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Poll: Which autoloading .308 rifle? (42 member(s) have cast votes)

Which autoloading .308 rifle?

  1. LWRC R.E.P.R. (7 votes [16.67%])

    Percentage of vote: 16.67%

  2. PWS Mk2 mod 1 (1 votes [2.38%])

    Percentage of vote: 2.38%

  3. DSarms SA-58 (4 votes [9.52%])

    Percentage of vote: 9.52%

  4. Keltec RFB (0 votes [0.00%])

    Percentage of vote: 0.00%

  5. DPMS LR-308 (4 votes [9.52%])

    Percentage of vote: 9.52%

  6. POF P308 (0 votes [0.00%])

    Percentage of vote: 0.00%

  7. Sig-Sauer 716 Precision (0 votes [0.00%])

    Percentage of vote: 0.00%

  8. Saiga .308 conversion (12 votes [28.57%])

    Percentage of vote: 28.57%

  9. Not listed here (please elaborate) (14 votes [33.33%])

    Percentage of vote: 33.33%

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#31 macbeau

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Posted 15 December 2013 - 12:10 PM

My S308 weighs in at 7.8# as pictured below.

 

I have owned .308's in an  AR-10, FAL, GALIL S-308 and HK91.

 

S-308 - the most economical, lightest and most utilitarian...

AR-10 -  the most accurate,.but most expensive. (Kinghts Ind).  Also the most sensitive to dirt & fouling.

Galil - the most fun and coolest and best resale, but mags are the most expensive and hardest to get  (>$100 each). Pretty heavy too at about 11#.

FAL - the heaviest (11.4#) and longest OAL with 21" BBL, but cheap mags (~$4 each).

HK91 - the most painful to shoot with a collapsible / folding stock and hardest recoiling, but cheapest mags (<$3 each).

 

 

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Posted 15 December 2013 - 10:37 PM

Yeah the FAL is not light in it's historic configuration but I did get to hold an FAL made by DSA with an aluminum anodized trigger housing and it was actually surprisingly lighter in weight than I thought it would be.

 

Best ways to save weight on an FAL is the standard profile barrel (instead of a heavy barrel), polymer handguard, grip and stock, sand cut bolt carrier, polymer magazines (Yes they exist, I have some for my FAL) and an anodized aluminum trigger housing.  It all adds up.


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Posted 15 December 2013 - 11:11 PM

Yeah the FAL is not light in it's historic configuration but I did get to hold an FAL made by DSA with an aluminum anodized trigger housing and it was actually surprisingly lighter in weight than I thought it would be.
 
Best ways to save weight on an FAL is the standard profile barrel (instead of a heavy barrel), polymer handguard, grip and stock, sand cut bolt carrier, polymer magazines (Yes they exist, I have some for my FAL) and an anodized aluminum trigger housing.  It all adds up.


I was looking at the DSA models. Atlantic has them for 1099 right now. States that they are 9.5 lbs without mag. What was your impression of the one you had in your hand? If my understanding is correct, the are US new manufactures and not assembled from parts kits?

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Posted 15 December 2013 - 11:17 PM

 

Yeah the FAL is not light in it's historic configuration but I did get to hold an FAL made by DSA with an aluminum anodized trigger housing and it was actually surprisingly lighter in weight than I thought it would be.
 
Best ways to save weight on an FAL is the standard profile barrel (instead of a heavy barrel), polymer handguard, grip and stock, sand cut bolt carrier, polymer magazines (Yes they exist, I have some for my FAL) and an anodized aluminum trigger housing.  It all adds up.


I was looking at the DSA models. Atlantic has them for 1099 right now. States that they are 9.5 lbs without mag. What was your impression of the one you had in your hand? If my understanding is correct, the are US new manufactures and not assembled from parts kits?

 

 

The impression I had immediately when looking it over was that it was well made.  Yes, as far as I know, the DSA rifles are made 100% new in the US with no parts kits used.  They do also sell on the side foreign made FAL parts as well.  They claim they bought a complete set of blueprints from Steyr as well as the rights to manufacture the SA-58 FAL.

 

I also recommend for customization DSA's quick detach gas plug, it takes a relatively easy gas plug and makes it stupid easy.


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Posted 15 December 2013 - 11:46 PM

I will have to take a closer look at them. My interest has just been peaked.

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Posted 16 December 2013 - 01:13 AM

My vote sticks with a s308. Lighest and cheapest. Its no track driver but will take game easily at 200 yards with irons.

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Posted 06 February 2014 - 03:40 PM

I can't tell you which one to buy, but I think the REPR is not a good buy. It is a fine rifle and works, but it is very heavy, and I think you could pick two rifles that you would be equally happy with for the cost.

 

I do like the largely Ambi design, the FAL/ AR10 hybrid features, and general build quality. It would be the one to buy if it were $2300.



