Wagnikov 186 Posted March 28, 2014 Report Share Posted March 28, 2014 This for my homies. Or whatever. And the nah-saying bs parrots. Top photo. I argued he didn't hit the target with second shot. So we walked up and sho-nuf. I said it was luck and shoot a third. We'll, that's the second photo. Third was my three shots @50. Show two shot groups as I adjusted the eotech. Fourth pic laces wide open the tumbling/ non spinning- might as we'll put a musket ball in it modern day if it ain't rifled you will have 4' groups at 10 yards talk. It a brenneke KO Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Wagnikov 186 Posted March 29, 2014 Author Report Share Posted March 29, 2014 Lively bunch on here, apparently couldn't get past the sarcasm. This was supposed to be the second photo. And yes I'm very pleased with the saiga20 and the cheap and readily available slugs. I had set my tolerance at 4" groups as that is openly acceptable for deer at 50yds. Had the same precision with the 12g. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
IndyArms 10,186 Posted March 31, 2014 Report Share Posted March 31, 2014 Brenneke KO slugs are made for smoothbore or rifled barrel shotguns. The KO is an improved Foster type slug with excellent penetration. The K.O is an ideal deer load and offers superb accuracy at medium ranges. Like all other Brenneke slugs it has build in guaranteed knockdown power. Typically foster style slugs are for smoothbore shotties. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Wagnikov 186 Posted March 31, 2014 Author Report Share Posted March 31, 2014 We'll I'm about to shit my pants that someone is alive on here, thought the zombies hoards infected s20 forum. But Indy I don't understand your reply. You made a statement, cited a quote, and then clarified that ko are an improved foster. I intentionally selected all of the equip and furniture for my s20 as a deer slug gun. I bought every brand of foster I could get. Based on cost, availability, accuracy, and ballistics. I was very impressed with the ko and have since filled a .50 cal box full. I set out to build the softest shooting 20ga possible. The only concern I had was the accuracy and it was basically perfect, as those shots were still with zero magnification red dot. The clean cut, and perfect splines indicate that infact the "rifling" on the slug does more than simply allow compliance with choke interference. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Wagnikov 186 Posted April 1, 2014 Author Report Share Posted April 1, 2014 Im a sarcastic asshole. But humble enough to respect a response from a saiga veteran such as yourself. I know members on here have been working with these guns for 20years now. So don't think I don't know my place. But I have found people in general to be sheep, and with the advent of the internet there "analysis paralysis" to gain legitimacy purely through ignorant agreement. The court of public opinion is often wrong! In such, I love to give real world facts and experiences so others can confidently forge forward and eliminate fears and lies. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Wagnikov 186 Posted April 1, 2014 Author Report Share Posted April 1, 2014 I can type in monotone if it is easier for sheeple...err people. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
sunnybean 939 Posted April 1, 2014 Report Share Posted April 1, 2014 It's the S20 sub forum. Never been much love here. :-( They make neat holes. :-) 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
IndyArms 10,186 Posted April 4, 2014 Report Share Posted April 4, 2014 I was just trying to point out that a brenneke KO will perform much better than the other brennke offerings, out of a smoothbore shotgun. That was all. And if you get good accuracy with them... dont fuck with what works Its all good!!! Quote Link to post Share on other sites
gunfun 3,931 Posted April 4, 2014 Report Share Posted April 4, 2014 We'll I'm about to shit my pants that someone is alive on here, thought the zombies hoards infected s20 forum. But Indy I don't understand your reply. You made a statement, cited a quote, and then clarified that ko are an improved foster. I intentionally selected all of the equip and furniture for my s20 as a deer slug gun. I bought every brand of foster I could get. Based on cost, availability, accuracy, and ballistics. I was very impressed with the ko and have since filled a .50 cal box full. I set out to build the softest shooting 20ga possible. The only concern I had was the accuracy and it was basically perfect, as those shots were still with zero magnification red dot. The clean cut, and perfect splines indicate that infact the "rifling" on the slug does more than simply allow compliance with choke interference. They do slightly more. They do not create spin, but they do cause the projectile to have tight fit to bore so that alignment is good on exit. There is ample high speed photography documenting this. Moreover, none of the major manufacturers make any claim that "rifled" slugs have any spin from a smooth bore. That promotes accuracy, Breneke's key feature that diffeerentiates it from fosters is that its wad forms a tail to keep it straight under flight. Either can generally be used in smooth or rifled barrels. 20 ga is very popular as a hunting slug gun, and typically is considered to be more optimum profile of projectile than 12 Ga. For a given weight and velocity, 62 cal is going to be more aerodynamic than 69 cal. It's still a blunt freight train of a projectile. