imarangemaster 315 Posted July 17, 2014 Report Share Posted July 17, 2014 (edited) http://www.treasury.gov/press-center/press-releases/Pages/jl2572.aspx Izhmash is one. Not sure how this will affect sporting arms like Saiga. I do understand the logic, though, because Russia is just annexing Ukraine unilaterally, whether Ukraine wants it or not. Edited July 17, 2014 by imarangemaster Quote Link to post Share on other sites
haugpatr 972 Posted July 17, 2014 Report Share Posted July 17, 2014 (edited) http://www.treasury.gov/press-center/press-releases/Pages/jl2572.aspx Izhmash is one. Not sure how this will affect sporting arms like Saiga. For now Saiga/Vepr are not importable. I do understand the logic, though, because Russia is just annexing Ukraine unilaterally, whether Ukraine wants it or not. It is none of our business or concern what happens there, besides we are broke. Edited July 17, 2014 by HOG76 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
imarangemaster 315 Posted July 17, 2014 Author Report Share Posted July 17, 2014 Hmmmmm...... Sure glad I got my Siaga when i did, two days ago. 2 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
rippedyambag 0 Posted July 17, 2014 Report Share Posted July 17, 2014 Any idea what this is gonna mean for Russian made ammo I'll stock up if that's included in the ban Quote Link to post Share on other sites
LuPiN8oR 333 Posted July 17, 2014 Report Share Posted July 17, 2014 I wouldn't panic too much on the ammo. Remember, wolf ammo is made in Ukraine and red army standard is romanian (pretty sure). other non affected sources from the former soviet satellite countries will be available even with russia being sanctioned. It just really sucks for saiga/vepr availability. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
G8R8U2 2 Posted July 17, 2014 Report Share Posted July 17, 2014 Hmmmmm...... Sure glad I got my Siaga when i did, two days ago. Me too, 10 days ago; I had only been considering one for about a week, and then got a great e-mail deal and jumped on it. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
rippedyambag 0 Posted July 17, 2014 Report Share Posted July 17, 2014 I just bought another one today because of this I'd rather have it then not Quote Link to post Share on other sites
MSCARD02 0 Posted July 17, 2014 Report Share Posted July 17, 2014 (edited) just giving everyone a heads up. You can still find some saigas and veprs for sale at www.gunwatcher.com Edited July 17, 2014 by MSCARD02 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
sirosisofliver 3 Posted July 17, 2014 Report Share Posted July 17, 2014 Snagged one yesterday at a good price. Glad I did. Have a Yugo N Pap and a Saiga 5.45 already, like the Saiga a lot better. Time to petition Congress on that it hurts some of our small businesses worse than it will hurt the Russians. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Protectandserve 6 Posted July 18, 2014 Report Share Posted July 18, 2014 Glad I got mine when I did. May check the budget and pick one up as an investment in case the prices jump up significantly. Worst case scenario, I have another Saiga Rifle... 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Bigtwin 219 Posted July 19, 2014 Report Share Posted July 19, 2014 Glad I got mine when I did. May check the budget and pick one up as an investment in case the prices jump up significantly. Worst case scenario, I have another Saiga Rifle... Worst case.....hell! That is the best case! I watched all the prices jump stupidly after SH , and thought , wow I can sell my $300 Saiga for $1000-1500 (and they were selling), then I was brought back to reality, could I ever get one at the price I paid? NOPE! Never one to sell firearms! 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
imarangemaster 315 Posted July 19, 2014 Author Report Share Posted July 19, 2014 Stock Saigas jumped $!00 to$150 on Gunbroker so far. There were some in the $450 range three weeks ago. Now going $550 and $600. It will be worse in a week or two when the word gets out. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
patriot 7,197 Posted July 19, 2014 Report Share Posted July 19, 2014 The REAL issue here is whether Putin will get pissed off by this or not. He is a scary son of a bitch. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Saigaczech 9 Posted July 19, 2014 Report Share Posted July 19, 2014 (edited) Been expecting this. One reason I scrambled to get a SGL-31 when all this Ukrainian BS started. Personally, I am on Russia's side in this, historically the Ukrainians were Nazi supporters who aided Hitler and are know to have major Neo-Nazi movement going (which is what started this whole thing). I am pretty sure it was the Ukranians military who shot down the plane as it helps them get support from the west. Nothing we need to get mixed up with. Next question, have enough ammo stacked up? Edited July 19, 2014 by Saigaczech 3 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Mike-4 0 Posted July 21, 2014 Report Share Posted July 21, 2014 (edited) Uncoverted Saigas going for $900 -1200 in CA. Crazy. Edited July 21, 2014 by Mike-4 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
