Capt Nemo 882 Posted August 21, 2014 Report Share Posted August 21, 2014 Just noticed that the price on a box of XM193F just dropped from $9.99 to $6.99 at Fleet Farm. 2 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
XD45 7,124 Posted August 21, 2014 Report Share Posted August 21, 2014 Some great sale prices at SGAmmo too. The Wolf Gold 223 (which is loaded to 5.56mm level) is $309.50/1000. The steel case is less than $0.25 a round. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
storm6490 2,768 Posted August 21, 2014 Report Share Posted August 21, 2014 I hope it goes back to a logical price for the sake of the future marksmen of American. The 5.56 nato, only good for target training. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
SaigaSlinger 61 Posted August 21, 2014 Report Share Posted August 21, 2014 Check out brassfetcher on youtube. It aint just for target training. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
storm6490 2,768 Posted August 21, 2014 Report Share Posted August 21, 2014 (edited) Check out brassfetcher on youtube. It aint just for target training. well, the shit that I was issued and used was terrible. you hit your target center mass and it kept coming at you. you ever shoot anything that was coming after you? they guys down in texas made some very expensive blended metal bullets years ago. it worked so well that the PMC guys over in the shit hole stopped using it after the first encounter. they figured some liberal asshole would sue them for using it. Edited August 21, 2014 by Stryker0946 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
pyzik 597 Posted August 21, 2014 Report Share Posted August 21, 2014 Wow! Not around here! Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Capt Nemo 882 Posted August 21, 2014 Author Report Share Posted August 21, 2014 M193 is much better than the M855 for messing things up. Especially when you have the proper slow twist barrels. My SP1 and 182 series Mini like it a lot! Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Arik 565 Posted August 21, 2014 Report Share Posted August 21, 2014 Check out brassfetcher on youtube. It aint just for target training. well, the shit that I was issued and used was terrible. you hit your target center mass and it kept coming at you. you ever shoot anything that was coming after you? they guys down in texas made some very expensive blended metal bullets years ago. it worked so well that the PMC guys over in the shit hole stopped using it after the first encounter. they figured some liberal asshole would sue them for using it. Thre were plenty of people who were shot with 30 cal and continued to fight. One cop was shot in the face with a 45 and then fought and killed the bad guy. guess 45 and 7.62 are good for target practice only Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Maxwelhse 1,285 Posted August 21, 2014 Report Share Posted August 21, 2014 Thre were plenty of people who were shot with 30 cal and continued to fight. One cop was shot in the face with a 45 and then fought and killed the bad guy. guess 45 and 7.62 are good for target practice only I agree... Time to stop fucking around. 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
storm6490 2,768 Posted August 21, 2014 Report Share Posted August 21, 2014 (edited) Check out brassfetcher on youtube. It aint just for target training. well, the shit that I was issued and used was terrible. you hit your target center mass and it kept coming at you. you ever shoot anything that was coming after you? they guys down in texas made some very expensive blended metal bullets years ago. it worked so well that the PMC guys over in the shit hole stopped using it after the first encounter. they figured some liberal asshole would sue them for using it. Thre were plenty of people who were shot with 30 cal and continued to fight. One cop was shot in the face with a 45 and then fought and killed the bad guy. guess 45 and 7.62 are good for target practice only I guess I don't count since I'm on this forum. Go talk to any other combat infantryman who has had to shoot at targets that will fire back. The 5.56 got more people killed than any other fucking round on the planet. It's the perfect round for wounding a target. Don't ask a truck driver, ask an army or marine infantry what their thoughts on the worthless whore of a round, 5.56 nato is. The problems with this round started in nam with the wrong powder and continue to this day with walking wounded. The 5.56 is a great target round and also works well for coyote. Erik, have you ever been in a fire fight with a 5.56. Have you ever had to shoot someone multiple times to get them to stop firing at your friends? If you are supporting the 5.56 round for military use, I suspect not. Edited August 21, 2014 by Stryker0946 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
XD45 7,124 Posted August 22, 2014 Report Share Posted August 22, 2014 There are effective loads for the 5.56mm. The M855 is not one of those loads. The bullet fails to upset unless it hits bone. 0.22" hole doesn't do much. Especially if the barrel is less than 20". I wouldn't buy M855 even for practice. SP bullets or very heavy bullets are preferred if fleshy targets are anticipated. But I do like shooting the 5.56mm at targets that aren't shooting back so 55gr fmj does nicely. 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
