EthanM 514 Posted September 5, 2013 Report Share Posted September 5, 2013 So I'm building an ar 15 pistol and am looking at lowers and colors. I was either planning on going with an fde aero precision lower or a black seekins precision forged lower. Anyone have experience with the seekins? The reason I thought about fde is the interior of most my cars are tan so it woul kinda match lol I am gonna be using this when I have to go up in the mountain. I am currently using a Draco for this. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Yugopap4me 29 Posted September 5, 2013 Report Share Posted September 5, 2013 No experience with them. But I like the look of the black one...mainly the front of the mag well haha. Why not stick with the Draco? Quote Link to post Share on other sites
EthanM 514 Posted September 5, 2013 Author Report Share Posted September 5, 2013 No experience with them. But I like the look of the black one...mainly the front of the mag well haha. Why not stick with the Draco? I like the Draco but I'm looking at building something smaller and like having the buffer tube to use as a cheek wield. They seem to be a little more controllable too. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
XD45 7,124 Posted September 5, 2013 Report Share Posted September 5, 2013 SBR the draco. 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
EthanM 514 Posted September 5, 2013 Author Report Share Posted September 5, 2013 SBR the draco. That's what I'm planning. Lol it would be a lot more controllable with a stock. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
XD45 7,124 Posted September 5, 2013 Report Share Posted September 5, 2013 (edited) I got an M92 PAP specifically to sbr (form 1 sent 6 months ago) but I have to say I was surprised that it wasn't hard to control like I expected. With a sling and a dot it could be used effectively to 100yds. Keep in mind on the AR that the 5.56 loses alot of velocity from a pistol barrel. Edited September 5, 2013 by Darth Saigus 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
MT Predator 2,294 Posted September 5, 2013 Report Share Posted September 5, 2013 (edited) Why an AR pistol? Why not SBR the AR? Both lowers look good however the black one encourages a magwell hold which isn't a good things as it can cause malfunctions for one. Two, most catastrophic failures with an AR blow through the magazine which is a weak point in the weapon. You don't want your dick beater holding on to that. ETA: I have heard the Aeros are good to go. Edited September 5, 2013 by MT Predator Quote Link to post Share on other sites
EthanM 514 Posted September 5, 2013 Author Report Share Posted September 5, 2013 Why an AR pistol? Why not SBR the AR? Both lowers look good however the black one encourages a magwell hold which isn't a good things as it can cause malfunctions for one. Two, most catastrophic failures with an AR blow through the magazine which is a weak point in the weapon. You don't want your dick beater holding on to that. ETA: I have heard the Aeros are good to go. I am building an ar pistol because I have a handgun carry permit and want to be able to through this in the car whenever I need to go up in the mountains or on long trips. Yeah I'm not a big fan of he mag well hold. like you said, gotta protect that hand. Lol Quote Link to post Share on other sites
MT Predator 2,294 Posted September 5, 2013 Report Share Posted September 5, 2013 Why can't you throw a long gun in the car and carry a pistol? Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Zombiehunter762 376 Posted September 5, 2013 Report Share Posted September 5, 2013 SBR the draco. That's what I did. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
SaigaNoobie 66 Posted September 5, 2013 Report Share Posted September 5, 2013 All of the SEEKINS products I own are top-notch. Go Seekins. IF you have any issues they will fix it at no charge. They have their own business forum on ARFCOM. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
breid1970 327 Posted September 5, 2013 Report Share Posted September 5, 2013 My buddy has one of these AR pistols. It seems very well made but its not my cup of tea. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
jwulf 179 Posted September 5, 2013 Report Share Posted September 5, 2013 We got an RRA PDS. Very nice if you want it complete when you get it. No buffer tube though as it is piston driven. Wife won't let me SBR it though cause of the stamp... (it's actually her pistol) Quote Link to post Share on other sites
