Bretonmaitre 36 Posted March 7, 2014 Report Share Posted March 7, 2014 Thinking of picking up an AK pistol to SBR. Zastava PAP M85 in 556 or an M92 in 7.62 x 39? I already have a 7.62 and like the inexpensive price for ammo. Thinking of using it for HD, truck gun and short range target shooting. Maintaining that 7.62 punch in a short barrel is a plus. On the other hand, 556/223 may be more available and less likely to penetrate walls in a HD scenario. Any advice to help me make up my mind? What would you do and why? P.S. Telling me to get a half dozen of each won't help me decide! Quote Link to post Share on other sites
EthanM 514 Posted March 7, 2014 Report Share Posted March 7, 2014 (edited) I would just get a 7.62 and keep stock pilling ammo lol since you already have a rifle in 762 the mags should work in both. I prefer to keep weapons the same caliber as each other if they are of the same platform (ak 7.62x39, ar 556, etc). But with that said, I would love to have an ak in 556 that was converted to take ar 15 magazines. That would be the only way I would probably own a 556 ak though because I have a ton of ar mags. Ps. Just get both lol Edited March 7, 2014 by Ethan M 3 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
TapeWorm3 104 Posted March 7, 2014 Report Share Posted March 7, 2014 I have an M85 as a truck gun. Love it. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
LuPiN8oR 333 Posted March 7, 2014 Report Share Posted March 7, 2014 Caliber consolidation is a huge plus. So is ammo cost. Availability is on par between both calibers (i.e, one idiot sends the nation into another damned panic). Plus 7.62x39 does very well out of short barrels, ive heard evidence to the contrary regarding 5.56. Its a no brainer to me, 7.62x39 all the way. In fact at current prices get 2 x39 paps, sbr one and leave the other in pistol form. 3 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
sunnybean 939 Posted March 7, 2014 Report Share Posted March 7, 2014 Yep. 3 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Spartacus 1,619 Posted March 7, 2014 Report Share Posted March 7, 2014 Or you could just get an under folder and forget the tax stamp. It won't have quite the cool factor, but it will be close to the same thing. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
BigChongus 765 Posted March 7, 2014 Report Share Posted March 7, 2014 (edited) In addition to the points the others have brought up, both rounds will over-penetrate the hell out of interior walls, so 5.56 gets no points there. http://www.theboxotruth.com/docs/bot14.htm 7.62 would be my choice if I were in your shoes. Edited March 7, 2014 by W8lifter 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
mancat 2,368 Posted March 7, 2014 Report Share Posted March 7, 2014 (edited) One reason why you might want to hold off on the M85, is that Zastava is working on a version that will include a factory STANAG magwell. Personally I think the M92 is the better option. It's lighter than the M85 (though a full 30-rd mag of 7.62x39 offsets that extra weight I suppose), and 7.62x39 retains most of its velocity and energy out of the 10" barrel while 5.56 doesn't. Edited March 7, 2014 by mancat 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
saltydecimator 482 Posted March 7, 2014 Report Share Posted March 7, 2014 mancat ftw... someone link that bad azz article about short barrel aks and how heavier bullets woud be good Quote Link to post Share on other sites
XD45 7,124 Posted March 7, 2014 Report Share Posted March 7, 2014 (edited) Without getting too far into the weeds, the internal ballistics of the x39 are superior to the 556 from a 10" barrel. The most important number for short barrels is the case volume to bullet diameter ratio. Pistol calibers (obviously designed to use in short barrels) have a large diameter bullet and a small case volume. Rifles have smaller diameter bullets with larger case volumes. It takes a long barrel to allow that extra powder to burn. The x39 falls in the middle. It's got the smallest case volume to bullet diameter of any common rifle cartridge. Obviously this is the same reason the 300blk is a superior sbr cartridge. Edited March 7, 2014 by Darth Saigus Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Salmonking 149 Posted March 7, 2014 Report Share Posted March 7, 2014 Just looking at this from a legal perspective, most DAs would be overjoyed if someone defended their home with a class III weapon. If not legal, you could be looking at civil, and who wants to get their sweet new SBR taken away as "evidence"?For caliber, stick with 762x39. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
XD45 7,124 Posted March 7, 2014 Report Share Posted March 7, 2014 Yep the HD use of class 3 is not recommended. I would not use the Pit Bull for HD even though it would be a great choice. It is strictly a range toy unless (until) society collapses. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Bretonmaitre 36 Posted March 7, 2014 Author Report Share Posted March 7, 2014 I am proud to say that I am the happy owner of a new M92! I decided to go with the 7.62 version for this purchase for many reasons including that I already have beaucoup mags. Thank you to everyone for your help and advise. 7 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Mullet Man 2,114 Posted March 9, 2014 Report Share Posted March 9, 2014 Good choice. Look it over thoroughly at your FFL's, some of the newest batch of m92's have flaws. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Pete Le Hachoir 16 Posted March 10, 2014 Report Share Posted March 10, 2014 I love my M92. It is my current favorite. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
alpoe78 13 Posted March 11, 2014 Report Share Posted March 11, 2014 i got both and happy with them can't go wrong either way Quote Link to post Share on other sites
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