corbin 621 Posted November 15, 2013 Report Share Posted November 15, 2013 Yesterday, the MI State Senate Judiciary Committee UNANIMOUSLY approved a bill that would make short barreled shotguns and short barreled rifles legal here in Michigan. You'd still have to go through all the NFA stuff, pay your $200 and everything, but it's looking like we'll finally get our shorties. I've got an S12 I've been wanting to have cut down for some time now. That's assuming the Gov. signs it. http://www.mlive.com/politics/index.ssf/2013/10/michigan_senate_panel_approves_2.html The article mentions that shorties would still be regulated under MI's pistol laws, but I was under the impression that they did away with that law last year. Hmmmm....... So if a SBS is considered a "pistol" here in MI, does that mean my State license to possess a pistol on my person or in my vehicle applies? Quote Link to post Share on other sites
sunnybean 939 Posted November 15, 2013 Report Share Posted November 15, 2013 Good for you guys.! It's nice to see some battles won for a change. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Shandlanos 1,470 Posted November 15, 2013 Report Share Posted November 15, 2013 Yesterday, the MI State Senate Judiciary Committee UNANIMOUSLY approved a bill that would make short barreled shotguns and short barreled rifles legal here in Michigan. You'd still have to go through all the NFA stuff, pay your $200 and everything, but it's looking like we'll finally get our shorties. I've got an S12 I've been wanting to have cut down for some time now. That's assuming the Gov. signs it. http://www.mlive.com/politics/index.ssf/2013/10/michigan_senate_panel_approves_2.html The article mentions that shorties would still be regulated under MI's pistol laws, but I was under the impression that they did away with that law last year. Hmmmm....... So if a SBS is considered a "pistol" here in MI, does that mean my State license to possess a pistol on my person or in my vehicle applies? Presumably so! Here in Nebraska, concealed carry only applies to "handguns," but a handgun is anything intended to be held and fired with one hand, or with a barrel length under 16" - so SBR and SBS, even a machine gun with a short enough barrel, are all legit for concealed carry. But shotguns, regardless of barrel length, cannot be carried in a vehicle loaded, with or without a CHL. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
read_the_wall 614 Posted November 16, 2013 Report Share Posted November 16, 2013 I am so jealous right now.... I hate Washington state. They keep pushing our sbr bill off till next year,,,,then the next,,,,then the next,,,,, what length on the S12 Corbin ?? Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Matthew Hopkins 1,065 Posted November 16, 2013 Report Share Posted November 16, 2013 (edited) if it does come to allowing you to have a SBR/SBS in Mi, just hope your CLEO will sign your form 1. because if he won't, it's really doesn't amount to a hill of beans if the law changes, when the NFA rule changes, by making a trust a individual, requiring photo, fingerprint cards AND CLEO SIGN OFF, on NFA items Edited November 16, 2013 by Matthew Hopkins Quote Link to post Share on other sites
nlacy 692 Posted November 16, 2013 Report Share Posted November 16, 2013 hells yeah! Quote Link to post Share on other sites
corbin 621 Posted November 16, 2013 Author Report Share Posted November 16, 2013 what length on the S12 Corbin ?? Not sure. Not super short though. Probably 10" to 12", I think. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
nlacy 692 Posted November 16, 2013 Report Share Posted November 16, 2013 So if we can get SBR's in MI, know any shops in southeast MI that will sell them? Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Remek 771 Posted November 16, 2013 Report Share Posted November 16, 2013 I am not sure how the federal government can ignore the constitution, but the states cannot ignore the federal government. Congrats on inching a smidge closer to constitutional government. 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
read_the_wall 614 Posted November 17, 2013 Report Share Posted November 17, 2013 what length on the S12 Corbin ?? Not sure. Not super short though. Probably 10" to 12", I think. I may have a rail for it.....pm me if you want it. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
brad cole 65 Posted November 18, 2013 Report Share Posted November 18, 2013 when this goes thru Im applying, and would love me a 10 inch vepr 12.then a 410 saiga for a "snake" gun compact enough to holster on my tractor with a 30 rd drum. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
nlacy 692 Posted November 19, 2013 Report Share Posted November 19, 2013 Anyone know what kind of timeline we're looking at for approval of this law??? I guess it's time to start saving now... Quote Link to post Share on other sites
YARP 300 Posted November 20, 2013 Report Share Posted November 20, 2013 Anyone know what kind of timeline we're looking at for approval of this law??? I guess it's time to start saving now... So if we can get SBR's in MI, know any shops in southeast MI that will sell them? Timeline: A long time before you'll actually get it in your hands, LOL! That I'm aware of schupbachs in Jackson has a class III and A2 Arms probably does to. Super excited for this, hope Tromix waiting list isn't to long! Quote Link to post Share on other sites