EthanM 514 Posted September 5, 2013 Author Report Share Posted September 5, 2013 Why can't you throw a long gun in the car and carry a pistol? If there's room I generally just throw my bcm m4 behind the seat but most of the time I will have a lot of stuff with me depending on why I'm going. ( camping gear, hiking gear, camera equipment, or musical instruments depending on the occasion). I still have a pistol on me though ( well as long as I have my clothes on lol) but having a rifle caliber weapon that's small enough to say fit in a back pack or a really small space would be great. I got an M92 PAP specifically to sbr (form 1 sent 6 months ago) but I have to say I was surprised that it wasn't hard to control like I expected. With a sling and a dot it could be used effectively to 100yds. Keep in mind on the AR that the 5.56 loses alot of velocity from a pistol barrel. It does lose a lot of velocity but with 62 grain 556 it should be more than enough for what I might need it for. Most of the animals around here could be taken out pretty quickly. Bears would be my only real worry, but 30 rounds should be plenty. Lol the main thing I will have to worry about is people. There have been several armed robberies and that type of thing lately. All of the SEEKINS products I own are top-notch. Go Seekins. IF you have any issues they will fix it at no charge. They have their own business forum on ARFCOM. I really like the look of their stuff and have heard a lot of good things about them. We got an RRA PDS. Very nice if you want it complete when you get it. No buffer tube though as it is piston driven. Wife won't let me SBR it though cause of the stamp... (it's actually her pistol) I actually looked at one of these a couple days ago. It appears to be a nice weapon but I was kinda wanting the buffer tube. It would be sweet as an sbr... Quote Link to post Share on other sites
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Matthew Hopkins 1,065 Posted September 5, 2013 Report Share Posted September 5, 2013 Why an AR pistol? Why not SBR the AR? Both lowers look good however the black one encourages a magwell hold which isn't a good things as it can cause malfunctions for one. Two, most catastrophic failures with an AR blow through the magazine which is a weak point in the weapon. You don't want your dick beater holding on to that. ETA: I have heard the Aeros are good to go. I am building an ar pistol because I have a handgun carry permit and want to be able to through this in the car whenever I need to go up in the mountains or on long trips. Yeah I'm not a big fan of he mag well hold. like you said, gotta protect that hand. Lol if I was looking for a AR pistol, I would go with the OLYMPIC ARMS OA upper, there is no buffer tube, and SBR that. after the approval I would put a folding stock on it. when folded it it doesn't add a lot of length to it, and you can use that as a pistol, or unfold the stock and you can shoulder it 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
mostholycerebus 415 Posted September 5, 2013 Report Share Posted September 5, 2013 (edited) Seekins is a pretty good company. Aero Precision, during the panic, promised customers that they would not end up raising prices. They then raised prices. Then they took a bunch of orders for stock they had on hand. Seeing prices go nuts, Aero CANCELLED those existing orders for stock they had in-hand, raised prices again, then sold those lowers at the new higher price. Aero is good quality, but their customer service during the panic was in CTD territory. As such I, and many others, will not support their company. Edited September 5, 2013 by mostholycerebus 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Capt Nemo 882 Posted September 6, 2013 Report Share Posted September 6, 2013 Why an AR pistol? Why not SBR the AR? Both lowers look good however the black one encourages a magwell hold which isn't a good things as it can cause malfunctions for one. Two, most catastrophic failures with an AR blow through the magazine which is a weak point in the weapon. You don't want your dick beater holding on to that. ETA: I have heard the Aeros are good to go. I'll second the catastrophic failure part. They can blow the entire mag well off. I've watched it happen! Quote Link to post Share on other sites
MT Predator 2,294 Posted September 6, 2013 Report Share Posted September 6, 2013 Ethan, if you are worried enough about 2 or 4 legged critters, why would you want your primary weapon for such in a backpack? Sling that thing and ruck on! The handgun you carry is to fight your way to a long gun. If you already have the long gun with you, might as well have it at the ready. Why an AR pistol? Why not SBR the AR? Both lowers look good however the black one encourages a magwell hold which isn't a good things as it can cause malfunctions for one. Two, most catastrophic failures with an AR blow through the magazine which is a weak point in the weapon. You don't want your dick beater holding on to that. ETA: I have heard the Aeros are good to go. I'll second the catastrophic failure part. They can blow the entire mag well off. I've watched it happen!Yep, that is the designed "weak point" so it will fail there instead of the aluminum receiver parts up in front of your face. 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
