Boba Debt 350 Posted September 3, 2013 Report Share Posted September 3, 2013 Well, which is it? Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Shandlanos 1,470 Posted September 3, 2013 Report Share Posted September 3, 2013 SBR. SBR. To the best of my knowledge, the only firearm with a buttstock that is defined as an AOW is one below the minimum OAL and/or barrel length(s) that has both a rifled bore and a smoothbore. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
U.S. Pratorean 1,234 Posted September 3, 2013 Report Share Posted September 3, 2013 SBR. If you put a stick on a handgun that enabled you to shoulder it, the goon squad calls that a rifle. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
beefcakeb99 572 Posted September 3, 2013 Report Share Posted September 3, 2013 A gimmick! That's what it really is! Quote Link to post Share on other sites
macbeau 902 Posted September 4, 2013 Report Share Posted September 4, 2013 A shoulder stock on a pistol makes it an SBR and a $200 transfer. If it only had the vertical fore grip, it would be an AOW and $200 to make, then $5 to transfer. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
zaxon_182 44 Posted September 14, 2013 Report Share Posted September 14, 2013 VFG + no stock +short barrel + OAL under 26" = AOW ($5) VFG + stock + short barrel = SBR ($200) Quote Link to post Share on other sites
poolingmyignorance 2,191 Posted September 15, 2013 Report Share Posted September 15, 2013 What is it? Waste of a perfectly good pistol. It's cool looking, but what sort of practical accuracy are you expecting to get from a 5" barrel at distance that requires a stock? The direct answer to your question is SBR. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
HB of CJ 1,263 Posted September 16, 2013 Report Share Posted September 16, 2013 Excellent answers already given. As pictured, a SBR and $200 TS. Remove the buttstock only; AOW and a $5.00 TS. Remove the buttstock AND vertical foregrip....maybe, (depends) maybe a pistol and no TS. IMHO only and I may be dead wrong. HB of CJ (old coot) Any removals would have to be made permanent, particularily the folding buttstock, like grinding off the bosses or hinges. I am not sure about mounts regarding removing/installing the vertical foregrip. If you do not, then you MAY have intent. Again...I may not be correct. Our local cool Class 3 gunshop has one on the wall. He says it is accurate. Very cool to fondle and stuff. Be fun to shoot. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
poolingmyignorance 2,191 Posted September 16, 2013 Report Share Posted September 16, 2013 Excellent answers already given. As pictured, a SBR and $200 TS. Remove the buttstock only; AOW and a $5.00 TS. Remove the buttstock AND vertical foregrip....maybe, (depends) maybe a pistol and no TS. IMHO only and I may be dead wrong. HB of CJ (old coot) Any removals would have to be made permanent, particularily the folding buttstock, like grinding off the bosses or hinges. I am not sure about mounts regarding removing/installing the vertical foregrip. If you do not, then you MAY have intent. Again...I may not be correct. Our local cool Class 3 gunshop has one on the wall. He says it is accurate. Very cool to fondle and stuff. Be fun to shoot. The "manufacture" of an AOW is a $200 stamp. The transfer to another party AFTER initial manufacture is only $5. The act of attaching the VFG legally is manufacturing the AOW. Before that it's just a pistol. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
MT Predator 2,294 Posted September 22, 2013 Report Share Posted September 22, 2013 My question is how you make this SBR made of an Austrian pistol with a shitload of Israeli parts in to one that is 922r compliant? Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Shandlanos 1,470 Posted September 23, 2013 Report Share Posted September 23, 2013 My question is how you make this SBR made of an Austrian pistol with a shitload of Israeli parts in to one that is 922r compliant? Not sure if it qualifies as an "assault weapon" to invoke 922r. Folding stock, pistol grip - not sure if that's technically a barrel shroud. With a threaded barrel, it would trigger 922r. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
MT Predator 2,294 Posted September 23, 2013 Report Share Posted September 23, 2013 (edited) My question is how you make this SBR made of an Austrian pistol with a shitload of Israeli parts in to one that is 922r compliant? Not sure if it qualifies as an "assault weapon" to invoke 922r. Folding stock, pistol grip - not sure if that's technically a barrel shroud. With a threaded barrel, it would trigger 922r.Well, you are making technically, a rifle with a pistol grip and folding stock, that has a detachable mag that can hold more than ten rounds so you just made an unsporting rifle if I am correct. Plus the issue of whether or not the shroud is considered a flash hider or not could add or subtract from the foreign parts count. It certainly isn't a brake. If it is a brake like on an imported PSL for example, it's okay from what I understand. I am awaiting a reply from the Tech Branch whether or not the shroud on a PPS-43 SBR is considered a flash hider to get my parts count legal. It too, doesn't appear to be a brake but the ATF MAY consider it to be a flash hider although it doesn't hide much flash. I'd be curious what the guys at the Tech Branch have to say in regards to the KPOS as it is all foreign parts. Edited September 23, 2013 by MT Predator Quote Link to post Share on other sites
ljarmy84 3 Posted October 6, 2013 Report Share Posted October 6, 2013 I didn't know the parts count applied to NFA items. I'm not doubting ya'lls knowledge on the matter but I've heard there was an ATF letter that declared just that. However, I've also heard that the ATF can ignore their own rulings and prosecute you anyways. I hope that isn't true but in these days there is no telling with the goon squad. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Shandlanos 1,470 Posted October 6, 2013 Report Share Posted October 6, 2013 I didn't know the parts count applied to NFA items. I'm not doubting ya'lls knowledge on the matter but I've heard there was an ATF letter that declared just that. However, I've also heard that the ATF can ignore their own rulings and prosecute you anyways. I hope that isn't true but in these days there is no telling with the goon squad. There have been conflicting opinion letters - unless you've personally received one saying you do not need to be 922r compliant, it's wisest to be conservative. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
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