jerry52 893 Posted June 8, 2014 Report Share Posted June 8, 2014 It is with warm thanks to all who have shared their know how in videos and advice installing the (MSA, Texas AK and now Canis adapter) on this forum. First! Texas AK and Canis Have merged. Second I used a dremel with a 9902 carbide bit and took it slow (about 3 hours off and on) I had a 9903 but the 9902 did most of the work. Metal never got hot but the dill did. Went by the milling instructions that came with the adapter and when I hit .89 in depth, Bang! It snapped in and the pmag fit perfect. Had to grind the AK mag release rivets a little so the adapters release lever would work but it went great Old Saiga Mags work perfect. Pmag needs a bullet guide but I expected that I would need one and it is on its way. I had a great time doing it and a big thanks to all of you. This is a great fourm Quote Link to post Share on other sites
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gunman1 1,753 Posted June 8, 2014 Report Share Posted June 8, 2014 Didn't happen......no pics Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Big John! 2,062 Posted June 8, 2014 Report Share Posted June 8, 2014 Didn't happen......no pics No shit... I don't even know what this product is you speak of Quote Link to post Share on other sites
jerry52 893 Posted June 8, 2014 Author Report Share Posted June 8, 2014 Okay Okay I will ! Got called out last night Quote Link to post Share on other sites
jerry52 893 Posted June 8, 2014 Author Report Share Posted June 8, 2014 Here you go! 3 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Cobra 76 two 2,677 Posted June 9, 2014 Report Share Posted June 9, 2014 See I TOLD y'all it was real and also easy to install yourself....lol. I still have my original and it still rocks. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
jerry52 893 Posted June 9, 2014 Author Report Share Posted June 9, 2014 (edited) Bullet guide should be here this week, ordered it from Carolina Shooters because Dinzag was a week or two out. I guess the older Saigas did not need a bullet guide but the ones with a dimple do. When I checked it out the left side of the Pmag fed great but the right side was about a 1/8th inch low, hitting the end of the chamber. The great thing is, it will now use a big selection of mags AK and AR. I was never concerned with the cracking myth, it was the price $79 and having some rare time to do it. If I had a mill it would take about 20-30 minutes to do the job its really that easy. Think I will try to find a Saiga 223 somewhere and convert it for my brother with Canis's other adapter Edited June 9, 2014 by jerry52 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
jerry52 893 Posted July 6, 2014 Author Report Share Posted July 6, 2014 Finally got to our local public range to test out some reloads I have been working on and to test the Canis AR conversion to my Saiga. It worked flawlessly, I mean perfect. I let a few AR people shoot it and they fell in love with the gun right away. One said its shoots so smooth,another said" I want one." The only problem I had doing this conversion was breaking the tap off while installing the bullet guide (just froze it and punched it out, 10 min,) and the Carolina bullet guide did not work, so I had to make one with less taper. Going to order a half a dozen mags this month, Boy do i love this gun. 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
G O B 3,516 Posted July 6, 2014 Report Share Posted July 6, 2014 This was going to be my project for this year! UNFORTUNATELY The State of Maryland has decided to suspend the ability to legally buy any AK. SO--- This years project is to MOVE TO A FREE STATE! NEXT YEAR'S PROJECT: Get a 5.56 Saiga and install BG and adapter! 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
cscharlie 107 Posted July 6, 2014 Report Share Posted July 6, 2014 Finally got to our local public range to test out some reloads I have been working on and to test the Canis AR conversion to my Saiga. It worked flawlessly, I mean perfect. I let a few AR people shoot it and they fell in love with the gun right away. One said its shoots so smooth,another said" I want one." The only problem I had doing this conversion was breaking the tap off while installing the bullet guide (just froze it and punched it out, 10 min,) and the Carolina bullet guide did not work, so I had to make one with less taper. Going to order a half a dozen mags this month, Boy do i love this gun. DSGARMS has a fourth of july special on PMags 10 black Gen 2 for $79.95 with free shipping 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Big John! 2,062 Posted July 6, 2014 Report Share Posted July 6, 2014 I must be thick as a damn brick. Does this take the rock and lock outta the AK platform? I'm assuming your gun is .223? Can you use steel 7.62x39 mags with this? Inquiring minds want to know... Quote Link to post Share on other sites
mancat 2,368 Posted July 6, 2014 Report Share Posted July 6, 2014 technically you can use the adapter with any caliber that uses AR mags compatible with a standard multi-cal AR lower - e.g. 7.62x39. 5.56, 5.45x39, etc. 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
