fvf 0 Posted January 12, 2006 Report Share Posted January 12, 2006 Copper Plated Lead Shot I use a Saiga 12K and was shopping for 00 Buckshot at a gunshow, and would like to ask what the difference is between regular lead shot and the copper plated shot? What is its effect on accurary and power? Does it wear out the barrel faster? Thanks Quote Link to post Share on other sites
dodgeturbointerceptor 1 Posted January 13, 2006 Report Share Posted January 13, 2006 Woah! Where did you get the Saiga-12K?!??! How can I get one??? Quote Link to post Share on other sites
fvf 0 Posted January 13, 2006 Author Report Share Posted January 13, 2006 Here in the Philippines they were just recently introduced. I was on my way to getting a Benelli M1S90 when I discovered a dealer importing them. Only 1 feature I don't like with this model is the safety activation when the stock is folded. Does anyone have an idea how to remove this link between the folding stock and the safety? Quote Link to post Share on other sites
dodgeturbointerceptor 1 Posted January 13, 2006 Report Share Posted January 13, 2006 No sorry..... I don't. We don't get much of a chance to look at anything like that here...... Read in my books, and catalogs that only a percentage of those had that type of safety. I can only speak for the Saiga-12 line, as I didn't buy the manuals for .410, and S-20..... They are probably the same though. Maybe you should just tell yourself that that safety is helping you learn how to employ, and shoulder the weapon smoother, and faster. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
steve467 0 Posted January 13, 2006 Report Share Posted January 13, 2006 Here in the Philippines they were just recently introduced. I was on my way to getting a Benelli M1S90 when I discovered a dealer importing them. Only 1 feature I don't like with this model is the safety activation when the stock is folded. Does anyone have an idea how to remove this link between the folding stock and the safety? Send it to me and I'll fix it! I've never seen that mechanism, but I know a guy with a 12C without the safety and he says that when he fires the shotgun with the stock folded the stock usually comes unlatched from the side and flops back. he says it's very annoying. That may be why they put that safety on there. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
fvf 0 Posted January 13, 2006 Author Report Share Posted January 13, 2006 That could happen as there is only a small lug pin holding the folded stock to the left side of the receiver. You may be right, just thought a folded stock would make it more manageable in tight places especially for HD. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
StarLynx 0 Posted January 13, 2006 Report Share Posted January 13, 2006 (edited) Copper Plated Lead Shot I use a Saiga 12K and was shopping for 00 Buckshot at a gunshow, and would like to ask what the difference is between regular lead shot and the copper plated shot? What is its effect on accurary and power? Does it wear out the barrel faster? Thanks I like the Copper plated shot better...I seem to shoot better with it...It's also lots better on penatration...especially thru Windshield /safety glass......Thru personal experience...BB has more stopping power...the lead want's to spaltter..the CP BB keeps on go'n......Me & a crew member put a couple a rds thru a highly pitched {Sleek/angular} windshield that we "concieved" as trying to run us down...I like ta kind'a stick around when possible when some medic is digging my rd's out a people...[Yeah..Yeah..I know..weird quirk of mine]...& anyways...The only hits in his head were all mine {CP BB} My crewmate was use'n lead shot...Forensics found lot'sa flattened lead all over the dash & interior.. & in his pockets..heh-heh! So...I got the point hit by my name... Edited January 13, 2006 by StarLynx Quote Link to post Share on other sites
ironhead7544 35 Posted January 14, 2006 Report Share Posted January 14, 2006 There is a new "HeviShot" OO buckshot load coming out. I think the shot is some kind of tungston alloy. Should work better on vehicles. And probably better patterns. The copper plated buckshot is harder and doesnt deform as much in the barrel. It throws a tighter pattern because the shot is more streamlined. Regular buckshot comes out looking like little triangular shapes that dont fly straight. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