imarangemaster 315 Posted July 21, 2014 Author Report Share Posted July 21, 2014 (edited) Uncoverted Saigas going for $900 -1200 in CA. Crazy. I just got mine three weeks ago at the local gunshop in Grass Valley, CA for $599.00. Prices have jumped on Gunbroker, but not as much as I would have expected. Upp about $150 to $200, but bidding is heavy. As far as ammo goes, I have 500 8M3 loaded Tula (ULYANOVSK) 124 grain HP, and about 700 Tula 122 grain FMJ from Wally World. On the 1st, I'll pick up another 500 or so. At 62, though, I don't shoot very much anymore (maybe 100 rounds per weapon, per year), so it should last me awhile. After that, it will be my son's and he'll worry about it. He's fairly well to do, and could buy US made ammo. Edited July 21, 2014 by imarangemaster Quote Link to post Share on other sites
SgtRaven 531 Posted July 21, 2014 Report Share Posted July 21, 2014 For current owners of Kalashnikov firearms, the Treasury Department has stated that firearms already owned by Americans or in the secondary market are not affected by the sanctions. In a FAQs that accompanied the July 16th announcement, the Treasury Department made clear: If a U.S. person is in possession of a Kalashnikov Concern product that was bought and fully paid for prior to the date of designation (i.e., no payment remains due to Kalashnikov Concern), then that product is not blocked and OFAC sanctions would not prohibit the U.S. person from keeping or selling the product in the secondary market, so long as Kalashnikov Concern has no interest in the transaction. Full article: http://www.nraila.org/legislation/federal-legislation/2014/7/obama-administration-bans-import-of-popular-russian-firearms.aspx Finally I own something that gain in value. 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
paprotective 362 Posted July 22, 2014 Report Share Posted July 22, 2014 The Wolf Mil-Classic says Russia.. and so does the Brown Bear (Barnaul). got 1K coming just in case.. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
mbjku 0 Posted September 7, 2014 Report Share Posted September 7, 2014 (edited) http://www.treasury.gov/press-center/press-releases/Pages/jl2572.aspx Izhmash is one. Not sure how this will affect sporting arms like Saiga. I do understand the logic, though, because Russia is just annexing Ukraine unilaterally, whether Ukraine wants it or not. As results any Izhmash made Saigas disappeared in my area stores, literally. I could still see them on armslist for the much higher price. I would suggest anyone who wish to get Russian AK or Saiga to hurry up. Nothing wrong happening with Russian ammo however, still all over internet with about same price. Edited September 7, 2014 by mbjku Quote Link to post Share on other sites
hdskumm 39 Posted September 7, 2014 Report Share Posted September 7, 2014 I don't think Saiga rifles are worth the price anymore. I passed one up a couple weeks ago for 589, now they're even higher. You can get an all new parts m10 for not much more, or a SLR-107 for the same price as what you have to put in a saiga for a decent DIY conversion. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
mbjku 0 Posted September 7, 2014 Report Share Posted September 7, 2014 (edited) I don't think Saiga rifles are worth the price anymore. I passed one up a couple weeks ago for 589, now they're even higher. You can get an all new parts m10 for not much more, or a SLR-107 for the same price as what you have to put in a saiga for a decent DIY conversion. Who will stop me to own both? In my area (NJ) non-Izhmash AK is very expensive, for example I could get Arsenal made AK clone for no less than $1200. But I am not big fan of clones or fakes even good ones. Edited September 7, 2014 by mbjku Quote Link to post Share on other sites
imarangemaster 315 Posted September 7, 2014 Author Report Share Posted September 7, 2014 I got mine for $600 out the door just before the ban (including $26 DROS and $45.00 tax. Worked out to $530 for the weapon). The fact that it is Russian made in the Izhmash AK factory (making REAL Russian AKs for 68 years) with a hammer forged chrome lined barrel, is worth a lot to me. With less than $200 to do a first rate conversion, you have a REAL Russian Automat Kalashnikov. Also, you can make it into what ever you want: East German side folder, Russian side fold, ACE stock, rails, or whatever. If I lived in free america, I would use an East German ( or Romanian) side folder and a Romanian pistol grip handguard. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
mbjku 0 Posted September 7, 2014 Report Share Posted September 7, 2014 (edited) I got mine for $600 out the door just before the ban (including $26 DROS and $45.00 tax. Worked out to $530 for the weapon). The fact that it is Russian made in the Izhmash AK factory (making REAL Russian AKs for 68 years) with a hammer forged chrome lined barrel, is worth a lot to me. With less than $200 to do a first rate conversion, you have a REAL Russian Automat Kalashnikov. Also, you can make it into what ever you want: East German side folder, Russian side fold, ACE stock, rails, or whatever. If I lived in free america, I would use an East German ( or Romanian) side folder and a Romanian pistol grip handguard. I agree, even it is not true "automat" which means fully automatic in Russian. Saiga rifle was created for hunting of Saigacs, antelope like animals use to grow huge population in asian part of Soviet Union. They destroyed plantations and quickest way for develop firearm to reduce Saigacs was AK based modified rifle. This is where Saiga name came from. But yes it is AK and I like it for this, Arsenal etc are clones/fakes and I have not much interest paying lot for getting them. I paid for each of mine Saiga's $553 + tax/charge Edited September 7, 2014 by mbjku Quote Link to post Share on other sites
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