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Wagnikov 186 Posted April 4, 2014 Author Report Share Posted April 4, 2014 We'll I'm about to shit my pants that someone is alive on here, thought the zombies hoards infected s20 forum. But Indy I don't understand your reply. You made a statement, cited a quote, and then clarified that ko are an improved foster. I intentionally selected all of the equip and furniture for my s20 as a deer slug gun. I bought every brand of foster I could get. Based on cost, availability, accuracy, and ballistics. I was very impressed with the ko and have since filled a .50 cal box full. I set out to build the softest shooting 20ga possible. The only concern I had was the accuracy and it was basically perfect, as those shots were still with zero magnification red dot. The clean cut, and perfect splines indicate that infact the "rifling" on the slug does more than simply allow compliance with choke interference. They do slightly more. They do not create spin, but they do cause the projectile to have tight fit to bore so that alignment is good on exit. There is ample high speed photography documenting this. Moreover, none of the major manufacturers make any claim that "rifled" slugs have any spin from a smooth bore. That promotes accuracy, Breneke's key feature that diffeerentiates it from fosters is that its wad forms a tail to keep it straight under flight. Either can generally be used in smooth or rifled barrels. 20 ga is very popular as a hunting slug gun, and typically is considered to be more optimum profile of projectile than 12 Ga. For a given weight and velocity, 62 cal is going to be more aerodynamic than 69 cal. It's still a blunt freight train of a projectile. +1 on the wad/tail concept it pushes very square out the bore, and follows the slug to at least 50yds Quote Link to post Share on other sites
gunfun 3,931 Posted April 4, 2014 Report Share Posted April 4, 2014 I've been hoping someone like claybusters will sell a component tail which can snap onto self cast slugs. I'd buy a whole new mold to use that. Btw, Brenekes are generally considered to be a premium slug, not junk. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Wagnikov 186 Posted April 4, 2014 Author Report Share Posted April 4, 2014 I was just trying to point out that a brenneke KO will perform much better than the other brennke offerings, out of a smoothbore shotgun. That was all. And if you get good accuracy with them... dont fuck with what works Its all good!!! No kidding Indy. I was prepared tap barrel to accept paradox rifled chokes if nessecary, but this thing could do head shots factory! LolApparently they only sold (10) s20. ?! Lmfao. More bulk 20ga ammo for us! I'm gonna make an threaded adapter to screw on s12 muzzle devices. If it works out I can make some for whomever may be interested. Details and picks to follow. It says there basically for looks anyway. Eventually I'd like to make an adapter that takes win chokes and s12 on the outside. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Wagnikov 186 Posted April 4, 2014 Author Report Share Posted April 4, 2014 I've been hoping someone like claybusters will sell a component tail which can snap onto self cast slugs. I'd buy a whole new mold to use that. Btw, Brenekes are generally considered to be a premium slug, not junk. Seriously no one caught my sarcasm? To be clear, I think fosters are underrated for marketing/sales purposes and ak get a bad wrap for accuracy. If a person were to extrapolate (ak accuracy x smooth bore accuracy=projectile leaving bore at 45deg vector! Lol) I was pleasantly surprised. I bought an eotch just to rule out aiming consistency. Kinda thing there ugly and bulky on an ak. But wanted to give the s20 every possibility to become what I had hoped for. And now it does. Slugs shoot like 12ga bird shot Quote Link to post Share on other sites
gunfun 3,931 Posted April 4, 2014 Report Share Posted April 4, 2014 It seems like I've gotten at the worst something like 7 MOA or less standing with a scope at 100 with remington and winchester fosters. I really need to put the time in to verify excactly how good I can get with the Lee slugs I cast. I've been wanting a Lyman 525 for a while now. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
MIKE20GA 11 Posted April 8, 2014 Report Share Posted April 8, 2014 it is lonesome here on this forum ........... and you can bet us few caught your sarcasm and candor ......... Can slugs be shot out of a plain old stock S-20 ? Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Wagnikov 186 Posted April 8, 2014 Author Report Share Posted April 8, 2014 It's my understanding that slugs n buckshot are what these guns are MADE for! Quote Link to post Share on other sites
MIKE20GA 11 Posted April 9, 2014 Report Share Posted April 9, 2014 It's my understanding that slugs n buckshot are what these guns are MADE for! Well that would be just great .....It seem's to me that my other 20 ga. shotguns (H&R Pardner Pump and Mossberg SA-20 Turkey Thug semi-auto ) get a recommendation by their manufactures NOT to shoot slugs . I have to say that a big fat ball of lead right into the belly or chest would really mess up someone's dinner plans ....... Quote Link to post Share on other sites
saltydecimator 482 Posted May 9, 2014 Report Share Posted May 9, 2014 i only been home rolling, and afraid of same accuracy outta 20 that i get in 12... which is not too good. the lymans are tits tho... no amount of shaming is gonna force people to post over here thouhg...if they dont sell alotta 20s not gonna be alotta folks over here to talk about em Quote Link to post Share on other sites
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