cscharlie 107 Posted January 14, 2006 Report Share Posted January 14, 2006 (edited) What Ironhead said. The shot is recompressed/choked down on alot of barrels near the muzzle end prior to exitting. This causes shot deformation, then you tend to have more "fliers", pices that fly away from the general group of shot instead of a patteren that is more evenly spread/dispersed. Of coarse the more hardness that is added to the shot, the less shot deformation. The copper, and even nickle plating is not considered to cause extra wear on chromemoly barrels that are not chrome lined. Allthough some manafacters causion that steel, tungsten, bithsmouth can cause some accelarated wear. The Saiga barrel is hard chrome lined so I would think that the Saiga barrel would be even more durable in that way. Edited January 14, 2006 by cscharlie Quote Link to post Share on other sites
CGuns 3 Posted January 14, 2006 Report Share Posted January 14, 2006 Can you please post pictures of your S12K in your country? That is amazing! Welcome to the Saiga Club! Quote Link to post Share on other sites
raygun 0 Posted January 15, 2006 Report Share Posted January 15, 2006 The copper, and even nickle plating is not considered to cause extra wear on chromemoly barrels that are not chrome lined. Allthough some manafacters causion that steel, tungsten, bithsmouth can cause some accelarated wear. The Saiga barrel is hard chrome lined so I would think that the Saiga barrel would be even more durable in that way. I don't use 00 buck much, so it might be different, but all the light #7 and #8 shot shells I've been using have a cup type wadding so that the shot is fully enclosed and only the plastic wad makes contact with the barrel (as far as I can tell) with that sort of wad, will the hardness of the shot even affect the barrel? Quote Link to post Share on other sites
TacticalResponse 0 Posted January 15, 2006 Report Share Posted January 15, 2006 The copper, and even nickle plating is not considered to cause extra wear on chromemoly barrels that are not chrome lined. Allthough some manafacters causion that steel, tungsten, bithsmouth can cause some accelarated wear. The Saiga barrel is hard chrome lined so I would think that the Saiga barrel would be even more durable in that way. I don't use 00 buck much, so it might be different, but all the light #7 and #8 shot shells I've been using have a cup type wadding so that the shot is fully enclosed and only the plastic wad makes contact with the barrel (as far as I can tell) with that sort of wad, will the hardness of the shot even affect the barrel? [/quote Have you ever tried Hevi-shot? I would like to get some feedback from someone that is using it. Where do you buy your cup type wadding? I know that some manufactuers are using shot cup technology, I didn't know that it was available for reloading. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
raygun 0 Posted January 15, 2006 Report Share Posted January 15, 2006 TacticalResponse: I don't do reloading, o I can't answer all of your questions. All I know is that the wad from a shell I cut open is shapped like a cup/cylinder with 4 slits up the side, and after I've been shooting in the back yard, I can find spent wads that look like mangled versions of the same. with the wad like that, I wouldn't think any of the shot projectile actually makes contact with the barrel's wall. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
ironhead7544 35 Posted January 15, 2006 Report Share Posted January 15, 2006 Since the OO buckshot is larger, the pressure deforms them more on the trip out the barrel. Most loads have a shot cup but some dont. The premium loads have a ground up plastic buffer mixed in with the buckshot in the cup to cut down more on deformation. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Cobra 76 two 2,677 Posted January 15, 2006 Report Share Posted January 15, 2006 I don't think it matters what you shoot down a chrome lined barrel. I've shot copper plated 3" turkey loads thru mine and the only ill efects were on my shoulder OUCH! Quote Link to post Share on other sites
TacticalResponse 0 Posted January 15, 2006 Report Share Posted January 15, 2006 My main reason for asking about the cup wadding was to see if the cup technology that some companies use to produce really tight groups was available to reloaders. Does anyone know? Quote Link to post Share on other sites
ironhead7544 35 Posted January 15, 2006 Report Share Posted January 15, 2006 Yes, that a standard type wad for shotshells. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
TacticalResponse 0 Posted January 15, 2006 Report Share Posted January 15, 2006 Yes, that a standard type wad for shotshells. I did some checking on the internet and it seems that remington is the only one making cup wads for reloading. Cup wads along with Hevi-shot, Powered by Hodgdon longshot powder has me thinking. Everything does not always go together for shotshell reloading. I'm looking for a cup wad that will work for high velocity loads, and I don't know if the Remington cup wad can be used. The only solution would be to call one of their techs. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
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