jerry52 893 Posted July 7, 2014 Author Report Share Posted July 7, 2014 I must be thick as a damn brick. Does this take the rock and lock outta the AK platform? I'm assuming your gun is .223? Can you use steel 7.62x39 mags with this? Inquiring minds want to know... John I know what you are saying. It took me a long long time to make the move. But you got to know that this adapter in the 223 is a beautiful thing , it is a better gun that can shoot all mags in its cal, making it super flexible. I was set on not converting it but the price went down and a little voice said "A hell go for it, if you ruin the gun just get another" The fact is I had a great time doing it. I do not have to use AR mags if I do Not want to. The fact is I want to. This is my go to gun for SHTF times, that's why I chose a 223 AK format. Common ammo for the USA and now I can use the AK format. I feel guns need to be like hunting dogs , you need to have them for a functional purpose. I say this with one exception and that is my Ruger 22/45 Lite that broke down at the range and will be going back to the factory Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Vance665 225 Posted July 7, 2014 Report Share Posted July 7, 2014 This is nice because you can still use AK mags. Im still leaning towards sending my saiga 223 to Definitive arms just for the last round bolt hold open feature. Im not sure though, I doubt I would want to use anything other than AR mags if I had either adaptor. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Big John! 2,062 Posted July 7, 2014 Report Share Posted July 7, 2014 I must be thick as a damn brick. Does this take the rock and lock outta the AK platform? I'm assuming your gun is .223? Can you use steel 7.62x39 mags with this? Inquiring minds want to know... John I know what you are saying. It took me a long long time to make the move. But you got to know that this adapter in the 223 is a beautiful thing , it is a better gun that can shoot all mags in its cal, making it super flexible. I was set on not converting it but the price went down and a little voice said "A hell go for it, if you ruin the gun just get another" The fact is I had a great time doing it. I do not have to use AR mags if I do Not want to. The fact is I want to. This is my go to gun for SHTF times, that's why I chose a 223 AK format. Common ammo for the USA and now I can use the AK format. I feel guns need to be like hunting dogs , you need to have them for a functional purpose. I say this with one exception and that is my Ruger 22/45 Lite that broke down at the range and will be going back to the factory I'd like to have one on my Saiga 7.62x39 but don't want to get rid of all of the steel mags I have for this. You say I can use my steel mags, so my question now is how will the aluminum adapter hold up to steel mags being rammed in them? Quote Link to post Share on other sites
jerry52 893 Posted July 7, 2014 Author Report Share Posted July 7, 2014 (edited) That is a good question as I am only using the poly p-mags . It is made withe same material as a AR lower so I am sure it will hold up. Others here have posted that some mags are tight in this adapter. But I installed it to use the lower cost p mags. I have not seen a post where they have been installed on anything but a 223 format, mancat seems to know about that. I do not . Edited July 7, 2014 by jerry52 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Cobra 76 two 2,677 Posted July 7, 2014 Report Share Posted July 7, 2014 I must be thick as a damn brick. Does this take the rock and lock outta the AK platform? I'm assuming your gun is .223? Can you use steel 7.62x39 mags with this? Inquiring minds want to know... technically you can use the adapter with any caliber that uses AR mags compatible with a standard multi-cal AR lower - e.g. 7.62x39. 5.56, 5.45x39, etc. I must be thick as a damn brick. Does this take the rock and lock outta the AK platform? I'm assuming your gun is .223? Can you use steel 7.62x39 mags with this? Inquiring minds want to know... John I know what you are saying. It took me a long long time to make the move. But you got to know that this adapter in the 223 is a beautiful thing , it is a better gun that can shoot all mags in its cal, making it super flexible. I was set on not converting it but the price went down and a little voice said "A hell go for it, if you ruin the gun just get another" The fact is I had a great time doing it. I do not have to use AR mags if I do Not want to. The fact is I want to. This is my go to gun for SHTF times, that's why I chose a 223 AK format. Common ammo for the USA and now I can use the AK format. I feel guns need to be like hunting dogs , you need to have them for a functional purpose. I say this with one exception and that is my Ruger 22/45 Lite that broke down at the range and will be going back to the factory I'd like to have one on my Saiga 7.62x39 but don't want to get rid of all of the steel mags I have for this. You say I can use my steel mags, so my question now is how will the aluminum adapter hold up to steel mags being rammed in them? John this video shot by Scout Joe and I a few years ago should help answer that question. The material is quite hard enough to never wear out but that isn't even an issue. When using steel AK mags the adapter is simply removed and replaced with the AK mag. This same adapter can be fitted to any other AK and use the equivalent AR mags too. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
jerry52 893 Posted July 7, 2014 Author Report Share Posted July 7, 2014 This is nice because you can still use AK mags. Im still leaning towards sending my saiga 223 to Definitive arms just for the last round bolt hold open feature. Im not sure though, I doubt I would want to use anything other than AR mags if I had either adaptor. It was the price that sold me $79. I must be thick as a damn brick. Does this take the rock and lock outta the AK platform? I'm assuming your gun is .223? Can you use steel 7.62x39 mags with this? Inquiring minds want to know... technically you can use the adapter with any caliber that uses AR mags compatible with a standard multi-cal AR lower - e.g. 7.62x39. 