Sim_Player 1,939 Posted December 12, 2013 Report Share Posted December 12, 2013 (edited) I really hope those reports are untrue and exaggerated. Conspiracy theories are a muse, most of the time. When faith in our system crumbles, they are easier to believe. Edited December 12, 2013 by Sim_Player 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
mancat 2,368 Posted December 12, 2013 Report Share Posted December 12, 2013 (edited) The facility already is near completion. Given all that we have learned of the NSA this year, it seems reasonable that any and all claims of domestic data collection/analysis are most likely true. A majority of the conspiracy theories have been validated on this one. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Utah_Data_Center I remember when I was young in the late 90s and CARNIVORE, the forerunner of our modern data collection/analytic systems, was part of a brief article on national security data collection/analysis in Scientific American. I thought it was really cool that we could "catch the bad guys" that way. How little I knew... Edited December 12, 2013 by mancat Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Sim_Player 1,939 Posted December 12, 2013 Report Share Posted December 12, 2013 (edited) Exciting times. Congrats to you and the misses. We have to look out for one another. Edited December 12, 2013 by Sim_Player 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Sneak 81 Posted January 6, 2014 Report Share Posted January 6, 2014 First of all, I'm very skeptical of what the media tells me. I was allowed to keep my private health insurance for 12 months (which I'm finding out now is quite lucky). Premium went up 25% and my pre-existing conditions were re-instated (WTF?). I still don't have maternity or prescription coverage. 2 years ago my wife started nursing school for the added income and to afford the house in case something ever happened to me. She's an RN now at a hospital, and I'm realizing now how great the plan was. There's no way in hell I'm taking the exchange if I can help it. After wasting 2 hours on the site (before they sent in their 'A' rated code monkeys to 'fix' it), we found out that our premium would be 1200 / mo with a 12,700 deductible. They wanted the entire deductible before they'd pay any benefits (not affordable). This plan may be a 'solution' for my parents, but I think they're one of the extremely few people it would benefit. I think the total system is crap and I'm dreading to see the premium hikes after 2014 when they realize the system can't be sustained. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Sim_Player 1,939 Posted January 6, 2014 Report Share Posted January 6, 2014 (edited) It's doomed to to failure but, I think they knew that. They are just getting their foot in the door. Prepare for massive taxation. That's my prediction. Encouraging free-market competition would bring prices down but, it's not their style. Edited January 6, 2014 by Sim_Player Quote Link to post Share on other sites
mancat 2,368 Posted January 6, 2014 Report Share Posted January 6, 2014 the adminitration is already structuring a health insurance industry wide bailout, which is a pretty obvious backstage admission that the law has already failed conpletely. they still wont release signup statistics for paid plan vs. medicaid, or signups vs. cancelations. yeah yeah "it was designed to fail," we know. regardless of whether or not that's true, bad times ahead. http://www.nytimes.com/2013/12/03/us/politics/insurers-are-offered-assistance-for-losses.html?pagewanted=all Quote Link to post Share on other sites
XD45 7,124 Posted January 6, 2014 Report Share Posted January 6, 2014 If you build a submarine out of cardboard its safe to say it was designed to fail. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Spartacus 1,619 Posted January 6, 2014 Report Share Posted January 6, 2014 (edited) the adminitration is already structuring a health insurance industry wide bailout, which is a pretty obvious backstage admission that the law has already failed conpletely. they still wont release signup statistics for paid plan vs. medicaid, or signups vs. cancelations. yeah yeah "it was designed to fail," we know. regardless of whether or not that's true, bad times ahead. http://www.nytimes.com/2013/12/03/us/politics/insurers-are-offered-assistance-for-losses.html?pagewanted=all Corporatocracy Corporatocracy /ˌkɔrpərəˈtɒkrəsi/, is a term used as an economic and political system controlled by corporations or corporate interests.[1] It is a generally pejorative term often used by critics of the current economic situation in a particular country, especially the United States. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Corporatocracy I've also heard what's going on classified as a form of fascism. Edited January 6, 2014 by Spartacus Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Big John! 2,062 Posted January 7, 2014 Author Report Share Posted January 7, 2014 the adminitration is already structuring a health insurance industry wide bailout, which is a pretty obvious backstage admission that the law has already failed conpletely. they still wont release signup statistics for paid plan vs. medicaid, or signups vs. cancelations. yeah yeah "it was designed to fail," we know. regardless of whether or not that's true, bad times ahead. http://www.nytimes.com/2013/12/03/us/politics/insurers-are-offered-assistance-for-losses.html?pagewanted=all Corporatocracy Corporatocracy /ˌkɔrpərəˈtɒkrəsi/, is a term used as an economic and political system controlled by corporations or corporate interests.[1] It is a generally pejorative term often used by critics of the current economic situation in a particular country, especially the United States. