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#1 Ben Vampatella

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Posted 21 January 2014 - 11:34 AM

Well, I was talking with my friend Cameron the other day, and he decided that its time to let a little information slip out.

 

Finally....he is moving forward full steam with the 10 round all steel minidrum!

 

He informed me that they got three more machine tools in last week to get that line up and running, and he is now in the process of getting the show on the road!

 

A couple of features he has made me aware of, which I think will be a major selling point (beyond the two obvious ones, one its made out of steel, and two - well, its made by CHAOS) are interesting to say the least.

 

His first model is going to be a 3" only drum, which makes sense - why fire pussy rounds out of a balls to the wall magazine....

 

Next, Is the fact that it is going to be as small as it can get, noticeably smaller than the current 10 round drums on the market.

 

Lastly, and one of the things I like about it, is it is going to be a wind-able mag, and as such can be stored indefinitely while loaded and cranked to tension when its time to use it.

 

There is not much more to say right now, but its true...

 

THE MINI DRUM IS FINALLY GOING INTO TESTING AND THEN PRODUCTION VERY SOON


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Posted 21 January 2014 - 11:43 AM

One thing I would like to point out also, is he passed this along to me and said it was good for public information, but the man has so little time, that I am posting this update for him instead. Dont email or call him with questions, rather post them here, and I will get answers if I dont already have them as things progress.


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Posted 21 January 2014 - 12:39 PM

Hell yes!

When are smaller shell drums expected?



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Posted 21 January 2014 - 12:45 PM

This year. Cameron usually moves pretty fast when he tells me he is "moving ahead full speed" on a project


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Posted 21 January 2014 - 01:06 PM

This is great news!
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Posted 21 January 2014 - 01:42 PM

That's the best news I've heard in a long time. Can't wait to get one for 3" & 2 3/4.
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Posted 21 January 2014 - 01:47 PM

wait, he's making 2 drums, one for 2 3/4 in and another for 3in shells? OK, I am at a loss here why 2 drums for 2 size shells. if you make a drum for 3 inch shells that should also work for 2 3/4



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Posted 21 January 2014 - 02:38 PM

I have held off on this project waiting for the right timing, I feel that time is now!  3" steel drums, we are rolling through the final design process as I have changed a few things since I first designed these almost 5yrs. ago. We are going all out on this design, they are designed to be stored loaded, they all steel body with an impact casing around the outer body. Our spring design is a 3/4" wide clock spring capable of a 500,000 cycles or 5 millions rounds, prototypes on the way.  We are in full prototype mode at this point, I will post pics of some details as we go along. My time is very limited so please bear with me as I will answer questions when I can. We are focusing on both saiga 12 and Vepr 12 but may do a MKA version as well, no promises. This mag well be the most compact and military grade 12 ga. mag on the planet! 


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Posted 21 January 2014 - 02:43 PM

Awesome! Do you have an approximate retail price in mind yet?


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Posted 21 January 2014 - 04:43 PM

I figured Mr Cam might have a sec to reply to this thread once in a while....

 

Patience, guys, this guy doesnt mess around. Keep the questions in this thread, so he doesnt have to expend any more effort on US that he can be spending getting tooled up and running. Expect a top notch working part that you wont ever want to part with.

 

me myself? I cant wait to see one of these. Mr Cam has been talking about since Ive known him....its ABOUT TIME!!!

 

This is going to be a good one when Cameron nails it right. Watch


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Posted 21 January 2014 - 08:24 PM

Just a taste............

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Posted 21 January 2014 - 08:33 PM

stop tempting him!!!

 

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Posted 21 January 2014 - 08:40 PM

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Posted 21 January 2014 - 09:05 PM

That's going to be an EXTREMELY useful accessory for a short barreled shotgun.


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Posted 22 January 2014 - 08:27 AM

Well, I was talking with my friend Cameron the other day, and he decided that its time to let a little information slip out.

 

Finally....he is moving forward full steam with the 10 round all steel minidrum!

 

He informed me that they got three more machine tools in last week to get that line up and running, and he is now in the process of getting the show on the road!

 

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His first model is going to be a 3" only drum, which makes sense - why fire pussy rounds out of a balls to the wall magazine....

 

Next, Is the fact that it is going to be as small as it can get, noticeably smaller than the current 10 round drums on the market.

 

Lastly, and one of the things I like about it, is it is going to be a wind-able mag, and as such can be stored indefinitely while loaded and cranked to tension when its time to use it.

 

There is not much more to say right now, but its true...

 

THE MINI DRUM IS FINALLY GOING INTO TESTING AND THEN PRODUCTION VERY SOON

This is drum well shoot 2 3/4" and 3"


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Posted 22 January 2014 - 10:25 AM

your doing the little guy first? I misunderstood you Cam, sorry about that.


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Posted 22 January 2014 - 11:32 AM

Very cool.

Any predictions or goals for weight? Half an md20, as much as 2-3 factory 5's etc. 


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Posted 22 January 2014 - 07:59 PM

Very cool.

Any predictions or goals for weight? Half an md20, as much as 2-3 factory 5's etc. 

I will have size and weight in a couple weeks.



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Posted 23 January 2014 - 04:49 AM

Yes finally a steel drum. Someone who will actually make one and not just talk about it. Good job Cameron! I will definately be in line for some.grimace.gif 


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Posted 23 January 2014 - 10:23 AM

Can't wait for the Vepr's!


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Posted 04 April 2014 - 01:48 AM

Very cool.
Any predictions or goals for weight? Half an md20, as much as 2-3 factory 5's etc.

I will have size and weight in a couple weeks.
Any info on size and weight? Or really any new info on this project.
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Posted 04 April 2014 - 07:32 AM

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Posted 04 April 2014 - 10:53 AM

It's slow going at this point, but still moving forward. We have our clock springs in and waiting for a few machine to open up from production.


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Posted 09 July 2014 - 08:43 PM

I have been waiting for this mini mag or the hopes of a double stack mag.


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Posted 10 July 2014 - 06:29 AM

any hope on bringing a vepr12 steel drum to the market?



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Posted 11 July 2014 - 08:14 AM

Maybe, we have put things on hold again to the saiga market going soft. We'll just to wait and see.



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Posted 06 January 2015 - 07:47 PM

Any updates on this

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Posted 06 January 2015 - 08:43 PM

I still want them.
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Posted 06 January 2015 - 10:26 PM

With the birth of our Chaos WOC-12 these could still be in the works!


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Posted 09 January 2015 - 02:48 PM

With the birth of our Chaos WOC-12 these could still be in the works!

Would be interesting to see more about these.


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