Say it aint so…...

[SHOTGUN MESIAH 855]

Guess he can lift the ban now …….but my M92 is still $3000 if anyones intrested.

 

http://news.yahoo.com/us-no-evidence-direct-russian-plane-210210006--politics.html

Edited July 22, 2014 by SHOTGUN MESSIAH

[csspecs 1,987]

I find it interesting that the Rebels handed over the black boxes.. If they shot the plane down, would those black boxes be pretty strong evidence? Could it be that they will reveal something else? 

Should be an interesting couple weeks.

 

It is of course possible that Russia is going to turn on the Rebels shortly in an effort to reverse some of the sanctions.. I would like to think that Putin has enough bargaining chips to get that to happen. Maybe we will see our Saigas again.. (However lets not get our hopes up).

[XD45 7,124]

Is there anybody saying it wasn't a missile?  All the black boxes will tell (assuming they weren't erased) is that the plane was flying along normal and then it was hit by a missile.  Unless there is some kind of magic sensor in the black box that records the dna of the person who launched the missile there is nothing to be learned from the boxes.

 

As far as "no direct evidence linking Russia to the shoot down", that's the same as if I gave a 5 year old a loaded gun and he shot his sister.  There wouldn't be any evidence linking me to the shooting, right?

[frz1197 128]

The cvr may shed some light on why they took that route. The previous 10 flights all went south of the conflict area.

 

Dumb fuck malaysions dont seem to learn though. I saw last weekend the flight was going over syria and iraq.

[XD45 7,124]

There's about half the northern hemisphere that you shouldn't fly over these days.

[liberty -r- death 1,445]

Actually all you will hear is the Pilot and Co Pilot talking may be. Then nothing. They had no idea what hit them or what was happening. They were just flying along and BOOOMMMMM! static. . . . . . . . .

[XD45 7,124]

One of them MAY have caught sight of the missile a second or two before impact if it was coming from the front (which apparently it was) but no time for anything but "HOLY FUCK!"

[csspecs 1,987]

What data is recorded? certainly more than just cockpit audio, otherwise I could tell you what half the crash data is "Oh shit" repeated many times and then static.

I was under the impression that planes had some sort of radar feed, I suppose that could just be my imagination and all they have is basic audio.. Which would be useless.

 

 

What is odd is that they say the missile system is fairly complex to fire, yet one of the more basic features reads transponders. Why would you not check a very basic function, especially if you have been in the area for a few weeks manning this system watching airliner after airliner go over? Seems like if you only have a handful of rockets you would spend the minute it takes to check your target.

 

Just seems too well timed to rile up public support in favor of the West, especially since most people stopped caring months ago.

 

And why insist on handing over the flight data recorder, acting as if it was a cover up to keep them, if they contain nothing useful?

 

I'm interested to see how this all pans out in the long term.. If we ever hear a straight answer I'd be shocked.

[Rhodes1968 1,638]

Given the shrapnel hit the cockpit I doubt they saw anything but a bright light they drifted into.

 

Data recorders are useless and that is why they didnt vanish is my guess.

[XD45 7,124]

Commercial transponders are not the same a military IFF.  I can't say if this system has the ability to read commercial transponders but even if it does that isn't a reliable way to tell what the aircraft is since it's easy to program a transponder to anything you want.

 

As far as what data is recorded, practically every sensor on the plane is recorded.  Airliners do have collision avoidance radar but that either wouldn't pick up the missile or it would pick it up a second or two before impact.

[Dogster 577]

My understanding is that the importance of the "black boxes" was to disprove any of the other possibilities  that could make a plane explode in mid air, decompression, fuel cell, on board bomber, etc. What would be left is missile attack. To get to that assumption, they have to eliminate all other possibilities, whats left is the fact.

[Maxwelhse 1,285]

What data is recorded? certainly more than just cockpit audio, otherwise I could tell you what half the crash data is "Oh shit" repeated many times and then static.

I was under the impression that planes had some sort of radar feed, I suppose that could just be my imagination and all they have is basic audio.. Which would be useless.

 

The combined speed of the aircraft and the missile closing in at each in under 19 miles (the range of the weapon used... closing speed could have been up to Mach 3) would have only been a blip for a few seconds. There may be data on the aircraft of an approaching object but I doubt much of it would be of that much use.

 

I agree with your point that this was probably not an "accident".

[Rhodes1968 1,638]

The pictures of the debris shows clear shrapnel patterns right where the pilot sits, seems to indicate it went off slightly below and to the side of the cockpit.

No doubt what brought it down now. 

I doubt avoidance radar would pick it up, not made for that purpose.

 

https://fbcdn-sphotos-h-a.akamaihd.net/hphotos-ak-xap1/t31.0-8/10495392_761458157249545_4856212122752332449_o.jpg

Edited July 23, 2014 by Rhodes1968

[XD45 7,124]

It's not designed for that but those missiles are pretty big and it may have. But the range is too short to do them any good at that closing speed.

 

But that matters about as much as what color the missile was.

[james lambert 3,059]

175 lb warhead in those....thats huge for AA

 

and they fly above mach3

[Maxwelhse 1,285]

175 lb warhead in those....thats huge for AA

 

and they fly above mach3

 

I was going off of wiki... Still, 19 miles max at even 3 is 19 seconds of flight time. If they go faster (than wiki), it was head on like Darth said it, and it was closer than 19 miles, it could have only been 8 or 9 seconds total flight time. Pretty amazing stuff when you look at it that way.