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Posted 08 February 2014 - 04:27 PM

Okay fellas......how about this Ruger 762, I just purchased it and my face is starting to hurt from the GIANT grin on it big_smile.gif

I put the magpul stock on it before leaving the store.

 

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Model Number: 5601 | Caliber: 308 Win / 7.62 NATO

Stock: Black Synthetic, Collapsible Finish: Manganese Phosphate / Hardcoat Anodized Sights: Folding Iron Sights Height: 8.00" Barrel Length: 16.12" Overall Length: 34.75" - 38.00" Width: 2.50" Weight: 8.60 lbs. Twist: 1:10" RH Grooves: 6 Length of Pull: 11.50" - 14.75" Capacity: 20     Suggested Retail: $2195.00

 

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Features:
  • Ruger® patented chrome-plated, two-stage piston with multi-stage regulator provides a cleaner, cooler running, reliable firearm with superior operating endurance. The two-stage piston provides a smooth power delivery stroke to the bolt carrier.
  • The four-position chrome-plated gas regulator can be adjusted for optimum reliability and superior operating endurance. The gas system may be closed completely for manual operation during training or when using a suppressor*.
  • Folding backup iron sights include a windage adjustable rear sight and an elevation adjustable front sight. These sights provide a solid, reliable aiming system that can be folded out of the way to make room for optics, but can be instantly redeployed if needed.
  • Six-position telescoping M4-style buttstock* is mounted on a Mil-Spec diameter tube.
  • Precision-rifled, chrome-lined, cold hammer-forged Mil-Spec 41V45 chrome-moly-vanadium steel barrel ensures accuracy and longevity.
  • Fluted barrel (for reduced weight and improved barrel cooling) features an SR-556®/Mini-14®-style flash suppressor* mounted with a 5/8"-24 thread.
  • Round, smooth-sided Ruger® Lightweight Adaptable handguard with flattop receiver features a Mil-Spec 1913 Picatinny rail at 12:00 position that extends the full length of the handguard. Drilled and tapped for additional rails at the 3:00, 6:00 and 9:00 positions (two additional rail sections included), providing ample space for mounting sights, lights, lasers or other accessories.
  • Hogue® Monogrip® pistol grip* adds comfort when carrying or shooting.
  • Chrome-plated bolt and chrome-plated one-piece bolt carrier with oversized and radiused rear bearing surface.
  • Also Includes: three 20-round magazines*; soft-sided case; three finger-grooved rail covers.

Edited by AA re-cvrd, 08 February 2014 - 06:17 PM.

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Posted 08 February 2014 - 08:08 PM

Okay fellas......how about this Ruger 762, I just purchased it and my face is starting to hurt from the GIANT grin on it :big_smile:
I put the magpul stock on it before leaving the store.
 
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Model Number: 5601 | Caliber: 308 Win / 7.62 NATO

Stock:

Black Synthetic, Collapsible

Finish:

Manganese Phosphate / Hardcoat Anodized

Sights:

Folding Iron Sights

Height:

8.00"

Barrel Length:

16.12"

Overall Length:

34.75" - 38.00"

Width:

2.50"

Weight:

8.60 lbs.

Twist:

1:10" RH

Grooves:

6

Length of Pull:

11.50" - 14.75"

Capacity:

20

 

 

Suggested Retail:

$2195.00
 



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Features:

  • Ruger® patented chrome-plated, two-stage piston with multi-stage regulator provides a cleaner, cooler running, reliable firearm with superior operating endurance. The two-stage piston provides a smooth power delivery stroke to the bolt carrier.
  • The four-position chrome-plated gas regulator can be adjusted for optimum reliability and superior operating endurance. The gas system may be closed completely for manual operation during training or when using a suppressor*.
  • Folding backup iron sights include a windage adjustable rear sight and an elevation adjustable front sight. These sights provide a solid, reliable aiming system that can be folded out of the way to make room for optics, but can be instantly redeployed if needed.
  • Six-position telescoping M4-style buttstock* is mounted on a Mil-Spec diameter tube.
  • Precision-rifled, chrome-lined, cold hammer-forged Mil-Spec 41V45 chrome-moly-vanadium steel barrel ensures accuracy and longevity.
  • Fluted barrel (for reduced weight and improved barrel cooling) features an SR-556®/Mini-14®-style flash suppressor* mounted with a 5/8"-24 thread.
  • Round, smooth-sided Ruger® Lightweight Adaptable handguard with flattop receiver features a Mil-Spec 1913 Picatinny rail at 12:00 position that extends the full length of the handguard. Drilled and tapped for additional rails at the 3:00, 6:00 and 9:00 positions (two additional rail sections included), providing ample space for mounting sights, lights, lasers or other accessories.
  • Hogue® Monogrip® pistol grip* adds comfort when carrying or shooting.
  • Chrome-plated bolt and chrome-plated one-piece bolt carrier with oversized and radiused rear bearing surface.
  • Also Includes: three 20-round magazines*; soft-sided case; three finger-grooved rail covers.

