jpnrm96 70 Posted November 19, 2013 Report Share Posted November 19, 2013 I received this e-mail the other morning. You can imagine my surprise when I read it. After the initial setbacks with the release, things seemed to be going well. Obviously the product is selling. If Bjorn is indeed ending production and this isn't just a genius marketing ploy, maybe he will give/sell the rights of ownership and production. I hadn't seen anything else about this on the forum. But hey, I spent 45 minutes looking for a 10mm boxed end wrench that I had in my hand the entire time. Kushnapup availability email0001.pdf Quote Link to post Share on other sites
csspecs 1,987 Posted November 19, 2013 Report Share Posted November 19, 2013 Often times a product does not generate the profit needed for its cost of operation.. Or the molds could have been damaged. Example: If I was only selling saiga .308 magazines I would need a full time job to eat, and the machines would sit idle for months on end. Just because you make something does not mean you'll be profitable. 6 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
jpnrm96 70 Posted November 19, 2013 Author Report Share Posted November 19, 2013 Point well made. I spent a total of 30 years in the auto parts business. I should have known that. They say the first thing to go is the mind. The reasons could be boundless. Had a customer in LA that serviced a car club. after 10 years he got so fed up with people trying to scam him he just quit. Not saying that is the case here. Just hate to see a nifty product go by the way side. There are so many things that can be done with that stock. I haven't looked in awhile, but how are the trials going on the S12 mags? Quote Link to post Share on other sites
YOT 3,743 Posted November 19, 2013 Report Share Posted November 19, 2013 Anybody heard from BattleRifleG3 lately? He used to do some beautiful work. Businesses come and businesses go. 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
liberty -r- death 1,445 Posted November 19, 2013 Report Share Posted November 19, 2013 It's hard to keep a business going that's 5 years behind. 5 years ago this stock would have been popular and likely sold shit ton of product, but with the Saiga sporter market drying with the lack of imports the market this is intended for has gone away. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Superhawk138 202 Posted November 19, 2013 Report Share Posted November 19, 2013 Anybody heard from BattleRifleG3 lately? He used to do some beautiful work. Businesses come and businesses go. He stopped by on the 3rd of this month. http://forum.saiga-12.com/index.php?/topic/43217-anyone-got-a-response-from-battlerifleg3/&do=findComment&comment=941219 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
YOT 3,743 Posted November 20, 2013 Report Share Posted November 20, 2013 Yeah I saw that after posting. The thread made me think of him is all. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Bigtwin 219 Posted November 20, 2013 Report Share Posted November 20, 2013 Man I hate to see any small company go under! Although the bullpup design is not for me, I would hope that they can at least make a few bucks selling off the design to a larger company that can afford to continue the product(just because I am not fond of the bullpup does not mean others feel the same). I know it is tough to be the little guy in this country, as business go, but at some point if it is not profitable, it is time to move on! Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Cobra 76 two 2,677 Posted November 20, 2013 Report Share Posted November 20, 2013 The time is ripe for a brand new S-12 Bullpup design to emerge! Just sayin. 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
IndyArms 10,186 Posted November 20, 2013 Report Share Posted November 20, 2013 Centerbalance needs to get their shit out pronto!! Been WAITING for one of those for YEARS now, too!!! Quote Link to post Share on other sites
gunfun 3,931 Posted November 21, 2013 Report Share Posted November 21, 2013 I think center balance has had them out for a while. the issue is he makes them in small, expensive batches. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Cobra 76 two 2,677 Posted November 21, 2013 Report Share Posted November 21, 2013 I think center balance has had them out for a while. the issue is he makes them in small, expensive batches. Just out of curiosity, what would really be considered "expensive" for a drop in kit that completely transforms your weapon into something better, shorter, and faster using actual high quality parts? I mean not a mass produced injection molded cookie cutter kit, but something more traditional, sturdy and modular. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
gunfun 3,931 Posted November 21, 2013 Report Share Posted November 21, 2013 I mean more than I can afford. To other guys, it might be cheap. A ~$400 accessory is expensive to me, even if it might be worth it. "Expensive" could be a number a lot less than the cost of manufacturing. Center Balance's price is a number that is more than half the price of the base gun. It's a lot less than having a conversion done by some shops, so "expensive" is also obviously a term relative to other considerations. "Expensive" is also relative to the overall quality and level of improvement, or value. His kit looked well made but very heavy. His quality is obviously high, but the weight factors against the overall improvement. Style, exclusivity and personalization are also aspects of value. So to me, that makes me less interested in his S12 kit, but still kinda interested. I'd like to try one, but I'm not in line to buy one. His draco kit, on the other hand has a BATF letter saying it still counts as a pistol. In WA, that's a bargain at almost any price. The value of that package is a lot higher to me. It think the overall package is more appealing stylistically too. The Mosin Nagant kit just looks silly to me. (If I wanted a mosin, my primary interest would be either collecting history, or having a cheap shooter, not having something I can balance in one hand.) A $200 tax stamp is expensive to me too, but someday I would like to have a few. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
YOT 3,743 Posted November 21, 2013 Report Share Posted November 21, 2013 When I contacted CenterBalance for a unit for my Mossberg Plinkster, which I know would be TWICE the price of the gun, I got this for a response. We no longer offer a unit for the 702 - Best regards, Bernie Rolfe Too bad, so sad. I know I could have sold the ATI Tactical set-up it's in now and recouped a good portion of the expense of the CB stock. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
cahal 0 Posted November 29, 2013 Report Share Posted November 29, 2013 Thanks for the heads up on the KPUP. Lit a fire under me to get mine ASAP. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
storm6490 2,768 Posted November 30, 2013 Report Share Posted November 30, 2013 It doesn't surprise me at all. That thing was a novelty and was built on a dream and sketchy means of obtaining the start up cash. When it finally came out, just in time to avoid getting sued or aced, it was on the level of a prototype where customers had to modify the product to make it work on a very simple receiver. It may be injection molded impact resistant polymer but, it will always be a shitty stock. Good riddance to bad rubbish. 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
scstrain 8 Posted September 8, 2016 Report Share Posted September 8, 2016 It doesn't surprise me at all. That thing was a novelty and was built on a dream and sketchy means of obtaining the start up cash. When it finally came out, just in time to avoid getting sued or aced, it was on the level of a prototype where customers had to modify the product to make it work on a very simple receiver. It may be injection molded impact resistant polymer but, it will always be a shitty stock. Good riddance to bad rubbish. Wow, you sure have a ax to grind. I think that they are well designed awesome stocks. No problems here. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
G O B 3,516 Posted September 8, 2016 Report Share Posted September 8, 2016 Did you hear about the necromancer who stepped in to the morgue for a cold one? 2 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
BigChongus 765 Posted September 8, 2016 Report Share Posted September 8, 2016 Thanks for the heads up on the KPUP. Lit a fire under me to get mine ASAP. Damn, this guy went to the trouble to make an avatar of himself cheesing only to post once and never be seen again. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
evlblkwpnz 3,418 Posted September 9, 2016 Report Share Posted September 9, 2016 Did you hear about the necromancer who stepped in to the morgue for a cold one? I got a kick out of that. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
{ROS}_me 32 Posted September 9, 2016 Report Share Posted September 9, 2016 If someone is going to bother with a redesign ,Please add a trigger guard, and the ability to use the stock sights. I started off really likeing the kpup but the 2 things I suggested stopped me from buying one. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
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