SaigaSlinger 61 Posted August 22, 2014 Report Share Posted August 22, 2014 I like shooting ARs at paper, if you had to defend yourself with one, you could do worse. My shtf gun would be my arsenal 5.45x39 though. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Capt Nemo 882 Posted August 22, 2014 Author Report Share Posted August 22, 2014 http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/5.56%C3%9745mm_NATO Quote Link to post Share on other sites
liberty -r- death 1,445 Posted August 22, 2014 Report Share Posted August 22, 2014 One problem faced with fighting some middle eastern jihadist fighters is the drugs kept em coming no matter how times you hit em. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Arik 565 Posted August 22, 2014 Report Share Posted August 22, 2014 Check out brassfetcher on youtube. It aint just for target training. well, the shit that I was issued and used was terrible. you hit your target center mass and it kept coming at you. you ever shoot anything that was coming after you? they guys down in texas made some very expensive blended metal bullets years ago. it worked so well that the PMC guys over in the shit hole stopped using it after the first encounter. they figured some liberal asshole would sue them for using it. Thre were plenty of people who were shot with 30 cal and continued to fight. One cop was shot in the face with a 45 and then fought and killed the bad guy. guess 45 and 7.62 are good for target practice only I guess I don't count since I'm on this forum. Go talk to any other combat infantryman who has had to shoot at targets that will fire back. The 5.56 got more people killed than any other fucking round on the planet. It's the perfect round for wounding a target. Don't ask a truck driver, ask an army or marine infantry what their thoughts on the worthless whore of a round, 5.56 nato is. The problems with this round started in nam with the wrong powder and continue to this day with walking wounded. The 5.56 is a great target round and also works well for coyote. Erik, have you ever been in a fire fight with a 5.56. Have you ever had to shoot someone multiple times to get them to stop firing at your friends? If you are supporting the 5.56 round for military use, I suspect not. No, I have not. All I can do is read from people like you. You say "problem!".....I can go on another board with other veterans who say "what problem?" Then thee are the proponents of the 30 cal. But if you look it up, there have been plenty of people who lived after getting shot with a 30 cal. Most of my friends are from the Balkans. Quiet a lot of stories of peole not dying from multiple hit of 7.62x39. Even some stories of peole not stopping after being turned into Swiss cheese. There was even a story of one Indian guy who took severall 7.62 nato rounds from machine gun fire while climbing a side of a cliff. He finished climbing, killed everyone in the first machine gun nest then ran to the next one under heavy fire and killed them all.....with nothing more then a knife and a granade. Im paraphrasing here, I read the story a few years ago. So, to me the bottom line is .....where there are lots of people and lots of bullets flying anything is possible and nothing is guarantied Quote Link to post Share on other sites
storm6490 2,768 Posted August 22, 2014 Report Share Posted August 22, 2014 Check out brassfetcher on youtube. It aint just for target training. well, the shit that I was issued and used was terrible. you hit your target center mass and it kept coming at you. you ever shoot anything that was coming after you? they guys down in texas made some very expensive blended metal bullets years ago. it worked so well that the PMC guys over in the shit hole stopped using it after the first encounter. they figured some liberal asshole would sue them for using it. Thre were plenty of people who were shot with 30 cal and continued to fight. One cop was shot in the face with a 45 and then fought and killed the bad guy. guess 45 and 7.62 are good for target practice only I guess I don't count since I'm on this forum. Go talk to any other combat infantryman who has had to shoot at targets that will fire back. The 5.56 got more people killed than any other fucking round on the planet. It's the perfect round for wounding a target. Don't ask a truck driver, ask an army or marine infantry what their thoughts on the worthless whore of a round, 5.56 nato is. The problems with this round started in nam with the wrong powder and continue to this day with walking wounded. The 5.56 is a great target round and also works well for coyote. Erik, have you ever been in a fire fight with a 5.56. Have you ever had to shoot someone multiple times to get them to stop firing at your friends? If you are supporting the 5.56 round for military use, I suspect not. No, I have not. All I can do is read from people like