psl sniper 963 Posted February 1, 2014 Report Share Posted February 1, 2014 anybody ever make their own mini shells? im thinking of trying my hand at some and wanted to see if anyone had some tips or recipes. thanks. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
IndyArms 10,186 Posted February 1, 2014 Report Share Posted February 1, 2014 My buddy did... they worked great in pumps... wouldnt cycle autos Quote Link to post Share on other sites
psl sniper 963 Posted February 2, 2014 Author Report Share Posted February 2, 2014 Any info on what he used? Quote Link to post Share on other sites
toothandnail 275 Posted February 2, 2014 Report Share Posted February 2, 2014 From what I have gathered they are loaded the same as regular shells, just remove all the empty space filled up by the wad. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Billybobf 50 Posted February 2, 2014 Report Share Posted February 2, 2014 Just a flat cardboard wad? Pump (or tube fed) would be the only thing I think they would be any good for. Just make sure you don't have any on you while hunting unless your gun is plugged accordingly Quote Link to post Share on other sites
psl sniper 963 Posted February 2, 2014 Author Report Share Posted February 2, 2014 Well i made up some mini round ball slugs. Not 100% happy with the crimp. Gonna try them out tomorrow. Im thinking its time to get another load all. And modify my old one. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
gunfun 3,931 Posted February 2, 2014 Report Share Posted February 2, 2014 You might use something like the B&P gas seal cup combo as is used for magnum loads and either eliminate the cup or shorten the petals. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
psl sniper 963 Posted February 2, 2014 Author Report Share Posted February 2, 2014 Quick pic. Mini round ball slug. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
psl sniper 963 Posted February 2, 2014 Author Report Share Posted February 2, 2014 Well i made a few of these trying different hulls. Settled on winchesterr hulls as the plastic is softer and easier to roll. Took about 10 to the range today. Holy crap! These little boogers still pack a punch. Very fun for water jugs and rocks. Acurracy was still decent. I found some empty winchester military hulls and loaded them up this afternoon. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
patriot 7,197 Posted February 2, 2014 Report Share Posted February 2, 2014 (edited) I load them in BP for my 10ga. Very nice, once you get the hang of working with a shorter wad column. Black powder is much easier to deal with on custom shotgun loads. Less danger of overpressure, and still loads of power. A roll crimp is easy with a BPI roll crimper and a drill press. Edited February 5, 2014 by patriot Quote Link to post Share on other sites
psl sniper 963 Posted February 4, 2014 Author Report Share Posted February 4, 2014 I load them in BP for my 10ga. Very nice, once you get the hang of working with a shorter wad column. Black powder is much easier to deal with on custom shotgun loads. Less danger of overpressure, and still loads of power. and smoke, and corrosion.....lol Quote Link to post Share on other sites
patriot 7,197 Posted February 4, 2014 Report Share Posted February 4, 2014 I load them in BP for my 10ga. Very nice, once you get the hang of working with a shorter wad column. Black powder is much easier to deal with on custom shotgun loads. Less danger of overpressure, and still loads of power. and smoke, and corrosion.....lol Smoke is minimal if you load properly. As far as corrosion goes, I clean my guns, so it's not an issue. I can clean my 10GA double in less than 5 mins with Ballistol and have NO corrosion issues at ALL. In fact, it's easier to clean than if I use modern loads. No plastic wad fouling to scrape out. 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
psl sniper 963 Posted February 4, 2014 Author Report Share Posted February 4, 2014 have you tried any in 12 gauge? Quote Link to post Share on other sites
patriot 7,197 Posted February 4, 2014 Report Share Posted February 4, 2014 Yeah. All the time for Cowboy Action Shooting. You can't run them in a gas gun. Too much carbon and heat. Want a real treat? 12 or 10ga hull. Load 100gr 1F, ONE 1/2" fiber wad, then 1 oz shot, buffered with flour, then crimp. Fire at dusk or dark. If there's little wind, and you have the right amount of buffer (I forget how much) you get a BIG flash and a HUGE fuel/air BOOM! that thumps your chest. 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
psl sniper 963 Posted February 5, 2014 Author Report Share Posted February 5, 2014 These are to be run in a pump. I wouldnt mind at least knowing how to load black powder loads. Just in case. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
gunfun 3,931 Posted February 5, 2014 Report Share Posted February 5, 2014 For those roundball slugs above, are you crimping before seating the ball, then just snap fitting the projectile? Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Sim_Player 1,939 Posted February 5, 2014 Report Share Posted February 5, 2014 Increasing the number of rounds carried in a self-defense pump shotgun, by loading "shorties", would be nice. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
gunfun 3,931 Posted February 5, 2014 Report Share Posted February 5, 2014 Yeah. All the time for Cowboy Action Shooting. You can't run them in a gas gun. Too much carbon and heat. Want a real treat? 12 or 10ga hull. Load 100gr 1F, ONE 1/2" fiber wad, then 1 oz shot, buffered with flour, then crimp. Fire at dusk or dark. If there's little wind, and you have the right amount of buffer (I forget how much) you get a BIG flash and a HUGE fuel/air BOOM! that thumps your chest. I've heard of that before, minus the shot. That could be fun for clay shooting. Any recipes like that for smokeless powder? It would be a pretty fun thing to dump an MD20 of those. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
patriot 7,197 Posted February 5, 2014 Report Share Posted February 5, 2014 Yeah. All the time for Cowboy Action Shooting. You can't run them in a gas gun. Too much carbon and heat. Want a real treat? 12 or 10ga hull. Load 100gr 1F, ONE 1/2" fiber wad, then 1 oz shot, buffered with flour, then crimp. Fire at dusk or dark. If there's little wind, and you have the right amount of buffer (I forget how much) you get a BIG flash and a HUGE fuel/air BOOM! that thumps your chest. I've heard of that before, minus the shot. That could be fun for clay shooting. Any recipes like that for smokeless powder? It would be a pretty fun thing to dump an MD20 of those. Nothing for smokeless. Sorry. For a semi, I run these very quickly out of my Remington 11. (Browning A5). It's a recoil operated semi. It sounds great...sort of like a full auto artillery piece. 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