nlacy 692 Posted November 22, 2013 Report Share Posted November 22, 2013 Anyone know what kind of timeline we're looking at for approval of this law??? I guess it's time to start saving now... So if we can get SBR's in MI, know any shops in southeast MI that will sell them? Timeline: A long time before you'll actually get it in your hands, LOL! That I'm aware of schupbachs in Jackson has a class III and A2 Arms probably does to. Super excited for this, hope Tromix waiting list isn't to long! Thanks Yarp! I was in AA Arms and overheard them saying they will have their class III license soon. I know it's going to be a while, but after waiting for pmags and bcg for most of 2013 I think I've got the patience. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
XdamagedX 248 Posted November 23, 2013 Report Share Posted November 23, 2013 I've always wanted some type of Draco with a stock... I mean Krinkov ;-) 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
brad cole 65 Posted December 8, 2013 Report Share Posted December 8, 2013 any new info,anyone? Quote Link to post Share on other sites
nlacy 692 Posted January 16, 2014 Report Share Posted January 16, 2014 anyone hear whispers of this really happening? Quote Link to post Share on other sites
brad cole 65 Posted January 16, 2014 Report Share Posted January 16, 2014 nada Quote Link to post Share on other sites
haugpatr 972 Posted January 16, 2014 Report Share Posted January 16, 2014 I really want to turn a $70 Bubba'd Mosin into a $270 Obrez! 2 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
ptthere 5 Posted January 16, 2014 Report Share Posted January 16, 2014 Good to hear. Now if Iowa would get on board... Quote Link to post Share on other sites
nlacy 692 Posted February 18, 2014 Report Share Posted February 18, 2014 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kxu2_w1cbnU Quote Link to post Share on other sites
nlacy 692 Posted March 23, 2014 Report Share Posted March 23, 2014 (edited) passed by House and Senate for immediate effect, so just waiting for Gov. to sign I think. Unless I'm missing something. http://www.legislature.mi.gov/(S(rxf1ni55zkqivnis2glebl3v))/mileg.aspx?page=BillStatus&objectname=2013-SB-0610 Edited March 23, 2014 by mizombiekilla 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
YARP 300 Posted March 26, 2014 Report Share Posted March 26, 2014 passed by House and Senate for immediate effect, so just waiting for Gov. to sign I think. Unless I'm missing something. http://www.legislature.mi.gov/(S(rxf1ni55zkqivnis2glebl3v))/mileg.aspx?page=BillStatus&objectname=2013-SB-0610 Nope, your not missing anything. If the Governor doesn't sign the law will still go in to effect. I don't know the timeline on that though. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
nlacy 692 Posted March 26, 2014 Report Share Posted March 26, 2014 passed by House and Senate for immediate effect, so just waiting for Gov. to sign I think. Unless I'm missing something. http://www.legislature.mi.gov/(S(rxf1ni55zkqivnis2glebl3v))/mileg.aspx?page=BillStatus&objectname=2013-SB-0610 Nope, your not missing anything. If the Governor doesn't sign the law will still go in to effect. I don't know the timeline on that though. I think he's got 2 weeks. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
nlacy 692 Posted March 28, 2014 Report Share Posted March 28, 2014 It says approved by Governor, but has a date of 4/22 next to it. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
corbin 621 Posted March 28, 2014 Author Report Share Posted March 28, 2014 Now I gotta decide if I want to SBR my Draco or SBS my Saiga 12 first. Hmmmmm.... 2 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
nlacy 692 Posted March 28, 2014 Report Share Posted March 28, 2014 Now I gotta decide if I want to SBR my Draco or SBS my Saiga 12 first. Hmmmmm.... If I'm reading it right, under 26" is still a pistol in MI and I don't think you can put a pistol in a trust because in MI it needs to be registered to an individual which limits things a little. So you still need the CLEO sign off and can't efile. Pls correct me if I'm wrong. I'm thinking a 12.5 BCM which would come in at over 27". Quote Link to post Share on other sites
corbin 621 Posted March 28, 2014 Author Report Share Posted March 28, 2014 I'm not sure if that's the case or not. If so, then a MAC-10 or any other full auto that's under 26" couldn't be put in a trust. I THINK that once it's an NFA item, it's not subject to the same rules. I'm no expert though. I have met a guy that had one of those AOW Mossberg 500 "serbu" shotguns that was through his NFA trust though. It was DEFINITELY under 26". 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
YARP 300 Posted March 29, 2014 Report Share Posted March 29, 2014 You will still be able to put it in a trust. 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
nlacy 692 Posted March 29, 2014 Report Share Posted March 29, 2014 (edited) know any dealers who will be selling SBR's? And here's what the State Police say: http://content.govdelivery.com/attachments/MIMSP/2014/03/27/file_attachments/281097/MSP%2BLegal%2BUpdate%2BNo.%2B106.pdf Under 26" it has to be registered as a pistol in MI. Though it sounds like you guys are saying you can put a pistol in a trust. Edited March 29, 2014 by mizombiekilla Quote Link to post Share on other sites
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