forsaken352 235 Posted July 23, 2014 Report Share Posted July 23, 2014 (edited) So, I've got a RAM trigger guard I pulled off of my Saiga 12 that I planned to use on my .308, and planned to use the factory guard on the 12 again until I bought another RAM (I like them). I know on the .308 I've got to drill new holes, but when I lined everything up just to test fit, it seems the rivet hole closest to the magazine release will be right next to where I need to drill a new hole for the front of the guard. So close, in fact, that I wonder if the two wouldn't meet and form an "8" looking hole. As for the rear, I'm looking at Dinzag's receiver template online, measuring things with my digital calipers, and again, the holes on the template don't match what I'd need to install this guard. The rear trigger guard hole would be about .400" from the rear of the trigger hole, rather than .300" like on the template. I am so confused right now. On top of all that, online it says a new front hole needs to be drilled for the RAM guard. Says nothing about a rear hole. Help! Looks just like this. Edit: Re-checking the template to my receiver, everything measures differently. I think the template is specific to other Saiga's. Edited July 23, 2014 by forsaken352 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
forsaken352 235 Posted July 23, 2014 Author Report Share Posted July 23, 2014 (edited) These are my measurements of the .308. The red is the fixed measurements. Any left alone were roughly the same within a few thousandths. measured from the rear of the receiver. Note, also, the rear trigger guard hole is not yet drilled as stated below. Edited July 23, 2014 by forsaken352 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Bunker83 22 Posted July 24, 2014 Report Share Posted July 24, 2014 I believe the saiga 12 and saiga 308 have different set ups for the trigger guard, look up the specs for the 12... Might be over thinking it, I slapped an AMD65 trigger guard on my 308 and called it a day Quote Link to post Share on other sites
forsaken352 235 Posted July 24, 2014 Author Report Share Posted July 24, 2014 Appreciate it! I'll look into it. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
forsaken352 235 Posted July 24, 2014 Author Report Share Posted July 24, 2014 By the looks of it, the AMD-65 trigger guard and mag release are a single unit. I don't have the means to be riveting things. I wish I did. Strictly bolt on for me, which is why I'm having such issues here. I don't mind using this trigger guard for the entire lifetime of the rifle, and as a result, I don't mind if the rear trigger guard hole is off where they typically are found, but the front hole is what bothers me. Drilling so close to the front rivet hole will almost guarantee them meeting each-other and creating one oblong "8" looking hole. This I do not want. I'm just trying to figure out how others get away with bolting on trigger guards on the .308, and hopefully not using the factory trigger guard and just resting the front inside the mag release. Fine for others, but to me, that just says half-ass. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Sdustin 578 Posted July 24, 2014 Report Share Posted July 24, 2014 i just tig welded on the reused factory unit. i dont figure ill ever need to remove it Quote Link to post Share on other sites
forsaken352 235 Posted July 24, 2014 Author Report Share Posted July 24, 2014 (edited) Been considering that as well. Thanks! Edited July 24, 2014 by forsaken352 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
gunman1 1,753 Posted July 24, 2014 Report Share Posted July 24, 2014 I just bought a new one from Dinzag when I ordered the FCG, and called it great Quote Link to post Share on other sites
forsaken352 235 Posted July 24, 2014 Author Report Share Posted July 24, 2014 (edited) I just bought a new one from Dinzag when I ordered the FCG, and called it great I've basically got the same thing, only I assume your guard came with a built in PG nut (looking at Dinzag's listed items for the .308). Mine is the same without a PG nut. The thing I'm having trouble with is how to drill the front trigger guard hole without interfering with the front rivet hole leftover from the sporter plate and creating an oblong hole. Tomorrow I'm gonna get a better look at it and consider my options. Edited July 24, 2014 by forsaken352 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Boyd Crowder 16 Posted July 24, 2014 Report Share Posted July 24, 2014 If you do end up with a hole shaped like an 8 just use a slightly wider washer on the inside of the receiver. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
