nipper2u 101 Posted February 20, 2014 Report Share Posted February 20, 2014 (edited) Hello everyone, I am trying to make a decision on the name of my Perpetual NFA Trust. A part of me wants to be clever (like "In God We Trust" or "In Guns We Trust") or something in Latin. But a part of me says to be practical and serious with the name that obviously ties it to me since LEOs or ATF won't have a sense of humor (like "Last Name Trust"). But then another part says to use initials that don't obviously state my name (like "S.I. Trust"). This will be for Form 4 weapons so I don't plan to engrave it anywhere, but I guess that should be a consideration as well. Anyone with real world trust experience have thoughts or insight? Thanks for your time and consideration. Edited February 20, 2014 by some idiot Quote Link to post Share on other sites
haugpatr 972 Posted February 20, 2014 Report Share Posted February 20, 2014 How about Hope and Change Trust? Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Yoshi 87 Posted February 20, 2014 Report Share Posted February 20, 2014 I had the same idea, I called our friends in Washington and the woman told me that she highly discouraged a similar name. I was told your legal name is the best option in a matter of words. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
U.S. Pratorean 1,234 Posted February 20, 2014 Report Share Posted February 20, 2014 (edited) Use initials and make it as short as possible because that has to be engraved on your gun. Mine is 18 letters including city and state, shorter than this sentence. Edited February 20, 2014 by JAG 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
storm6490 2,768 Posted February 20, 2014 Report Share Posted February 20, 2014 (edited) You aren't doing a revocable trust? Here is my top three names for your corporation. SKULL F DA PIG METH LAB GAT INC GAY THEME HERE On a more serious note, If you are setting up a good RT, Pick 3 letters that represent or are symbolic of something. KISS. keeping it simple. Don't stick out. I had the same idea, I called our friends in Washington and the woman told me that she highly discouraged a similar name. I was told your legal name is the best option in a matter of words. That chick wants you to make it simple for her. You set up the trust to draw a fine legal line between you and your assets. Why the fuck would you use the same name? You can call it UNICORN if you want. Nothing is best. Edited February 20, 2014 by Stryker0946 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
DLT 1,646 Posted February 20, 2014 Report Share Posted February 20, 2014 Fast and Furious Trust 2 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Ronin38 2,117 Posted February 20, 2014 Report Share Posted February 20, 2014 "Mind Your Own Business" Trust is probably taken already? "Nasty Fake Agency" Trust probably wouldn't go over well , either... 2 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
jgillaspy 24 Posted February 20, 2014 Report Share Posted February 20, 2014 I went with "JEG Trust," my initials, for mine. Wan't planning on needing to engrave anything, but now I probably will for an SBR. Glad I went with something short... jgillaspy Quote Link to post Share on other sites
nipper2u 101 Posted February 20, 2014 Author Report Share Posted February 20, 2014 Thanks guys...some, uh, great suggestions, as always. Keep them coming. The perpetual trust works like a revocable trust but has some additional provisions, such as it can carry over for future generations as opposed to just my lifetime. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
sunnybean 939 Posted February 20, 2014 Report Share Posted February 20, 2014 "Broken" Quote Link to post Share on other sites
XD45 7,124 Posted February 20, 2014 Report Share Posted February 20, 2014 I went with (Initials) NFA Trust Quote Link to post Share on other sites
sunnybean 939 Posted February 20, 2014 Report Share Posted February 20, 2014 "Dis" 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
thebuns1 4,323 Posted February 20, 2014 Report Share Posted February 20, 2014 How about Some Idiot? Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Maxwelhse 1,285 Posted February 21, 2014 Report Share Posted February 21, 2014 When it comes to all things legal, the simplest is the best. If you want to make a statement buy a T-shirt. Don't dick around with the law. There is no need to provoke some liberal judge to cop an illegal (but upheld by the court) attitude about your trust at some later time because you wanted to be cute. Just stick to something basic and simple. $0.02 given... Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Big John! 2,062 Posted February 21, 2014 Report Share Posted February 21, 2014 I did first/last name. I guess I should actually do some research as I had no idea things had to be engraved. Is this for everything NFA? Quote Link to post Share on other sites
sccritterkiller 473 Posted February 21, 2014 Report Share Posted February 21, 2014 I like "Come and Take It"...but that's probably a bit long...LOL I would just stick with your Initials. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Maxwelhse 1,285 Posted February 21, 2014 Report Share Posted February 21, 2014 I would just stick with your Initials. GREAT idea. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
sunnybean 939 Posted February 21, 2014 Report Share Posted February 21, 2014 I did first/last name. I guess I should actually do some research as I had no idea things had to be engraved. Is this for everything NFA? Anything you register on a Form 1. Everything on a Form 4 was made by someone else and their info will be on the item you've transferred in. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Atomic Punk 25 Posted February 21, 2014 Report Share Posted February 21, 2014 My lawyer highly discouraged anything other than [Last Name] Trust. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
nipper2u 101 Posted February 21, 2014 Author Report Share Posted February 21, 2014 After doing some research and speaking with my lawyer I will be using a combination of initials and my last name. Thanks again for all of your input. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
MCASgt New River 10,036 Posted February 27, 2014 Report Share Posted February 27, 2014 "Mind Your Own Business" Trust is probably taken already? "Nasty Fake Agency" Trust probably wouldn't go over well , either... I am POSITIVE that the names of trusts get used time and again and again and again. So, we all could have the "123 Revocable Living Trust" and if they were all done correctly they would all get approved. Additionally, for reasoning or intent for the item...almost anything can be used here too. Have fun, be safe, and let us know what you go with. Just FYI, mine is "NFA Assets Revocable Living Trust." Knowing the name is worthless unless you have make, model, weapon specifications, serial numbers and the almighty signature to tie to it. Gunny NR Quote Link to post Share on other sites
sunnybean 939 Posted February 27, 2014 Report Share Posted February 27, 2014 While zombies have been used for a reason to make, don't do it. Yes, sometimes it may make it through but why risk increasing your wait just to be cute. I would advise using, "All lawful reasons". 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
BigChongus 765 Posted February 27, 2014 Report Share Posted February 27, 2014 "Dis" Winner Quote Link to post Share on other sites
gunfun 3,931 Posted February 27, 2014 Report Share Posted February 27, 2014 post Number 21 FTW. Yep something with few characters to engrave. Keep it simple and clear so you don accidentally screw it up later i.e. "The NunYaBidness trust" could get screwed up as: "NunYaBidness trust" "The Nun Ya Bidness trust" and so forth. Same with initials NYB trust or N.Y.B. Trust. Makes sure the legal name of your trust exactly matches what you plan to engrave on all things into the future. So the "_Entire Text of the 2nd Amendment_ trust"is not going to work well on the end cap of a .22lR can. You could call it the Individual Liberty Trust. One guy I know did the name of a street he used to live on. i.e. Ash Street Trust. I don't think they can legally object to a trust name based on taste. I don't know though. There may be restrictions against cuss words or something like "Kill ---Elected Official- Trust." But I wouldn't play games with the purpose and use thing. While I'm not giving any legal advice, you may or may not be able to get away with a lot of stuff. I just know when I can afford to stamp collect, my form 4 will say "any lawful purpose" not "zombies." 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
corbin 621 Posted February 28, 2014 Report Share Posted February 28, 2014 I went with my last name. I've been thinking about engraving "Civilian use only" on some of them somewhere too. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
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