Holy crap! That's awesome! Congrats, AA! After reading the specs, I am drooling! Ruger is an awesome company, I am sure it's going to be amazing!

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Posted 08 February 2014 - 10:04 PM

I have two 7.62 X 51 auto loaders. One is my FN SCAR 17 that I picked up in March of 2013 as the nutso period was calming down. I have added a Geissele trigger, a Leupold 1.25X4 VX-R scope in an AD Delta mount, very pleased with how the gun shoots.  I also got a good supply of FN mags at $35 each shipped as those who paid through the nose realized they had overbought and decided to thin their herds.  The second is a CETME which if a Spanish made copy of the HK 91. When I bought the CETME it came with four 20 round mags and I bought ten more just to have.

 

The SCAR is much more accurate than the CETME but both do an adequate job of sending ammo down range without hiccuping.

 

I also have an Armalite AR 10T match rifle in .243 that I keep thinking I will pick up a .308 upper for but to date haven't got around to it.

 

I am still pondering a Saiga rifle, but am leaning toward a 5.45 X 39 if I decide to take that leap.


Edited by Inspector 12, 08 February 2014 - 10:05 PM.


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Posted 09 February 2014 - 12:25 AM

The Cetme auto .308 is actually a Spanish design (aided by post WW2 German gun designers). HK bought the design and expanded on it.

Mine has almost no recoil and the muzzle-break will blow the ammo boxes of the bench next to me. :)

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Posted 09 February 2014 - 10:35 AM

M1A/M14 Semi with a synthetic stock. Great gun. Very accurate. Dirt tolerant. Parts easy to get. Upgradeable, but who needs to? Issued to US snipers/designated marksmen. 


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Posted 20 February 2014 - 03:20 PM

I'm building A Mega MATEN, just got a matched set from Rainier yesterday. I don't have a full parts list yet but after researching 308 ARs for a few years it's what I decided on. If I wasn't going to build one I would have gotten an M&P 10 to start with. If money was no limit, It would be a toss up between the JPLRP-07, LWRC REPR, LMT MWS and the PWS. All three of those rifles are bad ass, but overkill for what I want. Larue OBR and Knights SR-25 are among the best but I think there are better options at that price point.



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Posted 28 February 2014 - 07:19 PM

vepr 308 hunter or a super vepr in 308 for accuracy, saiga for everything else.

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Posted 23 September 2014 - 06:41 AM

FNAR tack driver out of the box!
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Posted 29 July 2016 - 06:17 AM

https://en.wikipedia.../wiki/M14_rifle

 

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Posted 29 July 2016 - 06:30 AM

https://en.wikipedia.../wiki/M14_rifle
 
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Posted 29 July 2016 - 03:02 PM

^^^^Doesn't matter those M14s are pure sexy!
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Posted 30 July 2016 - 04:09 PM

^^^^Doesn't matter those M14s are pure sexy!

My point exactly.

 

Apparently, my post upset one of our n00bs.


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Posted 30 July 2016 - 04:37 PM

^^^^Doesn't matter those M14s are pure sexy!

My point exactly.
 
Apparently, my post upset one of our n00bs.
If a year and a half counts as a noob. Also if I was upset, which I wasn't.
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Posted 30 July 2016 - 04:42 PM

 

 

^^^^Doesn't matter those M14s are pure sexy!

My point exactly.
 
Apparently, my post upset one of our n00bs.
If a year and a half counts as a noob. Also if I was upset, which I wasn't.

 

It does.


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Posted 31 July 2016 - 07:21 AM

The Cetme auto .308 is actually a Spanish design (aided by post WW2 German gun designers). HK bought the design and expanded on it.

Mine has almost no recoil and the muzzle-break will blow the ammo boxes of the bench next to me. smile.png

 

I have a PTR-91 carbine and love it.  The sighting system was new to me, but absolutely amazing.  Have wood and plastic (OEM) furniture for it.  Just a joy to shoot and have a box of bran new mags that cost like $20 or so. 



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Posted 08 August 2016 - 04:03 PM

 

The Cetme auto .308 is actually a Spanish design (aided by post WW2 German gun designers). HK bought the design and expanded on it.

Mine has almost no recoil and the muzzle-break will blow the ammo boxes of the bench next to me. smile.png

 

I have a PTR-91 carbine and love it.  The sighting system was new to me, but absolutely amazing.  Have wood and plastic (OEM) furniture for it.  Just a joy to shoot and have a box of bran new mags that cost like $20 or so. 

 


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Posted 19 January 2017 - 09:47 PM

PTR91s are pretty awesome, something great about hurling your brass almost to the 25yrd bullet trap when you shoot at the indoor range. 


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Posted 04 February 2017 - 10:53 PM

Damn Spacehog, this post is still going.  lol

 

Well since we're posting pictures it seems.  Here's the FAL.  Also other .308s I have are in my gallery.

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Posted 05 February 2017 - 12:11 AM

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