

Cerebus- im not an FFL- and i completely forgot about that rule, thank you for reminding me. i have no intention to break any laws so firearms/80% are out, which leaves me with a pretty short list that is still workable. FWIW im only talking about a little money i threw at the market a few years ago, not my life 401k or anything. i'll respond to rest of the messages later, but i have to get to work, thanks again everyone

[Arik 565]

Older S&W revolvers that are in good shape. A good to tell its age is just looking at where the barrel meets the fame. If there is a pin going through its a pre 1981 and will be more collectable. Those who are into S&W revolvers see the pin as a time when the manufacturer cared enough to do the small things instead of cutting costs.

 

Surplus ammo and mags

Original AK barrels

[Rhodes1968 1,638]

Not sure if the Curio would solve your problems with profit or not, sure make some things easier to attain.

 

Ammo would be the ticket, forget selling the firearms.

 

But let us assume the excrement hit the rotary device and I wanted to put rifles in the hands of those of like mind.

 

A crate of decent SKS surplus wouldn't be a bad idea, another rifle that goes up consistently coupled with a pallet of decent long term suitable x39 ammo and stripper clips.

 

From the last panic, I would only add a couple dozen Marlin 60s and a crate of 22LR. 50k of 22LR would have been REAL nice to market.

 

But I would stick to the ammo, less chance of running afoul of dear leader.

[mostholycerebus 415]

Not sure if the Curio would solve your problems with profit or not, sure make some things easier to attain.

Im an 03, and it really doesnt. We still arent allowed to purchase for profits, so we generally have to sell at market rate, not much over that. In addition we can only sell C&Rs for the purpose of "enhancing the collection" which to many means, all money from the sale must be used to purchase new firearms. The only other reason is unexpected requirements; medical bills, house burns down, etc. Some hardcore guys buy crates to handpick their own rares, then sell off the others, but thats a real fine line. Anyway, nowadays most crates are picked over by the dealers first, they have wised up to that.

 

Mags are really where its at. A couple guys bought a few hundred Tapcos at $4 each, sold them for about $40+ each during the panic. I personally feel, a mag ban is inevitable. AR15 popularity is skyrocketing, even among FUDs, so an AWB loses more and more steam every day.

Edited August 26, 2013 by mostholycerebus

[yakdung 2,926]

Consider this solution from the same group of geniuses that are the root cause of the problem to begin with:

 

http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2013/08/26/house-dems-seek-to-tax-gun-owners-with-new-bill/

[storm6490 2,768]

The P210 sauer is a good bet. Here is a nice set of 5 highline sauers you will never see again! http://www.gunbroker.com/Auction/ViewItem.aspx?Item=362323826