you. You say "problem!".....I can go on another board with other veterans who say "what problem?" Then thee are the proponents of the 30 cal. But if you look it up, there have been plenty of people who lived after getting shot with a 30 cal. Most of my friends are from the Balkans. Quiet a lot of stories of peole not dying from multiple hit of 7.62x39. Even some stories of peole not stopping after being turned into Swiss cheese. There was even a story of one Indian guy who took severall 7.62 nato rounds from machine gun fire while climbing a side of a cliff. He finished climbing, killed everyone in the first machine gun nest then ran to the next one under heavy fire and killed them all.....with nothing more then a knife and a granade. Im paraphrasing here, I read the story a few years ago. So, to me the bottom line is .....where there are lots of people and lots of bullets flying anything is possible and nothing is guarantied Don't take my word for it. Look for a man with a blue para cord draped over their shoulder and a few tabs on their arm. Thank them for their service and ask them what they think of 5.56 nato. Don't ask your support role buddies. As the men that kicked in doors all day long and had no other skill when they got out of the service. Support roles are a critical part of the service but they know jack and shit about combat arms. The 5.56 nato would be a good weapon for a support role position like a truck driver or an office administrator. I don't know of any infantrymen who would pick 5.56 over 7.62. We already have everything but the kitchen sink in our ruck sack. A few extra pounds wont kill us. And, if you think about it. We would shoot less and save ammo. You keep mentioning .30 caliber. That includes about a hundred different kind of rounds. I'm talking about 7.62x51mm and 5.56x45mm. Even our old WW2 round of (.30cal Carbine) was a little ass kicker, coming in at 7.62x33mm. As time goes on, the cost of war goes up and the fucking bean counters want to save a buck on infantry supplies. Look at the pussification of the ammunition over the years in war. Infantry should be using ammunition that blows you in half the first shot. If it keeps going down this road, we will be using pepper spray, playing touch football and having slap fights with your female infantrywoman who refuses to take off her red head piece. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
XD45 7,124 Posted August 22, 2014 Report Share Posted August 22, 2014 Nerf guns. It's kind and gentle and the ammo is reusable. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
SaigaSlinger 61 Posted August 22, 2014 Report Share Posted August 22, 2014 (edited) Edited August 22, 2014 by SaigaSlinger Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Arik 565 Posted August 23, 2014 Report Share Posted August 23, 2014 ok, by 30 cal i meant modern stuff thats been popular since after ww2. Basically x39, 7.62NATO, So you want to go back to 45-70? Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Hornsj2 27 Posted August 23, 2014 Report Share Posted August 23, 2014 Check out brassfetcher on youtube. It aint just for target training. well, the shit that I was issued and used was terrible. you hit your target center mass and it kept coming at you. you ever shoot anything that was coming after you? they guys down in texas made some very expensive blended metal bullets years ago. it worked so well that the PMC guys over in the shit hole stopped using it after the first encounter. they figured some liberal asshole would sue them for using it. Thre were plenty of people who were shot with 30 cal and continued to fight. One cop was shot in the face with a 45 and then fought and killed the bad guy. guess 45 and 7.62 are good for target practice only I guess I don't count since I'm on this forum. Go talk to any other combat infantryman who has had to shoot at targets that will fire back. The 5.56 got more people killed than any other fucking round on the planet. It's the perfect round for wounding a target. Don't ask a truck driver, ask an army or marine infantry what their thoughts on the worthless whore of a round, 5.56 nato is. The problems with this round started in nam with the wrong powder and continue to this day with walking wounded. The 5.56 is a great target round and also works well for coyote. Erik, have you ever been in a fire fight with a 5.56. Have you ever had to shoot someone multiple times to get them to stop firing at your friends? If you are supporting the 5.56 round for military use, I suspect not. No, I have not. All I can do is read from people like you. You say "problem!".....I can go on another board with other veterans who say "what problem?" Then thee are the proponents of the 30 cal. But if you look it up, there have been plenty of people who lived after getting shot with a 30 cal. Most of my friends are from the Balkans. Quiet a lot of stories of peole not dying from multiple hit of 7.62x39. Even some stories of peole not stopping after being turned into Swiss cheese. There was even a story of one Indian guy who took severall 7.62 nato rounds from machine gun fire while