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Corporatocracy I've also heard what's going on classified as a form of fascism. You've confused me. I think the end game is to have a single payer health care system. I'm not sure that anyone would benefit from this financially. But the king would keep us begging to get buttfucked by him. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Bigtwin 219 Posted January 7, 2014 Report Share Posted January 7, 2014 Well the wife and I can't afford medical insurance(she was laid off when she went on maternity leave, I am self employed). I have had medical insurance for my now 3 yo daughter since she was born. Last week we received the January premium for my daughter and it went from $84 to now $147 a month(but hey "you want to keep your coverage, you can") Right! So reluctantly, for shits and giggles, I went to the ACA website which directed me to the covered California website, punched in some general info. Based one the house hold income and three people, my daughter cant be covered through the plans.....WTF! Reason why.....(makes me sick)...my daughter can be covered by medi-Cal (read welfare), so they want everybody to be on welfare! FUCK THIS SHIT! Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Sim_Player 1,939 Posted January 7, 2014 Report Share Posted January 7, 2014 (edited) During the next govt. shutdown, hospital doors will be locked. Edited January 7, 2014 by Sim_Player Quote Link to post Share on other sites
sccritterkiller 473 Posted January 7, 2014 Report Share Posted January 7, 2014 Single payer will be the final result...http://www.nytimes.com/2014/01/01/opinion/moore-the-obamacare-we-deserve.html?_r=0 I can't stand Michael Moore but this latest op ed is very telling, love the examples he uses...even he knows the ACA isn't very affordable. They want us to feel the pain with ACA. So we will beg them to fix it. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Big John! 2,062 Posted January 7, 2014 Author Report Share Posted January 7, 2014 Well the wife and I can't afford medical insurance(she was laid off when she went on maternity leave, I am self employed). I have had medical insurance for my now 3 yo daughter since she was born. Last week we received the January premium for my daughter and it went from $84 to now $147 a month(but hey "you want to keep your coverage, you can") Right! So reluctantly, for shits and giggles, I went to the ACA website which directed me to the covered California website, punched in some general info. Based one the house hold income and three people, my daughter cant be covered through the plans.....WTF! Reason why.....(makes me sick)...my daughter can be covered by medi-Cal (read welfare), so they want everybody to be on welfare! FUCK THIS SHIT! While I understand your anger. This kind of crap is why I started this thread. I would pay the $147. Don't give any money to the gov. in the way of fines, or even medical copay's (if there are any?). It is not your ins. co's fault they had to raise rates. O'care has obviously fucked us all. I don't have the $368 per mo. that mine went up. Don't know what I'm going to do. But! I do know that I will bankrupt myself with medical bills before I will contribute in even the smallest way to Ocare. Hang in there man. You're certainly not alone. Thanks for sharing your story. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Big John! 2,062 Posted January 7, 2014 Author Report Share Posted January 7, 2014 On a side note... I thought maternity leave was protected federally. Am I wrong? Quote Link to post Share on other sites
YOT 3,743 Posted January 7, 2014 Report Share Posted January 7, 2014 (edited) I was at the Dr. the other day. He told me no more medication samples. Obamacare has banned the issuing of samples. Do you realize what this is going to do to prescription costs? Imagine being prescribed a medication that you aren't able to tolerate for some reason, but you had to pay for it or the copayment just to find that out. And how many different meds will you have to try to find the one that works for you? Edited January 7, 2014 by Yeoldetool Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Wolverine 10,360 Posted January 7, 2014 Report Share Posted January 7, 2014 I was at the Dr. the other day. He told me no more medication samples. Obamacare has banned the issuing of samples. Do you realize what this is going to do to prescription costs? Imagine being prescribed a medication that you aren't able to tolerate for some reason, but you had to pay for it or the copayment just to find that out. And how many different Mede will you have to try to find the one that works for you? That's bad news for a lot of seniors and low income people. Many Docs have been supplying samples to patients for years and what you say about buying and trying meds to find one that works effectively is true too. It will result in expense and waste for patients. Another improvement from our wonderful Obamacare legislation. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Spartacus 1,619 Posted January 7, 2014 Report Share Posted January 7, 2014 the adminitration is already structuring a health insurance industry wide bailout, which is a pretty obvious backstage admission that the law has already failed conpletely. they still wont release signup statistics for paid plan vs. medicaid, or signups vs. cancelations. yeah yeah "it was designed to fail," we know. regardless of whether or not that's true, bad times ahead. http://www.nytimes.com/2013/12/03/us/politics/insurers-are-offered-assistance-for-losses.html?pagewanted=all Corporatocracy Corporatocracy /ˌkɔrpərəˈtɒkrəsi/, is a term used as an economic and political system controlled by corporations or corporate interests.[1] It is a generally pejorative term often used by critics of the current economic situation in a particular country, especially the United States. