IndyArms 10,186 Posted September 29, 2013 Report Share Posted September 29, 2013 So... if I were to jam a dowel in the barrel and plug up THAT end of the gas port... and then pour molten lead into the gas block, from the bolt carrier end... filling the gas block completely with lead... then remove the dowel rod ... How would that work to " permanently modify" the Saiga to be a " Single Shot" rifle... requiring a racking of the bolt for EACH and EVERY shot... much like a " Bolt Action" rifle?!?!?!? What are your thoughts and opinions on this mod??? How about I weld a magazine to the receiver.... no longer DETACHABLE MAGAZINE CAPABLE... no longer an assault weapon... no need to register... LOL how about THAT??? now must it be a 10??? what about a 20 or 30 round *NON* DETACHABLE magazine?!?!?! Tell me to move out of NY and I will stick you on permanent mod preview... LOL Looking for a " loophole" to avoid potential " registration" of AK style rifles. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
ChileRelleno 7,071 Posted September 29, 2013 Report Share Posted September 29, 2013 I would have done moved... Oh that's right I did move, leaving Kalifornia was one of my better ideas in life. And so glad I did, they're making NYS look 2A friendly. I don't think the lead would be considered permanent, too easy to remove with relatively low heat. G'luck with your endeavor. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Capt Nemo 882 Posted September 29, 2013 Report Share Posted September 29, 2013 Hell, I should have sent you my factory gas plug! Set that plug to #1, and tack weld it, and you wouldn't have enough gas to cycle anything! Too bad I done fixed it! Filling with lead would still be removeable and not permanent. Better solution is to fill the politicians with lead and they won't work again! 3 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Shandlanos 1,470 Posted September 29, 2013 Report Share Posted September 29, 2013 A cutoff valve welded in the shutoff position should work - not sure if you can make a Yugo gas block work on a Saiga, but it's worth looking into. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
liberty -r- death 1,445 Posted September 29, 2013 Report Share Posted September 29, 2013 I would consult a legit 2nd ammendment attorney. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
tsc91 9 Posted September 29, 2013 Report Share Posted September 29, 2013 I would think that welding the gas block closed would be good enough to get your desired results. It may slightly increase the bullet velocity too. Ever see the pump action WASRs? Quote Link to post Share on other sites
ChileRelleno 7,071 Posted September 29, 2013 Report Share Posted September 29, 2013 (edited) Better solution is to fill the politicians with lead and they won't work again! Would not be surprised if you were visited by one of the Alphabet Agencies. Whatever you do to it, I'd suggest having the mods approved and signed off on by the NYSP. Edited September 29, 2013 by ChileRelleno Quote Link to post Share on other sites
IndyArms 10,186 Posted September 29, 2013 Author Report Share Posted September 29, 2013 Hell, I should have sent you my factory gas plug! Set that plug to #1, and tack weld it, and you wouldn't have enough gas to cycle anything! Too bad I done fixed it! Filling with lead would still be removeable and not permanent. Not sure how a gas plug would work on all the models of rifles... I suppose lead would be a " temporary" solution... so how about welding a ball bearing into the gas block??? a flat round disk welded into the gas block??? needs to be " permanent" .... but like we all know... reversible... with enough smithing... but not EASILY done... Quote Link to post Share on other sites
jojo200517 68 Posted September 29, 2013 Report Share Posted September 29, 2013 For a rifle how about getting one of those unfinished gas blocks (ya know the one that comes up if you search gas block on centerfire systems website) and just don't drill the gas port thru it. Keep your original hidden, switching back would be as simple as swapping gas blocks. For the S12, ship it to me and i'll keep it safe from your yankee laws down here in SC. 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Capt Nemo 882 Posted September 29, 2013 Report Share Posted September 29, 2013 I kept thinking shotgun! Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Spacehog 2,218 Posted September 29, 2013 Report Share Posted September 29, 2013 For a rifle how about getting one of those unfinished gas blocks (ya know the one that comes up if you search gas block on centerfire systems website) and just don't drill the gas port thru it. Keep your original hidden, switching back would be as simple as swapping gas blocks. For the S12, ship it to me and i'll keep it safe from your yankee laws down here in SC. ^^^ this was my first thought as well. I do not know the specifics of the NY laws now, but I can't imagine politicians are intelligent enough to ban gas blocks. Modify one for single shot, and retain a factory one. 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
liberty -r- death 1,445 Posted September 29, 2013 Report Share Posted September 29, 2013 After thinking about it alot. Since you aren't considering moving. I'd rather register than turn a semi auto into a single shot, but I'd move before registering. Hope that doesn't put me on proof status. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
DLT 1,646 Posted September 29, 2013 Report Share Posted September 29, 2013 If it's an S12 just remove the puck. It won't cycle without it. Or just get a cheap replacement gas plug and drill a hole through it so it vents all the gas out. Can't cycle like that either. If it's a rifle you are talking about, drill out the dimple on the gas piston and remove it. Problem solved. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
nlacy 692 Posted September 29, 2013 Report Share Posted September 29, 2013 (edited) making a single shot Saiga is blasphemy Edited September 29, 2013 by mizombiekilla Quote Link to post Share on other sites
