Sirex 34 Posted September 5, 2014 Report Share Posted September 5, 2014 I have a Saiga 7.62x39 with 16" barrel. The recoil isn't bad for me, a little snappy, but not bad. I am trying to get my wife and daughter into shooting, and figured the Saiga would be a little more reasonable than my Mosins or Vepr in .308. Looking to find out what is the most effective STYLE brake. I see slotted AR styles, AK74/Krink styles, Tapco top slotted styles, and others with holes all over. Looking for the least amount of recoil possible. Thanks for any suggestions. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
scattergun10 125 Posted September 5, 2014 Report Share Posted September 5, 2014 I'd say a genuine 74 brake, with the off-set gas ports and preferably an expansion chamber. There's also a "74 type" brake that looks identical, but has in-line gas ports, and is supposedly not as good. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
dieb4iwake 60 Posted September 5, 2014 Report Share Posted September 5, 2014 **OFF TOPIC** OP your profile pic looks an awful lot like the first car i ever owned an '87 Honda CRX Si!!! I loved that car 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
lbsrdi 1,078 Posted September 6, 2014 Report Share Posted September 6, 2014 **OFF TOPIC** OP your profile pic looks an awful lot like the first car i ever owned an '87 Honda CRX Si!!! I loved that car I always loved those cars, never owned one. How cool was that little window in the back, I always wanted one. 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Inebriated 31 Posted September 6, 2014 Report Share Posted September 6, 2014 Look at the Venom Antidote, BattleComp, or PWS FSC-47. Those three are widely accepted as the best, and in that order. The first two are $200, the third is $100. Having shot them all, I picked the FSC-47 for flash suppression as well as effectiveness for cost. If you want the very least recoil, get an Antidote or BattleComp. But an FSC-47 will get you close, for $100 less. 2 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Salmonking 149 Posted September 6, 2014 Report Share Posted September 6, 2014 A quick note- if you get the comp, it's going to be considerably louder. For a first time shooter that might be a bit of a turn off. For flash hiders my favorite is the Smith Vortex.I love my PWS FSC-47; comp and flash suppression in one neat $100 package. 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
imarangemaster 315 Posted September 8, 2014 Report Share Posted September 8, 2014 (edited) There is a small outfit that makes a "Tactical Tri-Delta" muzzle brake. About the size of an A2 flash hider. It comes in 14x1mmL, for 7.62x39 cal, 1/2x28 for 223, and 5/8x24 for 300 BLK and 7.62x51 Nato. I used one on a 300BLK M4gery and it works awesome! I ordered the 14x1L version and threading my Saiga barrel for it. I am also going to get the 223 version for my 5.56 M4gey build. The 14x1 L version is on sale for $28.50 with free shipping. The 1/2x28 5.56 and .308 58/24 versions are $38.50 https://www.custommuzzlebrakes.com/#!/~/product/category=10112104&id=38434451 PS: It is American made and counts as 1 922R US made part. Edited September 8, 2014 by imarangemaster Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Sirex 34 Posted September 10, 2014 Author Report Share Posted September 10, 2014 Thank you guys. Looking into all suggestions. **OFF TOPIC** OP your profile pic looks an awful lot like the first car i ever owned an '87 Honda CRX Si!!! I loved that car It is the Autoart 1/18 model of my exact car. I have a 1985 Honda CRX Si. Well, will have had. Might be going thru a divorce here soon so the car may go. Honestly, I'd rather keep the car, LOL. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
opto_isolator 3 Posted September 10, 2014 Report Share Posted September 10, 2014 I wish more manufacturers made brakes in 24.5 threads versus 14.1. The options for us are more limited!!! Quote Link to post Share on other sites
imarangemaster 315 Posted September 10, 2014 Report Share Posted September 10, 2014 An AMD-65 bralke is a great brake, BUT DAMN LOUD! Basically in 24mm limited to AK103 type, or Krinkov type with the cone on the end. I have a 24mm Krink one in my stuff. 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
nsnate02 32 Posted September 10, 2014 Report Share Posted September 10, 2014 The SLR brake works well as does the Damage Industries brake. The Manticore Nightbrake is the only thing I'll run on my AK pistols and they need taming. I would take the Nightbrake over anything else for recoil reducing purposes. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
dieb4iwake 60 Posted September 10, 2014 Report Share Posted September 10, 2014 (edited) anyone have any experience with this muzzle break http://slrrifleworks.com/index.php?route=product/product&path=24&product_id=57 Edited September 10, 2014 by dieb4iwake Quote Link to post Share on other sites