climbing a side of a cliff. He finished climbing, killed everyone in the first machine gun nest then ran to the next one under heavy fire and killed them all.....with nothing more then a knife and a granade. Im paraphrasing here, I read the story a few years ago. So, to me the bottom line is .....where there are lots of people and lots of bullets flying anything is possible and nothing is guarantied Don't take my word for it. Look for a man with a blue para cord draped over their shoulder and a few tabs on their arm. Thank them for their service and ask them what they think of 5.56 nato. Don't ask your support role buddies. As the men that kicked in doors all day long and had no other skill when they got out of the service. Support roles are a critical part of the service but they know jack and shit about combat arms. The 5.56 nato would be a good weapon for a support role position like a truck driver or an office administrator. I don't know of any infantrymen who would pick 5.56 over 7.62. We already have everything but the kitchen sink in our ruck sack. A few extra pounds wont kill us. And, if you think about it. We would shoot less and save ammo. You keep mentioning .30 caliber. That includes about a hundred different kind of rounds. I'm talking about 7.62x51mm and 5.56x45mm. Even our old WW2 round of (.30cal Carbine) was a little ass kicker, coming in at 7.62x33mm. As time goes on, the cost of war goes up and the fucking bean counters want to save a buck on infantry supplies. Look at the pussification of the ammunition over the years in war. Infantry should be using ammunition that blows you in half the first shot. If it keeps going down this road, we will be using pepper spray, playing touch football and having slap fights with your female infantrywoman who refuses to take off her red head piece. Well I did ask my friend's father, who was running around VIetnam, and he said 5.56 worked just fine for him. Of course I'm guessing he was shooting 100 pound Vietnamese men. Oh, and he wasn't straight infantry either, he was some kind of special ops although I admit I have never asked him. I have had like 2 conversations with him about Vietnam because he doesn't like to talk about it. I only mention that because these were not infantry battles he was fighting. He was pretty up close and personal. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
XD45 7,124 Posted August 23, 2014 Report Share Posted August 23, 2014 The M193 from a full length M16 is pretty effective. The combination of the M855 (which is just adequate from a 20" barrel) with the 14.5" M4 is the biggest reason for the poor performance of the 5.56mm in the last 25 years. And this new M855A1 is a farce. If you're not up on it do a google search. Absolute joke. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Big John! 2,062 Posted August 23, 2014 Report Share Posted August 23, 2014 You guys are all racists. I keel you mufucka's with sling shot a month old marshmallow's. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Maxwelhse 1,285 Posted August 24, 2014 Report Share Posted August 24, 2014 Well I did ask my friend's father, who was running around VIetnam, and he said 5.56 worked just fine for him. Of course I'm guessing he was shooting 100 pound Vietnamese men. You might want to realign your perception of the enemy in Vietnam... My Dad told me a story of a VC running toward a structure of some sort (can't remember anymore) and they had to open up on him... He was hit multiple times and was able to make it into a 55 gallon steel trash drum (a tragic tactical error on his part) and returned fire for a minute or so until enough solider opened up on the drum the only thing left was slurry. Popular opinion was that he was on drugs of some sort... So... That's the one story, that I have second hand, of a VC taking a bunch of 5.56 rounds and still staying in the fight for a bit. Maybe x39 or x51 would have been the same story? We'll never know... Quote Link to post Share on other sites
VR762Shooter 838 Posted August 25, 2014 Report Share Posted August 25, 2014 I think if I had to choose I'd got 7.62. It may only be an extra .08 inches but that extra may be the deciding factor between living and not while on a battlefield Quote Link to post Share on other sites
DavidQ 170 Posted August 25, 2014 Report Share Posted August 25, 2014 Well not to dawdle from the current discussion, I just bought online 1000 rounds of federal xm193bk for $299 and with shipping it was $325.99. That's .32 a round. Only .02 more than steel case tula or wolf. If you guys are looking for some I can tell you where to get this "daily deal". Quote Link to post Share on other sites
XD45 7,124 Posted August 25, 2014 Report Share Posted August 25, 2014 Of course you should tell us. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
DavidQ 170 Posted August 25, 2014 Report Share Posted August 25, 2014 Well the clue was "daily deal". Palmetto state always has awesome deals and this is one of them. Normally $499 for 1000 rounds. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
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