6500rpm 670 Posted September 30, 2013 Report Share Posted September 30, 2013 (edited) You already know ATF has the final say. My 2c is just weld up the gas port hole in the gas block (don't do a ball bearing, it's probably harder than the weld). Easy to do, fairly easy to reverse after you pull the block, just open back up with an endmill through access hole. I still say at least go pump along the lines of the PAR1/PAR3 AK's. And I'd install a Cali compliant bullet button if that's deemed legal for whatever reason you're after. Good luck http://www.gunbroker.com/Auction/ViewItem.aspx?Item=368221337 Edited September 30, 2013 by 6500rpm Quote Link to post Share on other sites
sobrenegade 795 Posted September 30, 2013 Report Share Posted September 30, 2013 Build a false wall in one of your closets and tell them when they come it's in Oneida or Panther Lake. Could they prove it wasn't or do you have to report guns that fall overboard? A co-worker back in '77 had me dive in a lake near Rome trying to recover his Browning which he lost, while in a canoe. I'm sure the laws have changed, but he didn't have to tell. Probably didn't want anyone to know. Just a thought, have two bolts, one with and one without the gas rod. Thread the one without the rod with a proper size metric bolt, quick weld job and smooth off the head of the threaded bolt. Maybe Tony has some thoughts. I'm not much help, but this sort of thing helped me decide to leave NY, and still waiting for my pistol permit for over a year and not getting it. Moving is not always as easy to do as some think it is, especially those that don't have to. Good luck, I hope for your and other's sake it doesn't come down to mutilating your guns. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
YOT 3,743 Posted September 30, 2013 Report Share Posted September 30, 2013 (edited) You can remove the puck, then pin and weld the factory plug in the gas block. (?) *shrugs* A very light tack so the weld could be ground off and the pin removed, and the GB repaired if the occasion ever arose to do so. ETA: I was thinking shotgun, not rifle. Again, pin and weld? Edited September 30, 2013 by Yeoldetool Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Sim_Player 1,939 Posted September 30, 2013 Report Share Posted September 30, 2013 (edited) I'm sorry that you have to consider such things. Fucking "Progressive" Politicians keep messing with law-abiding citizens. I hope they all die an untimely, painful, natural death. Any word on the legal challenge? Just weld up the gas block hole and use 10 rnd mags. Doesn't the law require you to surrender or sell your hi-caps? Has anybody talked about openly challenging the law? Do the police really want to enforce this? You are in a unique position to "call bullshit". They are counting on thousands of people to comply with an unconstitutional law passed in the middle of the night. We should just turn them all in now, if we aren't willing to fight on every front, including peaceful non-compliance. If they know that there are probably 20,000 rifles in the state but, only 5,000 rifles are registered are they going to go door-to-door looking for them? Is it going to be worth the prosecutor's time to try to convict each case? Do they have enough prison cells? Case in point..... In Seattle, WA, the State Prosecutor refuses to put minors, involved in gun crimes, in prison because it's not cost effective. They will convict around the 5th offense, for posession of a firearm. It would overwhelm the system. Only civil compliance will allow this law to stay. Move your guns to a safe place (modify them, if you wish) and then call the police and tell them you have no intention of complying and that they are no longer on the property. Call everyone you know (even if the don't own guns) and advise the same. This is called resistance. We are losing ground everday, if we just "comply". "Comply" and you are cementing the new law. Stand your ground. Don't make us take it back later. Edited September 30, 2013 by Sim_Player Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Remek 771 Posted September 30, 2013 Report Share Posted September 30, 2013 Honestly, the term easily is vague. Any advice could lead you to having to appear in court in the end, to prove it's not "easily" done. Hell, any gun can be converted to full auto with the right amount of work. Is it easily done? Is it easily done for a blacksmith? Is it easily done for a guy with some metal working tools? Is it easily done for a carpenter? Who the heck knows. I don't know the law, but I'd go the route of welding on a mag, which is permanently modified to hold only "less than seven" or whatever, and move on. Meantime, keep working to repeal the SAFE act. Giving up is just losing ground. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
storm6490 2,768 Posted September 30, 2013 Report Share Posted September 30, 2013 You would need to silver solder something in so that it couldn't easily be turned back into a semi auto loading rifle. May I suggest you just bury your rifle for a few years. Or better yet, go full auto with it and enjoy it before they kill you for owning a certain tool. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Sdustin 578 Posted September 30, 2013 Report Share Posted September 30, 2013 Four words. "Shall not be infringed" id say they are infringing pretty fucking hard in new york and id tell the state where to stick it. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
IndyArms 10,186 Posted September 30, 2013 Author Report Share Posted September 30, 2013 i can ship all my questionable mags and rifles to myself C/O my father in Penn, totally legally... I would like to retain a few AK's in a shootable, yet NON REGISTERED and legal to posess should the safe act NOT be repealed... My AR's are non issues... back doors/loopholes for those are all set. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
menace667 194 Posted September 30, 2013 Report Share Posted September 30, 2013 Seems it would be smarter to store them at your fathers residence until after the SAFE act is upheld or repealed. If upheld, taking it to a gunsmith in your local and having it "permanently" modified to "bolt action" (should qualify for that if you have to rack the bolt before every round, regardless of the actual motion of the bolt). This removed any intent to own an illegal firearm should you ever be challenged on it. An at home "hack job" (itrespective of actual work quality) would hold much less weight in court than a professional modification would. Plus federal law has already allowed a tack weld to be considered permanent (see VEPR FSF stock importation) Quote Link to post Share on other sites
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