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Corporatocracy I've also heard what's going on classified as a form of fascism. You've confused me. I think the end game is to have a single payer health care system. I'm not sure that anyone would benefit from this financially. But the king would keep us begging to get buttfucked by him. We have big business and big government sleeping in the same bed and controlling policy and the piggy bank. We no longer have capitalism and free open markets with constitutionally limited government. IMHO, even though much of what is going on looks like socialism, it's really not. I think we have .gov claiming they are doing all of this for the little guy and to "spread the wealth". But in reality, I don't think many members of "The People" rich or poor will benefit at all from what's going on. It looks to me like .gov and big biz are stealing the wealth of the country. The bankers. "The Fed" who controls our monetary policy is a PRIVATE bank. Not just stealing the wealth, but knocking our standard of living down very low so we are "controllable". I think the end game goals are much darker than we would like to imagine. Globalism. Slavery. Control. I look at this all biblicaly too, so take that as you may. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
XD45 7,124 Posted January 7, 2014 Report Share Posted January 7, 2014 Socialism is never really socialism. It's always just tyranny. 2 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Wolverine 10,360 Posted January 7, 2014 Report Share Posted January 7, 2014 On a side note... I thought maternity leave was protected federally. Am I wrong? No you are not. It can be a form of sex discrimination to not treat maternity leave like any other medical disability......benefits and all. Also, for employers with 50 or more employees, the FMLA requires employers to continue benefits (including medical) for the duration of the disability up to 12 weeks. Maternity is typically 6 weeks unless there are complications or a C-section. I think the employer would have a hard time demonstrating they were having a reduction in the work force at the identical time the employee was going off on maternity/medical leave. The particulars should be reviewed with an employment attorney or the DOL. This would likely poison the water with the employer but you have to decide whether pursuit of the benefits is worth the stress likely to follow. Of course you can always file a retaliation case if the employer tries to get clever. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Bigtwin 219 Posted January 8, 2014 Report Share Posted January 8, 2014 (edited) On a side note... I thought maternity leave was protected federally. Am I wrong? Sadly it was a mass lay off (mass=5 other folks), so no legal recourse was available at the time. My wife worked in the medical records department and the company(like many others) are switching to computers for that. ultimately requiring less humans for medical records/charts. It just coincided with my wife being on maternity leave. Edit: Wolverine has it correct. We did retain full benefits for 10 or 12 weeks(wife had a C-section) and she had high blood pressure due to pregnancy. There was no recourse to the termination of her job. The loss of her job was inevitable and known(though she was told it would not have been as soon as it was)! Edited January 8, 2014 by Bigtwin Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Big John! 2,062 Posted January 8, 2014 Author Report Share Posted January 8, 2014 On a side note... I thought maternity leave was protected federally. Am I wrong? Sadly it was a mass lay off (mass=5 other folks), so no legal recourse was available at the time. My wife worked in the medical records department and the company(like many others) are switching to computers for that. ultimately requiring less humans for medical records/charts. It just coincided with my wife being on maternity leave. Edit: Wolverine has it correct. We did retain full benefits for 10 or 12 weeks(wife had a C-section) and she had high blood pressure due to pregnancy. There was no recourse to the termination of her job. The loss of her job was inevitable and known(though she was told it would not have been as soon as it was)! I guess we'll have to chalk this one up to being a sign of the times. Quite honestly, I'd have been happier had she been wrongly laid off. Not very encouraging to hear of more people being replaced by electronics. I keep telling people that technology is going to end up being our worst enemy. Job loss to electronics is happening at a pretty quick pace. Brick and mortar stores are getting their asses kicked by the net. Information theft. Jobs being replaced by robots. You name it... Now I'm just waiting for the terminators to come after my guns. 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Bigtwin 219 Posted January 9, 2014 Report Share Posted January 9, 2014 . You name it... Now I'm just waiting for the terminators to come after my guns. If that happens.....I am going to need better bullets! Quote Link to post Share on other sites
VR762Shooter 838 Posted January 9, 2014 Report Share Posted January 9, 2014 I think the end game is to have a single payer health care system. I'm not sure that anyone would benefit from this financially. But the king would keep us begging to get buttfucked by him. Since the plan was based off the MA system originally, and they knew the MA system was already not working and was going to require a single payer state run system, then the plan all along was quite obvious to them and they knew exactly how to make it happen 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