psl sniper 963 Posted February 5, 2014 Author Report Share Posted February 5, 2014 i wonder if coffee creamer would work better...... i have the black powder just no fiber wads. also what hulls where you using? i may have to try this one. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
psl sniper 963 Posted February 5, 2014 Author Report Share Posted February 5, 2014 For those roundball slugs above, are you crimping before seating the ball, then just snap fitting the projectile? using my lee load all. i basicly cut the shell down to length. deprime reprime like normal. add powder. ive been using the waa12r wads as they where the shortest i had. next remove all petals from wad. seat wad in, then i use the resizing ring as a "lifter" place under hull to start a small crimp (about halfway) then i move it to the crimping station. i have a small metal adapter i made that i place above the started crim and use the crimper to push the top in. once ive gotten basicly a poor mans roll crimp i move the shell back to the priming post, place the round ball in the opening and use the post to seat the slug. one thats done i have another small ring i use to smooth out the top. its a little more involved than making the full length shells. if i where to actually moddify the loader i could speed up the procces quite a bit. im actually going to be trying to get another load all soon as mine is starting to crack on the bottom. (plastic base) i may fix the old one a bit and moddify it permanantly for mini rounds. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
patriot 7,197 Posted February 5, 2014 Report Share Posted February 5, 2014 (edited) i wonder if coffee creamer would work better...... i have the black powder just no fiber wads. also what hulls where you using? i may have to try this one. Coffee creamer makes a nice fireball. Sawdust makes sparks. Any hull will do. BP isn't that hull sensitive. If you don't have fiber wads, you can make some with a gasket punch and a sheet of celotex. You can get the fiber wads from bpi inc. or dixie gun works. Any time I work up a new effects type load, I use a test gun, mounted and fired remotely. Instead of a fiber wad, try a ball of 0000 steel wool wrapped in a single layer of newsprint, then flour or creamer. You can skip the shot and load up on the buffer instead. The steel wool makes a beautiful comet trailing sparks. Another one: rub the steel wool in the flour before loading. Use a bit of newsprint to keep the flour from migrating into the powder. You don't want to have a premature ignition. As always, you are on your own with these or any other loads you try. I assume no responsibility for the consequences. ...and be careful not to start a fire with any of these. Treat them as incendiary loads. Best on a rainy evening. Edited February 5, 2014 by patriot Quote Link to post Share on other sites
patriot 7,197 Posted February 5, 2014 Report Share Posted February 5, 2014 Mods: It'd be great if one of you would break out the effects load section of this thread into its own thread. Thanks Quote Link to post Share on other sites
psl sniper 963 Posted February 5, 2014 Author Report Share Posted February 5, 2014 Mods: It'd be great if one of you would break out the effects load section of this thread into its own thread. Thanks or you could just start a new thread and cut and paste it over. i will be trying these out one of these days. i also use an old shotgun for test rounds. its an old bolt action deal. figure if i screw it up no great loss. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
gunfun 3,931 Posted February 5, 2014 Report Share Posted February 5, 2014 For those roundball slugs above, are you crimping before seating the ball, then just snap fitting the projectile? using my lee load all. i basicly cut the shell down to length. deprime reprime like normal. add powder. ive been using the waa12r wads as they where the shortest i had. next remove all petals from wad. seat wad in, then i use the resizing ring as a "lifter" place under hull to start a small crimp (about halfway) then i move it to the crimping station. i have a small metal adapter i made that i place above the started crim and use the crimper to push the top in. once ive gotten basicly a poor mans roll crimp i move the shell back to the priming post, place the round ball in the opening and use the post to seat the slug. one thats done i have another small ring i use to smooth out the top. its a little more involved than making the full length shells. if i where to actually moddify the loader i could speed up the procces quite a bit. im actually going to be trying to get another load all soon as mine is starting to crack on the bottom. (plastic base) i may fix the old one a bit and moddify it permanantly for mini rounds. wanna buy mine? Quote Link to post Share on other sites
psl sniper 963 Posted February 5, 2014 Author Report Share Posted February 5, 2014 For those roundball slugs above, are you crimping before seating the ball, then just snap fitting the projectile? using my lee load all. i basicly cut the shell down to length. deprime reprime like normal. add powder. ive been using the waa12r wads as they where the shortest i had. next remove all petals from wad. seat wad in, then i use the resizing ring as a "lifter" place under hull to start a small crimp (about halfway) then i move it to the crimping station. i have a small metal adapter i made that i place above the started crim and use the crimper to push the top in. once ive gotten basicly a poor mans roll crimp i move the shell back to the priming post, place the round ball in the opening and use the post to seat the slug. one thats done i have another small ring i use to smooth out the top. its a little more involved than making the full length shells. if i where to actually moddify the loader i could speed up the procces quite a bit. im actually going to be trying to get another load all soon as mine is starting to crack on the bottom. (plastic base) i may fix the old one a bit and moddify it permanantly for mini rounds. wanna buy mine? maybe. send me a p.m on price. id like to get the old one,as i believe it has an aluminum base? correct me if im wrong. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
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