storm6490 2,768 Posted July 25, 2014 Report Share Posted July 25, 2014 Hi there. I had a Spectre as a kid. My old man sold it when we consolidated for a very nice shotgun. It was just the pistol model imported from italy. I know some police departments had them with the front vertical grip and the folding stock that fit neatly over the receiver. The one I am interested in is also in Montana and has the hinge on the rear sight to fit the stock. The pistol grip is removed in the auction photos but the seller says they will include it. Or something. If this was ever a SBR, could it ever be sold as a pistol? Its on GB number 431075020. I'm interested but not if it's going to be a problem. I appreciate your opinions and suggestions. I have asked that they mention that it will be sold as a pistol without the vertical grip. He didn't answer that but said he would be at the Kalispell gun show. Never go to that show. Too many jack asses asking me how to make an AK an auto. I'll have another one day. They sure are good pistols. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
forsaken352 235 Posted July 25, 2014 Report Share Posted July 25, 2014 If it's registered as an SBR, then it is no longer a pistol. If it's still a pistol, and people are adding and removing a stock, they are making an illegal SBR. If they are adding a vertical grip to the pistol, they are making an illegal AOW. If it's registered as an SBR, then the adding and removal of the vertical grip is no issue, but I think it's now supposed to be fired from the shoulder only (not like a pistol, with no stock, because it is now an SBR). All from what I understand. (USA laws) Quote Link to post Share on other sites
poolingmyignorance 2,191 Posted July 26, 2014 Report Share Posted July 26, 2014 If it's registered as an SBR, then it is no longer a pistol. If it's still a pistol, and people are adding and removing a stock, they are making an illegal SBR. If they are adding a vertical grip to the pistol, they are making an illegal AOW. If it's registered as an SBR, then the adding and removal of the vertical grip is no issue, but I think it's now supposed to be fired from the shoulder only (not like a pistol, with no stock, because it is now an SBR). All from what I understand. (USA laws) Your pretty much right, except the ATF has no care whether you should a rifle, or shoot it like a pistol. Or should a pistol and shoot it like a rifle, any more than pulling the trigger quickly would make it a machine gun. How you use it has NOTHING to do with it's classification. It's INTENDED DESIGN is how weapons are classified and PHYSICAL characteristics. See example of the SIG TAC BRACE. 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Sdustin 578 Posted July 26, 2014 Report Share Posted July 26, 2014 I had to look that weapon up. Look freaking sweet. A NFA weapon can be removed from its title 2 status and then sold like a regular pistol. Id buy it. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Matthew Hopkins 1,065 Posted July 26, 2014 Report Share Posted July 26, 2014 (edited) If this was ever a SBR, could it ever be sold as a pistol? Its on GB number 431075020. that's a good question, a letter to the TECH BRANCH would be the way to go for the definite answer, or maybe there is a ATF letter about that on the net somewhere. but me personally, here is how I see it, which is not legal advice. the way the law is for standard rifles (non-SBR'd). you can't take a receiver (which is the firearm) that was built as a rifle and make a pistol from that, that would be consider a SBR. now having said that, the way I see it - if you take a pistol and you make a SBR, even if you take that SBR off the registry, it was built as a rifle, so I don't believe you can go back to a pistol, you might have to make it a 16inch barreled rifle. I'm going by the the key word RIFLE, non-NFA or NFA it's a rifle. like I said that is my seeing it, which could be all wrong. but knowing how screwed up gun laws are, it wouldn't surprise me if that is correct. Edited July 26, 2014 by Matthew Hopkins Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Sdustin 578 Posted July 26, 2014 Report Share Posted July 26, 2014 If this was ever a SBR, could it ever be sold as a pistol? Its on GB number 431075020. now having said that, the way I see it - if you take a pistol and you make a SBR, even if you take that SBR off the registry, it was built as a rifle, so I don't believe you can go back to a pistol, you might have to make it a 16inch barreled rifle. I'm going by the the key word RIFLE, non-NFA or NFA it's a rifle. This I'd a good question. If you take a weapon out of the registry does it revert back to what was on the orginal 4473 or when you remove it can you specify? I think if I wanted to I'd buy. The ffls doing the transfer are in legal trouble of they sell you a weapon registered to someone else as a NFA weapon. To answer the op question. Yes. If said weapon was removed from being NFA, which you can do by filling the paper work. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
storm6490 2,768 Posted July 28, 2014 Author Report Share Posted July 28, 2014 (edited) Thanks guys! Apparently the dude doesn't want to sell it. All he wrote back is see you at the show. Don't really like the guys who would sell outside an auction without mentioning it. Thanks for all the help. If it quacks like a duck and has the hardware to click on a buttstock and forward grip, it's probably a duck. I hate ducks. They shit in the pool. Edited July 28, 2014 by Stryker0946 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
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