MegamanX 65 Posted January 10, 2014 Report Share Posted January 10, 2014 i lost my healthcare and have to go through healthcare.crap now Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Big John! 2,062 Posted January 10, 2014 Author Report Share Posted January 10, 2014 i lost my healthcare and have to go through healthcare.crap now Try taking what you've been paying and banking it. A lot of doctors and hospitals have a significant discount for paying cash. I'm talking discounts like 40%+. It's more work, but in the long run you are better off. What good is a medical plan with a several thousand dollar deductable? This is what I'm going to do when they take my healthcare. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
gunman1 1,753 Posted January 10, 2014 Report Share Posted January 10, 2014 The communists endeavor for utopia has now ruined the best healthcare system EVER. Our former system was not perfect and was becoming more expensive all the time, but the cost was still three times less that what I have today. For most of us, just saving the money we would have been paying won't work in the long run, as you never know when a terrible illness will strike. I have watched families get totally wiped out by the costs associated with cancer and other catastrophic illness. I will not pretend to know the answer, I just believe we are seriously fucked and there is no REAL solution in our near sight Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Big John! 2,062 Posted January 11, 2014 Author Report Share Posted January 11, 2014 The communists endeavor for utopia has now ruined the best healthcare system EVER. Our former system was not perfect and was becoming more expensive all the time, but the cost was still three times less that what I have today. For most of us, just saving the money we would have been paying won't work in the long run, as you never know when a terrible illness will strike. I have watched families get totally wiped out by the costs associated with cancer and other catastrophic illness. I will not pretend to know the answer, I just believe we are seriously fucked and there is no REAL solution in our near sight I've heard of 12-25 k deductables depending on your income and number of family members. I quite honestly don't give a fuck anymore as this bull shit is probably going to break me one way or another. I have ongoing medical crap that will no doubt last the rest of my life. These monster deductables will equate to a catastrophic illness for me within a matter of a few years anyhow. Medical bills cost me a bankruptcy when I was young, poor, and a new daddy. So I really don't give a flying fuck if it happens again. I'm so sick of this administration that I could absolutely puke. Since they are so intent on doing this, then they can eat a dick when it comes to me payin medical bills. I'll see how it plays out for me. But I'm not blowing smoke on this one. I will stand against it. Feel free to call me a pussy if I back down in less than a year when my GOOD medical coverage, that I LIKE and I want to KEEP. Dammit I'm pissed now. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
uzitiger 193 Posted January 18, 2014 Report Share Posted January 18, 2014 It's doomed to to failure but, I think they knew that. They are just getting their foot in the door. Prepare for massive taxation. That's my prediction. Encouraging free-market competition would bring prices down but, it's not their style. The progressive who pushed this Nationa Socialist health care takeover can afford the best doctors while we go broke paying for either insurance or medical bills which have skyrocketed. the adminitration is already structuring a health insurance industry wide bailout, which is a pretty obvious backstage admission that the law has already failed conpletely. they still wont release signup statistics for paid plan vs. medicaid, or signups vs. cancelations. yeah yeah "it was designed to fail," we know. regardless of whether or not that's true, bad times ahead. http://www.nytimes.com/2013/12/03/us/politics/insurers-are-offered-assistance-for-losses.html?pagewanted=all Corporatocracy Corporatocracy /ˌkɔrpərəˈtɒkrəsi/, is a term used as an economic and political system controlled by corporations or corporate interests.[1] It is a generally pejorative term often used by critics of the current economic situation in a particular country, especially the United States. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Corporatocracy I've also heard what's going on classified as a form of fascism. You've confused me. I think the end game is to have a single payer health care system. I'm not sure that anyone would benefit from this financially. But the king would keep us begging to get buttfucked by him. We have big business and big government sleeping in the same bed and controlling policy and the piggy bank. We no longer have capitalism and free open markets with constitutionally limited government. IMHO, even though much of what is going on looks like socialism, it's really not. I think we have .gov claiming they are doing all of this for the little guy and to "spread the wealth". But in reality, I don't think many members of "The People" rich or poor will benefit at all from what's going on. It looks to me like .gov and big biz are stealing the wealth of the country. The bankers. "The Fed" who controls our monetary policy is a PRIVATE bank. Not just stealing the wealth, but knocking our standard of living down very low so we are "controllable". I think the end game goals are much darker than we would like to imagine. Globalism. Slavery. Control. I look at this all biblicaly too, so take that as you may. Hitler also had crony capitalism where his cronies got richer. Socialism is never really socialism. It's always just tyranny. My grandfather said that socialism is feudalism under a new name. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
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