forsaken352 235 Posted July 24, 2014 Author Report Share Posted July 24, 2014 Appreciate all the help guys. In the end, that trigger guard MUST be 12 gauge specific or something. It just would not fit. Especially not with the Hogue grip. I'm either going to TIG the customized factory one I made or just buy a better looking one when I get the money. Probably option B so it's removable if I ever want to swap it out. 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Sdustin 578 Posted July 25, 2014 Report Share Posted July 25, 2014 I asked myself if id ever need to remove it. I don't see any reason to ever remove it. I didn't weld to the mag release to make it easier to remove should that unlikely need come up. But if I did bolt on id tack weld the nuts though. The best thing would be rivet in a real one. My advice pick the shape trigger guard you want and go with it. Make sure its very secure. Nuts and screws cant be as secure as rivets. 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
forsaken352 235 Posted July 25, 2014 Author Report Share Posted July 25, 2014 Very true, but I think I'll actually just go with nuts and screws and some blue loctite. It's worked well for the 12 thus far. Had to really persuade the screws to loosen, and they've been on there for months and hundreds of rounds. I like the ease of being able to completely strip a firearm bare minus permanent attachments (rivets and such). Quote Link to post Share on other sites
forsaken352 235 Posted July 25, 2014 Author Report Share Posted July 25, 2014 (edited) Decided I'll get the Dinzag trigger guard with the PG mount attached, and remove the PG mount. Looks like it'll work according to this thread: http://forum.saiga-12.com/index.php?/topic/88557-pistol-grip-conversion-question/ Edited July 25, 2014 by forsaken352 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
LuPiN8oR 333 Posted July 25, 2014 Report Share Posted July 25, 2014 No need to remove the pg mount, i was able to put a pg nut in the receiver and it perfectly matched the trigger guard mount. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
forsaken352 235 Posted July 25, 2014 Author Report Share Posted July 25, 2014 (edited) No need to remove the pg mount, i was able to put a pg nut in the receiver and it perfectly matched the trigger guard mount. Then I shall do that! One more question, though. Did Dinzag update their trigger guard? Look at the front hole location on this one (won't let me copy picture. Here's link) compared to the hole on the picture below. Supposedly both Dinzag .308 trigger guards. Different hole locations by the looks of it. Looks like this one lines up with the rivet hole. http://forum.saiga-12.com/index.php?/topic/88557-pistol-grip-conversion-question/ Edited July 25, 2014 by forsaken352 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
LuPiN8oR 333 Posted July 25, 2014 Report Share Posted July 25, 2014 They look the same to me. Want me to upload a pic of mine mid conversion? Quote Link to post Share on other sites
forsaken352 235 Posted July 25, 2014 Author Report Share Posted July 25, 2014 (edited) They look the same to me. Want me to upload a pic of mine mid conversion? That'd be awesome! Hope it can help in the drilling location. Thanks! Edited July 26, 2014 by forsaken352 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
LuPiN8oR 333 Posted July 26, 2014 Report Share Posted July 26, 2014 These are the best two pics i have without the stock in place. Hope it helps man. Ah, I'll load one more for fun. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
forsaken352 235 Posted July 26, 2014 Author Report Share Posted July 26, 2014 (edited) Thanks a ton! Last 2 (or so) questions. 1) Did you end up drilling a new front hole? Looks like it lines up with the rivet hole. (If you did drill another hole, did it contact the rivet hole?) 2) That is the Dinzag .308 guard, correct? These are the last questions I have before I know for certain what to do. Sorry to keep pestering you. Thanks again! You've been very helpful. Edit: Sweet rifle. Edited July 26, 2014 by forsaken352 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
LuPiN8oR 333 Posted July 26, 2014 Report Share Posted July 26, 2014 1: did not drill new front hole. 2: yes this is dinzags 308 trigger guard (angled). The one hole that had to be drilled was behind the trigger if my memory serves me right. What year is your s-308? Quote Link to post Share on other sites
forsaken352 235 Posted July 26, 2014 Author Report Share Posted July 26, 2014 (edited) Test fired in 2010. Best I got for ya. I'd assume it's assembled/tested same year, though. Thanks for the answers, too. Edited July 26, 2014 by forsaken352 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
LuPiN8oR 333 Posted July 26, 2014 Report Share Posted July 26, 2014 On the front left side of your receiver youll see a year date, like a 10 or an 09, etc. I wouldn't think there would be a receiver design change tho. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
forsaken352 235 Posted July 26, 2014 Author Report Share Posted July 26, 2014 Yeah, that means the year it was test fired. Mine's 2010. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
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