Tigerclaw_x 1 Posted December 27, 2013 Report Share Posted December 27, 2013 Got a new Saiga 223. This is Saiga M1 with detachable stock (got welded), and heavy long barrel. Here is the kicker. Beryl mags do NOT lock up. I mean they fit into the magwell but as you "rock them back" they get stopped about 7mm from they are supposed to be locked in. the mag is SLANTED in the magwell, and much more so than it was due to a mag locking tab. Any ideas? Quote Link to post Share on other sites
canoecanoe 63 Posted December 27, 2013 Report Share Posted December 27, 2013 (edited) Did you remove the interdiction tab at the back of the mag well? See this thread: http://forum.saiga-12.com/index.php?/topic/62650-arsenal-223-magazines/ Edited December 27, 2013 by canoecanoe Quote Link to post Share on other sites
thebuns1 4,323 Posted December 27, 2013 Report Share Posted December 27, 2013 I didnt have to remove an interdiction tab, but rather just file the catch on my .223, and all mags locked right in. Unless there's something Im missing.... Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Tigerclaw_x 1 Posted December 27, 2013 Author Report Share Posted December 27, 2013 Okay, the mag clears interdiction tab without problem. If I have to file mag catch, I will have to file half of it. It seems to be hitting something INSIDE the receiver. Possibly a crossbar. Funny thing that did NOT happen on my Vepr 223 conversion or my previous Saiga 223 conversion D Quote Link to post Share on other sites
thebuns1 4,323 Posted December 27, 2013 Report Share Posted December 27, 2013 You shouldnt have to file half the catch. Thats way too much. Disassemble the weapon and see what its coming into contact with when you insert a mag, and go from there. Dont mod the gun to fit the mags though, as it will leave you with a mag specific weapon. 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Tigerclaw_x 1 Posted December 27, 2013 Author Report Share Posted December 27, 2013 I am NOT filing half a catch. I already did dissassemble the weapon, Can't see anything except the crossbar in he way... Quote Link to post Share on other sites
thebuns1 4,323 Posted December 27, 2013 Report Share Posted December 27, 2013 (edited) Thats odd that its hitting the center support rivet. You should only have to mod the front feed lip of the mag. ETA: It sounds like the front feed lips are hitting the bottom of the front trunnion. Heres a video in this thread describing it, if you didnt already know. http://forum.saiga-12.com/index.php?/topic/78628-polish-beryl-magazine-install-tutorial/ Edited December 28, 2013 by Captain Hero Quote Link to post Share on other sites
liberty -r- death 1,445 Posted December 29, 2013 Report Share Posted December 29, 2013 Sounds like the front trunnion. Don't all surplus mags need the mag reprofiled at the feed lips in front to clear the front trunnion to lock in? 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Sim_Player 1,939 Posted December 29, 2013 Report Share Posted December 29, 2013 Is it hitting the lower rail assembly? This is basic mechanic stuff. Pics inside the receiver? Come on man. Look at your gun. You'll have that "ah-ha" moment. 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
thebuns1 4,323 Posted December 29, 2013 Report Share Posted December 29, 2013 Sounds like the front trunnion. Don't all surplus mags need the mag reprofiled at the feed lips in front to clear the front trunnion to lock in? Yes. This is what it sounds like to me. I figured he had already done so, but after thinking about it, Im not so sure, wich is why I posted the link with the video. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
mancat 2,368 Posted December 29, 2013 Report Share Posted December 29, 2013 (edited) NO FILING NEEDED ON THE GUN. Beryl mags need to be modded before they will lock in. They are designed to lock in to an AK-74 trunnion. Saiga .223 has a hybrid AKM trunnion. Unmodified, the front of the Beryl mag feed lips will hit the bottom of the trunnion locking lugs, preventing them from fully rotating forward and locking in. You basically file down the front of the feed lips on the magazine until the Beryl magazine matches the feed lip profile of the Saiga factory magazine. This is very easy to do if you have them side by side. You do not want to fit them too tightly - you want the Beryl mags to lock in nice and smooth. Too tight and you can bend the steel reinforcements in the mag body, which can cause misfeeds. Once they are modded they will snap right in with no modifications needed to the rifle. Please see my video:Bonus points if you can spot the vintage ALF trading card Or if you just like pictures, you will need to mod your Beryl mags in this fashion. Original mag on the left, modified mag on the right. Notice the difference in front feed lip height: Edited December 29, 2013 by mancat Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Sim_Player 1,939 Posted December 30, 2013 Report Share Posted December 30, 2013 Good video Mancat. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
MAAnew 162 Posted May 13, 2014 Report Share Posted May 13, 2014 Its great to read all the knowledge ... these ak/ saiga rifles and shotguns are always fun and exciting to learn about Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Tigerclaw_x 1 Posted May 13, 2014 Author Report Share Posted May 13, 2014 (edited) I decided to say "The hell with it" saiga stayed unmodified and I got 10 SGM mags for it. PROBLEM SOLVED. I like hunting stock better than pistol handle anyways. I was taught how to shoot with SKS, so to me hunting stock is more natural than pistol grip D Edited May 13, 2014 by Tigerclaw_x Quote Link to post Share on other sites
mikebaker1129 19 Posted May 14, 2014 Report Share Posted May 14, 2014 Most likely your issues are a combination of the front of the mags needing a little material removed to clear the front trunnion and your mag catch needing filed down on yourunmodified Saiga. These are the same mods made to the Bulgarian mags. Mancats video, is an excellent video showing this. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Tigerclaw_x 1 Posted May 15, 2014 Author Report Share Posted May 15, 2014 Thank you but THAT Saiga will stay unmodified. I got 10 SGM mags for it. I like SKS style stock better than pistol grip stock anyway. When I started to learn how to shoot it was first - 5.6 rimfire rifle, shotgun, SKS, they all had that SKS/Garand style stock, I am very used to it, and like it better than "assault rifle style" pistol grip. It is the OTHER Saiga 223, that already came modified that I need help with. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
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