SaigaFL 4 Posted September 14, 2014 Report Share Posted September 14, 2014 I have a nice collection of muzzle brakes never having paid more than $50. for any of them. Best cheap and light brake as supported by tests on You Tube the Tapco slant brake, under $20. , very light and short. Best muzzle control the Shark brake, usually under $35. on E Bay. If the difference between a $20. brake and a $100. one is 1 to 3% it's a waste in my book to pay the extra $, buy more ammo. Best brake from the experts the SRVV Jet Russian brake for $85. + shipping at Circle 10 AK. Just my 2 cents. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
imarangemaster 315 Posted September 14, 2014 Report Share Posted September 14, 2014 This is the Tactical Tri-Delta: I used it on my .300 Blackout M4gery. Works AWESOME. $28.50 on sale! Quote Link to post Share on other sites
patriot 7,197 Posted September 14, 2014 Report Share Posted September 14, 2014 An AMD-65 bralke is a great brake, BUT DAMN LOUD! Basically in 24mm limited to AK103 type, or Krinkov type with the cone on the end. I have a 24mm Krink one in my stuff. I have an AMD-65 brake. Yeah...It's LOUD. Works well though. It's got a hell of a muzzle blast, especially under a canopy. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
SaigaFL 4 Posted October 1, 2014 Report Share Posted October 1, 2014 I picked up a used AMD-65 brake, it works but it's loud and very heavy. Al the brakes are flame throwers especially the OEM AK74 item. I see this at indoor ranges which are not well lit in the shooting stalls. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Inebriated 31 Posted October 1, 2014 Report Share Posted October 1, 2014 I picked up a used AMD-65 brake, it works but it's loud and very heavy. Al the brakes are flame throwers especially the OEM AK74 item. I see this at indoor ranges which are not well lit in the shooting stalls. PWS FSC-47 is a very good comp/flash suppressor combo. 2 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
txoutback 1 Posted November 30, 2014 Report Share Posted November 30, 2014 Anyone have experience with the Krebs M16A2 brake vs standard AK slant? The Krebs is just like a M16A2 bird-cage, but without slots on the bottom side. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Nailbomb 10,221 Posted November 30, 2014 Report Share Posted November 30, 2014 Slant brakes are light and effective. Had very good luck with the Jtac47 brake on a SKS bullpup. That combo made for a gun with no perceptive muzzle rise. The Left Coast Comp I got from Juggs worked great on a mosin build for a friend. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
imarangemaster 315 Posted November 30, 2014 Report Share Posted November 30, 2014 (edited) I tried the M16A1 style. It was an awesome flash hider. The Krebs may work well as both MB and FH. My favorite, though, is still the Tactical Tri-Delta brake. With it and a Buffer technologies recoil buffer, it shoots really smooth. I know some folks pooh-pooh recoil buffers on AKs, saying "it wasn't designed with one by Kalashnikov, so it doesn't need it." maybe it doesn't need it, but why beat it up. FALs, G3/HK91s, ARs, all have rubber recoil buffers for a reason. It helps lessen wear and tear on the weapon.. Edited November 30, 2014 by imarangemaster 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
imarangemaster 315 Posted November 30, 2014 Report Share Posted November 30, 2014 (edited) I picked up a used AMD-65 brake, it works but it's loud and very heavy. Al the brakes are flame throwers especially the OEM AK74 item. I see this at indoor ranges which are not well lit in the shooting stalls. AMD brakes a really cool, but your shooting neighbors (and the guys down the road) will hate you. I think they actually amplify sound (not really, it it sure seems like it.)! I haveNEVER heard anything louder on an AK than an AMD65 brake. I had one on a Saiga, but got rid of it! Edited November 30, 2014 by imarangemaster Quote Link to post Share on other sites
SaigaFL 4 Posted December 9, 2014 Report Share Posted December 9, 2014 (edited) My Shark brake is soooo damn loud, but it really keeps the muzzle down ! But here are the "usual suspects". Edited December 9, 2014 by SaigaFL Quote Link to post Share on other sites
poolingmyignorance 2,191 Posted December 10, 2014 Report Share Posted December 10, 2014 Fsc30.hands down. It does require some smiting as it is threaded 5/8x28rh and not 14 whatever left hand like most aks Quote Link to post Share on other sites
semper299 284 Posted December 10, 2014 Report Share Posted December 10, 2014 (edited) Real AK74 Brake.....inexpensive and works. And I would put on an AK74 FSB to make it look even more authentic. Edited December 10, 2014 by Semper299 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Tool_of_Society 15 Posted December 13, 2014 Report Share Posted December 13, 2014 **OFF TOPIC** OP your profile pic looks an awful lot like the first car i ever owned an '87 Honda CRX Si!!! I loved that car I always loved those cars, never owned one. How cool was that little window in the back, I always wanted one. I had an 89 SI with a JDM B16 swap with NOS (50hp dry) and more back in the late 90s. I did a ridiculous amount of work on that car. I ported and polished and tweaked for 100s of hours. In case you're wondering I ran a 4 into 2 header with cat and a standard turbo muffler. No fart can and the car wasn't too loud. It was ridiculously fast and a death trap though. Still got +30 mpg highway even with the ridiculous level of modding. I had to get a custom ECU setup for it Now I'm stuck with smaller projects like the saiga. I've heard some good things here about the Jtac47 break. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