5.56, 5.45x39, etc. I must be thick as a damn brick. Does this take the rock and lock outta the AK platform? I'm assuming your gun is .223? Can you use steel 7.62x39 mags with this? Inquiring minds want to know... John I know what you are saying. It took me a long long time to make the move. But you got to know that this adapter in the 223 is a beautiful thing , it is a better gun that can shoot all mags in its cal, making it super flexible. I was set on not converting it but the price went down and a little voice said "A hell go for it, if you ruin the gun just get another" The fact is I had a great time doing it. I do not have to use AR mags if I do Not want to. The fact is I want to. This is my go to gun for SHTF times, that's why I chose a 223 AK format. Common ammo for the USA and now I can use the AK format. I feel guns need to be like hunting dogs , you need to have them for a functional purpose. I say this with one exception and that is my Ruger 22/45 Lite that broke down at the range and will be going back to the factory I'd like to have one on my Saiga 7.62x39 but don't want to get rid of all of the steel mags I have for this. You say I can use my steel mags, so my question now is how will the aluminum adapter hold up to steel mags being rammed in them? John this video shot by Scout Joe and I a few years ago should help answer that question. The material is quite hard enough to never wear out but that isn't even an issue. When using steel AK mags the adapter is simply removed and replaced with the AK mag. This same adapter can be fitted to any other AK and use the equivalent AR mags too. I thought he was talking about steel AR mags Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Cobra 76 two 2,677 Posted July 7, 2014 Report Share Posted July 7, 2014 I use my steel, aluminum, and poly AR mags with mine but prefer the P Mags so they get the most use. I doubt you will have problems from wear from just "ramimng" in steel mags though. It is the mag stops on the trunnion you will actually be ramming then into so all you are going to damage if anything is your feed lips...lol. Remember what Happy Gilmore said man.... "Just taaaaap it in.....tappytaptap...taaapppp it in." Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Vance665 225 Posted July 7, 2014 Report Share Posted July 7, 2014 It was the price that sold me $79. For that price ill try one. I like doing things myself anyway. Where did you buy yours from? Quote Link to post Share on other sites
jerry52 893 Posted July 7, 2014 Author Report Share Posted July 7, 2014 Here it is http://www.canisdesigngroup.com/m4-magazine-adapter-for-ak.html Looks like they have gone up 10 bucks but I think I got in a a special. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Big John! 2,062 Posted July 8, 2014 Report Share Posted July 8, 2014 I must be thick as a damn brick. Does this take the rock and lock outta the AK platform? I'm assuming your gun is .223? Can you use steel 7.62x39 mags with this? Inquiring minds want to know... technically you can use the adapter with any caliber that uses AR mags compatible with a standard multi-cal AR lower - e.g. 7.62x39. 5.56, 5.45x39, etc. I must be thick as a damn brick. Does this take the rock and lock outta the AK platform? I'm assuming your gun is .223? Can you use steel 7.62x39 mags with this? Inquiring minds want to know... John I know what you are saying. It took me a long long time to make the move. But you got to know that this adapter in the 223 is a beautiful thing , it is a better gun that can shoot all mags in its cal, making it super flexible. I was set on not converting it but the price went down and a little voice said "A hell go for it, if you ruin the gun just get another" The fact is I had a great time doing it. I do not have to use AR mags if I do Not want to. The fact is I want to. This is my go to gun for SHTF times, that's why I chose a 223 AK format. Common ammo for the USA and now I can use the AK format. I feel guns need to be like hunting dogs , you need to have them for a functional purpose. I say this with one exception and that is my Ruger 22/45 Lite that broke down at the range and will be going back to the factory I'd like to have one on my Saiga 7.62x39 but don't want to get rid of all of the steel mags I have for this. You say I can use my steel mags, so my question now is how will the aluminum adapter hold up to steel mags being rammed in them? John this video shot by Scout Joe and I a few years ago should help answer that question. The material is quite hard enough to never wear out but that isn't even an issue. When using steel AK mags the adapter is simply removed and replaced with the AK mag. This same adapter can be fitted to any other AK and use the equivalent AR mags too. I'm really not messing with you here... So... You take the adapter off to use ak mags... What Pmags are you using for 7.62x39??? Quote Link to post Share on other sites
jerry52 893 Posted July 8, 2014 Author Report Share Posted July 8, 2014 That's what I would like to know as well Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Cobra 76 two 2,677 Posted July 8, 2014 Report Share Posted July 8, 2014 Mine is installed on my Saiga .223 Rem. I don't have my x39 milled for one I was just mentioning the fact it will work in an x39 the same way. There are AR magazines available in this caliber. Not sure if Magpul has made any yet but I've seen metal mags before. I have some good pics somewhere of a Norinco AK someone modified for the adapter. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
jerry52 893 Posted July 9, 2014 Author Report Share Posted July 9, 2014 (edited) Here is a shot on how the Sagia worked Edited July 9, 2014 by jerry52 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Big John! 2,062 Posted July 9, 2014 Report Share Posted July 9, 2014 Ok... So I'm finally gathering that this is beneficial to 223 but not so much for 762. I don't want to search for mags. I'd love to eliminate the rock and lock, have a magwell, and use ak/pmag. My gun is far from traditional ak so adding such a thing (for 7.62x39) simply makes sense for me. This product is not that "thing". Quote Link to post Share on other sites
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