toothandnail 275 Posted December 21, 2013 Report Share Posted December 21, 2013 We have been testing for quite some time, decide it's time to offer it for sale. Should be available on our site sometime during the first week of Jan. Yes it's LOOOONG, but 23 rounds without a reload comes in HANDY on certain stages Here it is on my gun, still need to get the color a little better match Quote Link to post Share on other sites
toothandnail 275 Posted December 21, 2013 Author Report Share Posted December 21, 2013 Here's the feed lip/mag cover Quote Link to post Share on other sites
duggr 13 Posted December 21, 2013 Report Share Posted December 21, 2013 wouldn't it be easier, more convenient and less obstructive to convert a twenty round Saiga 12 drum? 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
StealthyBlagga 4 Posted December 21, 2013 Report Share Posted December 21, 2013 (edited) wouldn't it be easier, more convenient and less obstructive to convert a twenty round Saiga 12 drum? Any drum would need a feed tower containing dummy rounds to function in the MKA1919. Having adapted a Suomi drum mag to run in a 9mm subgun (and shotshells feed way worse than 9mm) I can assure you that the T&N approach above is infinitely easier to implement. If you disagree, just try it for yourself. A drum might be less obtrusive, but what's the point if it does not work. Edited December 22, 2013 by StealthyBlagga Quote Link to post Share on other sites
AR-12 Shotgun 16 Posted December 22, 2013 Report Share Posted December 22, 2013 Is that two factory 10 rounders in series? That's genius. I love the idea. Will you have a kit to add the useless 5 rounders to the 10 round mags? Quote Link to post Share on other sites
rockmup 12 Posted December 22, 2013 Report Share Posted December 22, 2013 Is that follower from a BR99 ? Quote Link to post Share on other sites
compshootfl 40 Posted December 22, 2013 Report Share Posted December 22, 2013 I assume you will be selling just the clamp & spring also....? Quote Link to post Share on other sites
SCooper 0 Posted December 22, 2013 Report Share Posted December 22, 2013 (edited) Is there any one Particular reason why no one is trying to or has come up with a 20 round Drum mag adapter? besides maybe a FEDERAL LAW? because it seems to me that a 20 round mag is just that....A 20 ROUND MAG Edited December 22, 2013 by SCooper Quote Link to post Share on other sites
rlillyskygod@yahoo.com 2 Posted December 22, 2013 Report Share Posted December 22, 2013 Is there any one Particular reason why no one is trying to or has come up with a 20 round Drum mag adapter? besides maybe a FEDERAL LAW? because it seems to me that a 20 round mag is just that....A 20 ROUND MAG See post #4 its all explained. They are not reliable drums for mag fed shotguns suck. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
SCooper 0 Posted December 22, 2013 Report Share Posted December 22, 2013 Thank You, don't know how I missed the post,but it makes perfect sense.... whats the point if it doesn't work. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
bofor 7 Posted December 22, 2013 Report Share Posted December 22, 2013 Now a 15 Round mag sounds right to me.. Also the kit to convert 5 and 10 rounders to 15 and 20 would be great. Maybe I miss the point Matt but whats the use of the lip thingy cover bit ? Quote Link to post Share on other sites
StealthyBlagga 4 Posted December 22, 2013 Report Share Posted December 22, 2013 Maybe I miss the point Matt but whats the use of the lip thingy cover bit ? It covers and protects the feed lips of the bottom (inverted) mag. This is just a rehash of the same idea developed for the AR15 by California Competition Works, which works just fine with no cover. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
beefcakeb99 572 Posted December 22, 2013 Report Share Posted December 22, 2013 Hideous! But if it works then fuck it function over form. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Goodwin 1 Posted December 22, 2013 Report Share Posted December 22, 2013 not to bash on your guys products but that is just stupid big, might want to start trying to design a double stack mag or drum just my opinion. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
AR-12 Shotgun 16 Posted December 23, 2013 Report Share Posted December 23, 2013 Maybe I miss the point Matt but whats the use of the lip thingy cover bit ? Matt can speak for himself, but my guess is to protect the feed lips on the lower mag. They are finicky to begin with let alone dropping the monster on a mag change. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Matthew Hopkins 1,065 Posted December 23, 2013 Report Share Posted December 23, 2013 wouldn't it be easier, more convenient and less obstructive to convert a twenty round Saiga 12 drum? Any drum would need a feed tower containing dummy rounds to function in the MKA1919. Having adapted a Suomi drum mag to run in a 9mm subgun (and shotshells feed way worse than 9mm) I can assure you that the T&N approach above is infinitely easier to implement. If you disagree, just try it for yourself. A drum might be less obtrusive, but what's the point if it does not work. try telling that to this guy who put a feedtower on a MD ARMS drum to go a SAIGA 12, that his doesn't work. http://youtu.be/J94UVBS9EEw 2 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
bofor 7 Posted December 23, 2013 Report Share Posted December 23, 2013 (edited) Stealthyblagga Why would you want to use (inverted) mags, if you clamped 2 together both would be shell up ? or am I missing something in your posting I cant see the lip protector on the 20 round mag. I like the Saiga drum video, someone must be able to make one, this looks like an English country scene here as well Edited December 23, 2013 by bofor Quote Link to post Share on other sites
JeremyT 15 Posted December 23, 2013 Report Share Posted December 23, 2013 I've been running one of these from T&N for a couple months now and while they are definitely long they are great on high round count stages. Mine has run 100% flawless since the day it was put together. It did take some getting used to in a tight stage but the time saved with no mag changes was great. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