patriot 7,197 Posted December 13, 2014 Report Share Posted December 13, 2014 If I ever go for a Sig brace on an AK pistol, I'll screw on the AMD-65 brake. THAT should get some attention! The damned thing sounds like field artillery on my AMD-65, so I'm sure it'll be crazy loud on something even shorter! Think braked 50BMG loud, but without the overpressure wave. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
imarangemaster 315 Posted December 14, 2014 Report Share Posted December 14, 2014 Another thing you might do along with the Tri-delta brake I have, I used a vented Chicom gas tube (you can use East German or Bulgarian vented ones, also) which compensates for AKs tendency to be over-gassed, and a recoil buffer from Buffer Technologies. Between the three, I honestly feel that my felt recoil is probably less than half of the stock Saiga! Quote Link to post Share on other sites
JoeAK 337 Posted December 14, 2014 Report Share Posted December 14, 2014 If I ever go for a Sig brace on an AK pistol, I'll screw on the AMD-65 brake. THAT should get some attention! The damned thing sounds like field artillery on my AMD-65, so I'm sure it'll be crazy loud on something even shorter! Think braked 50BMG loud, but without the overpressure wave. Don't bother, go for the SHM loudener. After hearing the AMD-65s at Knob Creek I got one of the brakes for my saiga and was let down by how quiet it was on a 16" barrel. (still loud, but no where near the AMD-65) Since SHM posted the blue prints as advertisements, I made my own loudener, and it makes it significantly louder, even a bit uncomfortable if you're next to it. It also makes a quite an impressive fireball. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
imarangemaster 315 Posted December 14, 2014 Report Share Posted December 14, 2014 (edited) I'm going on 63 years old, and am VERY old school. Until very recently, I had not been a "fanboy" of muzzle brakes at all. Flash Hiders I learned to appreciate in the military in the early to mid-1970s. Fast forward to recent times, however, I went through a change in attitude. A couple years ago, I built a .300 Blackout M4gery for a domestic security contract I had in the mountains, patrol power infrastructure and hydro dams. The 300 BLK has decidedly more kick than a 5.56 in a similar build. I decided to try the Tri-Delta Tactical brake (like I have on my Saiga now). That, along with an H buffer and an M16 BCG really tamed the 300 BLK a LOT! When I quit the contract, I sold the 300 BLK because I could not afford to feed it, even handloading. I replaced it with a 5.56 build, and put a tri-Delta brake on it, (works wonders along with the H buffer), and finally on the Saiga, along with a buffer. There are lots of muzzle brakes on the market. Some are STUPID expensive, and have questionable utility. I have seen futurist looking, fancy, EXPENSIVE brakes that did not work worth a sh_t, but look really "tacticool!" The Tri-Delta Tactical is an excellent, practical design, and it really works (and is relatively inexpensive, too). The short model I have used on three different weapons and calibers The long version of the brake: Edited December 14, 2014 by imarangemaster Quote Link to post Share on other sites
txoutback 1 Posted December 15, 2014 Report Share Posted December 15, 2014 (edited) **OFF TOPIC** OP your profile pic looks an awful lot like the first car i ever owned an '87 Honda CRX Si!!! I loved that car I always loved those cars, never owned one. How cool was that little window in the back, I always wanted one. I had an 89 SI with a JDM B16 swap with NOS (50hp dry) and more back in the late 90s. I did a ridiculous amount of work on that car. I ported and polished and tweaked for 100s of hours. In case you're wondering I ran a 4 into 2 header with cat and a standard turbo muffler. No fart can and the car wasn't too loud. It was ridiculously fast and a death trap though. Still got +30 mpg highway even with the ridiculous level of modding. I had to get a custom ECU setup for it Now I'm stuck with smaller projects like the saiga. I've heard some good things here about the Jtac47 break. My first car was a 78 cvcc, then my second was an 84 hatch... such love for those cars! Much later in life, I took up autocross and road-course timed trials, and built up an amazing 2nd gen CRX. That car brought me so much joy for nearly a decade...right up until a fire came to my area and burned out everything I own. Now I've moved on from the motorsports thing (did enough to learn what I wanted to know) and now I have a 96 Ford Ranger. The time and expense I used to put into motorsports I now put into subsistence farming and hunting. Such is life! Edited December 15, 2014 by txoutback Quote Link to post Share on other sites
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