Rob_R 0 Posted April 13, 2014 Report Share Posted April 13, 2014 (edited) Hello all, Just installed the bullet guide on my Saiga 7.62, its one from carolina shooters supply. When I hand cycle the rifle I'm getting a pretty consistent failure of the shell to be extracted from the chamber. Seems to feed fine, just isnt getting the round out. It was working fine before the guide was installed. I'd guess that the bullet guide is keeping the bolt from going fully forward and the guide might be a little too long, even though it looks like the bolt is closing on the chamber fine when I push the carrier forward. Am I on the right track with the guide being too long, or is there something else that might be the problem? Thanks. Edited April 13, 2014 by Rob_R Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Inebriated 31 Posted April 13, 2014 Report Share Posted April 13, 2014 Are you easing it forward or letting it slam home? Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Rhodes1968 1,638 Posted April 13, 2014 Report Share Posted April 13, 2014 Good pics is the only way to tell honestly. I used to always take the sharp edges off and smooth it up a bit, just seemed logical. Anyway Several suspects. From what Ineb asked to how many mags are involved, type ect. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Inebriated 31 Posted April 13, 2014 Report Share Posted April 13, 2014 ^Well, reason I only asked about that specifically is that I've seen several AK's that wouldn't extract if the bolt didn't go forward with enough "oomph" to let the extractor slip over the rim of the case. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Rob_R 0 Posted April 13, 2014 Author Report Share Posted April 13, 2014 I'm letting it slam home when I'm testing it, and pulling it back sharply. The mags are commie surplus steel, tried 3 of them, ammo is a mix of wolf and tula. I just did a crappy contact test with a paint marker I had around, it looks like there might be contact with the upper left side of the guide, but thats not conclusive b/c the marker paint didnt do a very good job. I'll try that again when I get somethign decent to cover the guide in. It'll be a little while before I can get some pics up. I'll see if there is any contact and try smoothing out the edges. How'd you go about doing that? Something like 400-600 grit sandpaper? Quote Link to post Share on other sites
YOT 3,743 Posted April 13, 2014 Report Share Posted April 13, 2014 Rob, use lip stick. It cleans off better than paint. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
ChileRelleno 7,071 Posted April 13, 2014 Report Share Posted April 13, 2014 Is this a round trunnion rifle? Did you properly position the guide? It shouldn't go past the lip on the lower right face of the chamber. On the 7.62x39 round trunnion rifles, the right hand edge should line up with the raised step in the face of the barrel/chamber face at approx 4 o'clock. Make sure it doesn't go right of that boundary or the bolt may contact it. All other guides are centered in the rifle. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Rob_R 0 Posted April 14, 2014 Author Report Share Posted April 14, 2014 Its round trunion. Position looks pretty much the same as your pic, I used a reg saiga mag as a guide as to where the bullet guide should be installed. It seems like my guide is longer below the attachment screw, but mine isnt worn like that, and your guide is foreshortened in that pic, so its hard to be sure. Havent gotten a chance to mess with it yet today, I'll do that stuff that was talked about and let you all know how it goes. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Rob_R 0 Posted April 15, 2014 Author Report Share Posted April 15, 2014 Ok, I figured out what was up. I'd filed the mag catch so that it was just barely accepting commie mags, and was holding them really tightly. I didnt want to remove too much, but it seems I didnt remove enough, and I guess it must have been holding the mag too high, or at a weird angle or something and was interfering with the carrier coming home. I filed more off the catch and just cycled a mag through and everything seemed to work fine. I guess its better to have those a bit too loose cause its still grabbing some mags really tight. Anyway, thanks alot guys. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
YOT 3,743 Posted April 15, 2014 Report Share Posted April 15, 2014 You fit your mags to the gun, NOT fit the gun to the mags. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Rob_R 0 Posted April 16, 2014 Author Report Share Posted April 16, 2014 Heh, yeah. When I got 5 of 7 mags working I figured it was the 2 uncooperative mags that needed to get filed to fit, not the gun. Hopefully I wont get in any trouble for my intolerance towards magazine diversity... Quote Link to post Share on other sites
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