xracer09 4 Posted July 22, 2014 Report Share Posted July 22, 2014 I have been out of the scene for awhile and while searching, I seem to be way, way behind in knowledge on my Saiga12. My S12 has a born on date of OCT 2009 and has the factory LRBHO installed in it. I recently ran into a what I consider unusual problem. The "tip" of the BHO lever that contacts the magazine nearly always catches on the brass of the shell, causing a misfeed. Is there a method to adjust the BHO lever or notch the mags to make it function correctly? This misfeed problem exists with all my mags to some degree or another, with the factory mag being the least problematic of the bunch. I'm pretty sure removal of the LRBHO will solve the problem, but I'm not the type to just pull parts out only to find I have created another issue. I am sure this has been posted somewhere here in the past, but my search terminology is not leading me to the solution. Any help would be appreciated, including a snarky reply with a link to the solution, and some verbal abuse for letting all this good knowledge pass me by. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
SLR 10 Posted July 22, 2014 Report Share Posted July 22, 2014 You are talking about an s12 with a magwell and lrbho? I am unsure if there are versions other than that that have the factory lrbho. Anyway, It might not be the best method, but I removed my lever and put it in a vice with padding to prevent marring. I then bent the portion that interacts with the magazine rearward so that it would no interfere with the shells; very slightly I should add (the lever is pretty hard). It seemed that it worked in that I don't get hangups anymore. There might be a better way, but I couldn't think of one. By the way, I was getting hangups on factory mags, I don't know about aftermarket magazines Good luck! 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
spicoli 12 Posted July 22, 2014 Report Share Posted July 22, 2014 There was a non-magwell version that had a LRBHO. It required special rock and lock mags. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
SLR 10 Posted July 22, 2014 Report Share Posted July 22, 2014 (edited) There was a non-magwell version that had a LRBHO. It required special rock and lock mags. Ahhh! thanks for the info! Would the LRBHO mechanism be the same? Or did they design something different for 030 style shotguns? Edited July 22, 2014 by SLR Quote Link to post Share on other sites
csspecs 1,987 Posted July 22, 2014 Report Share Posted July 22, 2014 to the OP Are you asking about my Steel mags for the Saiga-12? Because we clearly state that they do not function with the LRBHO saiga shotguns. Or are you using poly magazines? 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
HighPlainsDrifter 466 Posted July 23, 2014 Report Share Posted July 23, 2014 Sounds like you don't know whatcha have. Like csspecs mentioned knowing what mags you are using is a start. Also the exact model s12. If you aren't sure then post pics of each. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
xracer09 4 Posted July 23, 2014 Author Report Share Posted July 23, 2014 (edited) to the OP Are you asking about my Steel mags for the Saiga-12? Because we clearly state that they do not function with the LRBHO saiga shotguns. Or are you using poly magazines? First off, thanks everybody for the info. The S12 in question does NOT have a magwell. cssspecs, I just realized the confusion I created. My apologies several times over. I don't want to chop up your fine mags to seat a lever that is troublesome. Quite frankly, I want to dump all the poly mags and drums and pick up a fistful of the quality cssspec mags. I cant imagine going forward, that poly mags will have the lifespan that your will. Of all the mods done to my shotgun, I consider your mags the best upgrade I could have ever done to the S12. I figured you may have seen this problem in the past. Again, I'm sorry for the brain fart of a title. High plains, thanks, I tried taking pictures, but my camera sucks. Yea, I didn't read about the LRBHO not working with the steel mags. I got to excited seeing that someone was making them and like a frog, I jumped. No regrets at all though, I have to say. Heck, as soon as this gets sorted out, I'm buying more. Is there a need to shim the space left when the lever is removed? I don't want to have a sloppy FCG causing a reliability issue. Edited July 23, 2014 by xracer09 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
csspecs 1,987 Posted July 23, 2014 Report Share Posted July 23, 2014 If you opt to remove the LRBHO you should shim the FCG.. I have taken the one out of a Fury-1 and its pretty much the same, its not terribly hard One other thing.. We are working on LRBHO magazines for the saiga-12. It will be our Vepr-12 mag with a front catch from a saiga. It should function without changing anything. If you want to try one I'll make an extra test model. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
xracer09 4 Posted July 23, 2014 Author Report Share Posted July 23, 2014 If you opt to remove the LRBHO you should shim the FCG.. I have taken the one out of a Fury-1 and its pretty much the same, its not terribly hard One other thing.. We are working on LRBHO magazines for the saiga-12. It will be our Vepr-12 mag with a front catch from a saiga. It should function without changing anything. If you want to try one I'll make an extra test model. I would love to take you up on that offer. PM me any details to work out. We are within driving distance of each other if you need to see the shotgun in question. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
jkr 0 Posted July 30, 2014 Report Share Posted July 30, 2014 how do i determine what version " bho" i have? Quote Link to post Share on other sites
csspecs 1,987 Posted July 30, 2014 Report Share Posted July 30, 2014 BHO means Bolt hold open (I assume) LRBHO locks the bolt back when the magazine is empty. Standard BHO is activated by pulling the bolt back and pushing in on a button to lock the bolt open. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
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