toothandnail 275 Posted December 23, 2013 Author Report Share Posted December 23, 2013 The smaller feed lip cover is for when you are transporting your mags on your way to a match or between stages. I personally had a bad experience with a mag running flawless the night before. Got to the match the next day and it didn't run at all on the lower power shells. Threw it back it my bag got home and re-tuned it, ran flawless again. One of the feed lips got bumped at some point just enough to prevent the rds from feeding properly. Hard lesson learned. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
bofor 7 Posted December 23, 2013 Report Share Posted December 23, 2013 Matt What about a 15 rounder ? Quote Link to post Share on other sites
toothandnail 275 Posted December 23, 2013 Author Report Share Posted December 23, 2013 We haven't begun working on one yet. We cranked out a few of the 23 rd mags in late october for testing, and a few matches we attended that had long shotgun stages. We may work on some smaller mags for the shorter stages but we haven't yet. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
StealthyBlagga 4 Posted December 24, 2013 Report Share Posted December 24, 2013 (edited) Stealthyblagga Why would you want to use (inverted) mags, if you clamped 2 together both would be shell up ? or am I missing something in your posting I cant see the lip protector on the 20 round mag. I like the Saiga drum video, someone must be able to make one, this looks like an English country scene here as well Look at how this magazine is made - it is two 10-round magazines joined base-to-base (same idea pioneered for AR15 mags by California Competition Works). Thus, the feed lips of the bottom magazine would be exposed to damage if not for the cover. For folks who already have a healthy supply of factory mags, the same outcome could be achieved with an upgrade kit comprising the base coupler and a replacement double-length spring. Indeed, any combination of factory mags could be coupled in this way; 10+10, 10+5 or 5+5. Edited December 24, 2013 by StealthyBlagga Quote Link to post Share on other sites
SHOTGUN MESIAH 855 Posted December 24, 2013 Report Share Posted December 24, 2013 10 is plenty for me, but then I don't shoot 3 gun so I can't say. But it does look completely ridiculous. totally impractical for real world aplications. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
rockmup 12 Posted December 25, 2013 Report Share Posted December 25, 2013 10 is plenty for me, but then I don't shoot 3 gun so I can't say. But it does look completely ridiculous. totally impractical for real world aplications. Good thing it's not for the real world then huh ? lol Quote Link to post Share on other sites
compshootfl 40 Posted December 25, 2013 Report Share Posted December 25, 2013 As always...this is not for everyone. In my experience, if you don't competition shoot, then there is probably not a need for this. With that said, I have a mix of 5,10,15,20 and 23 rounders I use in competition. The mix is great for stages with bird, buck and slug and has proven to be a time saver on those type stages. I am always glad to see more option for this platform....carry on. MERRY CHRISTMAS TO EVERYONE TOO !! Quote Link to post Share on other sites
bofor 7 Posted December 25, 2013 Report Share Posted December 25, 2013 Stealthyblagga Why would you want to use (inverted) mags, if you clamped 2 together both would be shell up ? or am I missing something in your posting I cant see the lip protector on the 20 round mag. I like the Saiga drum video, someone must be able to make one, this looks like an English country scene here as well Look at how this magazine is made - it is two 10-round magazines joined base-to-base (same idea pioneered for AR15 mags by California Competition Works). Thus, the feed lips of the bottom magazine would be exposed to damage if not for the cover. For folks who already have a healthy supply of factory mags, the same outcome could be achieved with an upgrade kit comprising the base coupler and a replacement double-length spring. Indeed, any combination of factory mags could be coupled in this way; 10+10, 10+5 or 5+5. StealthyBlagga I have looked at the picture again and although its base to base there is no exposed feed lips or cover on the bottom. The idea is not to reload, if you had to turn it up then it would be a reload and no advantage, obviously the bottom plates are removed to allow shells to follow through. Merry Christmas to all in the USA & elsewhere. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Hunter308 6 Posted December 29, 2013 Report Share Posted December 29, 2013 If the guy in the video started knocking them out for the MKA 1919 -- and they were reliable -- clearly, he'd have buyers. I think the new T&N offering is pretty neat. Yes, it's for competition, not for assaulting a compound like bin Laden's, but any mag change you don't have to make is ***a mag change you don't have to make.*** Interesting idea one poster had about a double-stack magazine; perhaps something like the 60- or 100-rounders from Surefire would be feasible. I'm always glad to see these discussions because they generate more options for the MKA 1919. (Sure liked the "drum" video. Wow.) Quote Link to post Share on other sites
grima 15 Posted December 31, 2013 Report Share Posted December 31, 2013 (edited) m Edited January 4, 2014 by Grima 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Hunter308 6 Posted December 31, 2013 Report Share Posted December 31, 2013 Nice video, Grima, thanks! Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Matthew Hopkins 1,065 Posted January 1, 2014 Report Share Posted January 1, 2014 Grima, didn't know that was you who made the drum, excellent! Quote Link to post Share on other sites
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