Get-n-Ready 8 Posted August 31, 2013 Report Share Posted August 31, 2013 So far Im at 11 lbs with no ammo. Wouldnt want to carry it all day hunting but for H.D and just rec shooting I like the weight,havent shot it yet. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Get-n-Ready 8 Posted August 31, 2013 Author Report Share Posted August 31, 2013 Is this like asking a woman her weight. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Flatland Shooter 22 Posted August 31, 2013 Report Share Posted August 31, 2013 Mine is 13.5# with 19 rds and Roulette magazine. I'd like to lighten her up a bit. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
compshootfl 40 Posted August 31, 2013 Report Share Posted August 31, 2013 9 lbs 6 oz. empty with Firebird TAC-12 lower and handguard. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
cad_man 4 Posted August 31, 2013 Report Share Posted August 31, 2013 10 lbs. as configured with the Firebird TAC-12 lower and standard length (long) Firebird hand guard, no magazine. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Get-n-Ready 8 Posted August 31, 2013 Author Report Share Posted August 31, 2013 As I said hadn't shot mine,I didn't think the recoil was bad stock.How is it with the extra weight. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
cad_man 4 Posted August 31, 2013 Report Share Posted August 31, 2013 I never fired mine in stock condition, so I don't have a good reference. Federal Power Shok 1610 fps slugs kick pretty good and I'm sure the aluminum lower and hand guard dampen the recoil substantially. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Flatland Shooter 22 Posted September 1, 2013 Report Share Posted September 1, 2013 I stick primarily with 1 to 1-1/8 oz loads at 1200 fps and recoil is not bad at all. I've been experimenting with 1145 fps loads to see if I can further reduce muzzle rise. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
yamadog35 28 Posted September 1, 2013 Report Share Posted September 1, 2013 Just weighed my new gun in factory config. Empty 5 round mag. 7.2 lbs I will be interested to see what it is after adding various goodies. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Get-n-Ready 8 Posted September 1, 2013 Author Report Share Posted September 1, 2013 Doesn't more weight equal less recoil? Quote Link to post Share on other sites
compshootfl 40 Posted September 1, 2013 Report Share Posted September 1, 2013 That's what everyone say's...but that never made any sense to me. If you put something in motion with a force, the heavier the object is the more force it excerts against whatever it is pressing against. It may be that the heavier the gun is, it takes more force to get it moving...so that's why there is less recoil. I'm no scientist, but that's what I think. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Get-n-Ready 8 Posted September 1, 2013 Author Report Share Posted September 1, 2013 That's what everyone say's...but that never made any sense to me. If you put something in motion with a force, the heavier the object is the more force it excerts against whatever it is pressing against. It may be that the heavier the gun is, it takes more force to get it moving...so that's why there is less recoil. I'm no scientist, but that's what I think. That's about what I was thinking. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
AR-12 Shotgun 16 Posted September 1, 2013 Report Share Posted September 1, 2013 Goes back to Force=mass x acceleration. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Tankin 1 Posted September 1, 2013 Report Share Posted September 1, 2013 Mine is just under 12 pounds w/10 rd mag, TAC-12 lower, Magpul ACS, and T&N L10 handguard Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Flatland Shooter 22 Posted September 2, 2013 Report Share Posted September 2, 2013 Goes back to Force=mass x acceleration. If we keep the weight of the gun constant and use the same loads each time, the force will remain constant. By increasing the mass, the acceleration (felt recoil) decreases. But as a competition shooter, I'm not so much concerned with recoil as I am about muzzle rise. In an open pistol with all the bells and whistles (those with a compensator and/or ports cut into the top of the barrel) we try to tune our loads to minimize sight movement. Minimum Power Factor to make Major in USPSA is 165. Folks with older style comps, designed when the Power Factor was 175, discovered that they could reduce the amount of powder used and still make Major. Decreasing the amount of powder will decrease recoil but the reduction in gas results in more muzzle rise. So to minimize that muzzle rise, we put up with increased recoil. (Or try to find a new combination of bullets and powder to meet out goals.) Bill Quote Link to post Share on other sites
AR-12 Shotgun 16 Posted September 3, 2013 Report Share Posted September 3, 2013 Getting off topic, but a humorous look at the effects of recoil. http://what-if.xkcd.com/21/ Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Flatland Shooter 22 Posted September 3, 2013 Report Share Posted September 3, 2013 Getting off topic, but a humorous look at the effects of recoil. http://what-if.xkcd.com/21/ I guess I'm spending too many dollars at the local Redbox. We watched a movie last week (I think it was either "Recall" or "Dredd") where the star was in a weightless environment and used a submachine gun for propulsion to float away from the enemy including a hard right turn down a hallway. I guess the Russians and Hollywood uses the same sources for ideas. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
toothandnail 275 Posted September 3, 2013 Report Share Posted September 3, 2013 Back on topic, mine weighs 9# 8oz F93 stock/stock adapter Full length side charger forend , top bottom and 2 side rails vertical grip Eotech XPS Shell stop Bad lever over size mag release Breacher choke Ergo original grip/grip adapter Trigger , disco, hammer Piston ,Guide rod adding a comp tomorrow +6oz 2 coupled mags with +1 base's and 24 rounds ammo add 4# 6oz or so depending on ammo SOOO close to 14# ready to ROCK-n- ROLL Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Get-n-Ready 8 Posted September 5, 2013 Author Report Share Posted September 5, 2013 Im in good company here....all my buds think it too heavy.I say it feels like a gun should. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
compshootfl 40 Posted September 5, 2013 Report Share Posted September 5, 2013 I would love to see someone make a carbon fiber forearm...it would cut the weight dramatically. The only thing I have noticed from the stock gun is the target to target transition has to be much more controlled with the extra weight swinging around...I sometimes overshoot my mark, a little less weight would help that alot. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
tonybia 1 Posted September 6, 2013 Report Share Posted September 6, 2013 I would love to see someone make a carbon fiber forearm...it would cut the weight dramatically. The only thing I have noticed from the stock gun is the target to target transition has to be much more controlled with the extra weight swinging around...I sometimes overshoot my mark, a little less weight would help that alot. Salem 6 does make a molded/injected forearm that is lighter. Has the option of adding weaver rails in a few different spots so you can change weight characteristics some... I have one on mine and so far its doing decent. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Mr.BlahX3 12 Posted September 7, 2013 Report Share Posted September 7, 2013 (edited) I like that the Salem 6's are light and kind of have a classic M4 look to them. Edited September 7, 2013 by Mr.BlahX3 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Skip2mylou 0 Posted September 30, 2013 Report Share Posted September 30, 2013 More weight generally means less momentum, which equals less sensible kick. The weight and gas operation offset some of it. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
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