EthanM 514 Posted September 6, 2013 Author Report Share Posted September 6, 2013 Ethan, if you are worried enough about 2 or 4 legged critters, why would you want your primary weapon for such in a backpack? Sling that thing and ruck on! The handgun you carry is to fight your way to a long gun. If you already have the long gun with you, might as well have it at the ready. Good point. The back pack is mainly for storage on my way there if there's too much crap in the truck. Once I get where I'm going then that baby is coming out! Lol but it will spend most of its time beside the seat. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
MT Predator 2,294 Posted September 6, 2013 Report Share Posted September 6, 2013 Then case it in the vehicle, when you hit the woods, make it ready. Problem solved. You don't need to build another "backpack" gun. Use what you have brother! Quote Link to post Share on other sites
EthanM 514 Posted September 6, 2013 Author Report Share Posted September 6, 2013 Then case it in the vehicle, when you hit the woods, make it ready. Problem solved. You don't need to build another "backpack" gun. Use what you have brother! But then I'd have to waste all my money on hookers! On second though, that sounds pretty good... Quote Link to post Share on other sites
XD45 7,124 Posted September 6, 2013 Report Share Posted September 6, 2013 Then case it in the vehicle, when you hit the woods, make it ready. Problem solved. You don't need to build another "backpack" gun. Use what you have brother! But then I'd have to waste all my money on hookers! On second though, that sounds pretty good... Hookers are cheaper in the long run. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
EthanM 514 Posted September 6, 2013 Author Report Share Posted September 6, 2013 Just saw this at psa website. Hmmmm.... I think I will stick with hookers though for now. You all convinced me lol. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
EthanM 514 Posted November 7, 2013 Author Report Share Posted November 7, 2013 Well I ended up finding a lower pretty cheap and decided to go ahead and build an ar pistol. Found all the parts on sell. Ice arms 7.5 barrel Aero precision lower Phase 5 pistol buffer tube PSA lower parts kit minus fcg Alg defense qms trigger Bcm gunfighter pistol grip On order: Troy claymore muzzle device Gas tube Blemished aero precision stripped upper PSA upper parts kit Still deciding on gas block and forearm Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Doug Hartley 526 Posted November 7, 2013 Report Share Posted November 7, 2013 I have a Seekins Precision Billet lower and one of their railed hand guards, both very high quality items. Plus they are really great guys and support and compete in 3 gun. I have handled the Aero Precision stuff and it seems good quality as well. They are just getting into supporting 3 gun and have some trick looking continuous optic rail uppers. Doug Quote Link to post Share on other sites
XD45 7,124 Posted November 7, 2013 Report Share Posted November 7, 2013 Is that an airsoft? 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
EthanM 514 Posted November 7, 2013 Author Report Share Posted November 7, 2013 Is that an airsoft? Na man. This is a paintball gun. I have a Seekins Precision Billet lower and one of their railed hand guards, both very high quality items. Plus they are really great guys and support and compete in 3 gun. I have handled the Aero Precision stuff and it seems good quality as well. They are just getting into supporting 3 gun and have some trick looking continuous optic rail uppers. Doug I was originally gonna do a seekins rail with a troy pig but decided yo keep length down. Kinda leaning toward the centurion arms forearm at the moment Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Sdustin 578 Posted November 7, 2013 Report Share Posted November 7, 2013 I know you said something about liking the buffer tube. You should think about getting a full sized one. They make it more reliable and you just use a carbine buffer. The rock river arms tube is cheap and works just like a carbine tube. Something to think about. I know the tube is not there to put against your shoulder but with the longer version that is a consideration. And my vote for handguard is a carbon free float then just run an aimpoint of eotech no irons. That would help keep it super lite. 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Spartacus 1,619 Posted November 7, 2013 Report Share Posted November 7, 2013 Under folder AK is pretty small and no SBR paperwork. Pretty close to the AR pistol with buffer tube I think and certainly a harder hitting round than .223 out of a short barrel. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
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