JDeko 792 Posted September 8, 2014 Report Share Posted September 8, 2014 So I'm hoping to put a wood SVD Stock and matching forend on my IZ-433. Problems are: -922® -Factory Wood SVD Stocks are non-existent at this point -I've heard terrible things about Rhineland's Saiga Scout Stocks -Mixed messages on if Ironwood forends would fit my Saiga -Cost So anyone able to help? Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Wagnikov 186 Posted September 9, 2014 Report Share Posted September 9, 2014 If the SVD look is your final goal. Get an iz-447. I just bought one. Not home yet. But I can relay the particulars about how the front mounting braket works on a factory saiga 12 with SVD handguard. There are several threads along this line, and anyone who has gone indepth explaining something, can get understandably annoyed to answer the same questions over and over. I know the search suck here. But ALMOST everthing has been asked before. This happens to interest me because I have been looking for a while, and just recently found, this exact model. Mine is only polymer stock tho. If you want ak style handguards it should be much simpler tho. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Legion USA 107 Posted September 9, 2014 Report Share Posted September 9, 2014 The SVD stock is not much of a problem, but the handguards are. If you use Ak handguards you will need to remove a bunch of material from the inside in order to clear the barrel diameter. Another option is to find RPK handguards. The problem with that is the factory handguard retainer will not fit over those handguards. Whichever way you slice it, custom work will need to be done to the front end of the shotgun. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
HighPlainsDrifter 466 Posted September 10, 2014 Report Share Posted September 10, 2014 If the SVD look is your final goal. Get an iz-447.I just bought one. Not home yet. But I can relay the particulars about how the front mounting braket works on a factory saiga 12 with SVD handguard. There are several threads along this line, and anyone who has gone indepth explaining something, can get understandably annoyed to answer the same questions over and over. I know the search suck here. But ALMOST everthing has been asked before. This happens to interest me because I have been looking for a while, and just recently found, this exact model. Mine is only polymer stock tho. If you want ak style handguards it should be much simpler tho. As you already know, any svd handguard can be modified to fit this model. Essentially that's what it comes with from the factory, a modified SVD handguard. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
JDeko 792 Posted September 10, 2014 Author Report Share Posted September 10, 2014 If the SVD look is your final goal. Get an iz-447. I just bought one. Not home yet. But I can relay the particulars about how the front mounting braket works on a factory saiga 12 with SVD handguard. There are several threads along this line, and anyone who has gone indepth explaining something, can get understandably annoyed to answer the same questions over and over. I know the search suck here. But ALMOST everthing has been asked before. This happens to interest me because I have been looking for a while, and just recently found, this exact model. Mine is only polymer stock tho. If you want ak style handguards it should be much simpler tho. I couldn't find that model anywhere when I was looking for one. I created this thread because forum folk seem to hate threads getting "Necro"d as well as the fact that information from years ago or even before the import ban might not be accurate anymore. The SVD stock is not much of a problem, but the handguards are. If you use Ak handguards you will need to remove a bunch of material from the inside in order to clear the barrel diameter. Another option is to find RPK handguards. The problem with that is the factory handguard retainer will not fit over those handguards. Whichever way you slice it, custom work will need to be done to the front end of the shotgun. Ironwood make wood forends for Saiga 12s with gas tubes shortened to AK lengths I believe. Those were what I was speaking about. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Cobra 76 two 2,677 Posted September 10, 2014 Report Share Posted September 10, 2014 So I'm hoping to put a wood SVD Stock and matching forend on my IZ-433. Problems are: -922® -Factory Wood SVD Stocks are non-existent at this point -I've heard terrible things about Rhineland's Saiga Scout Stocks -Mixed messages on if Ironwood forends would fit my Saiga -Cost So anyone able to help? I have an original SVD stock around here someplace I bought years ago with intentions to do a Saiga / SVD clone. I never did find the wooden HGs and could only get a set of poly ones. I'd be willing to sell but from what I recall there would be some serious modding going on because of the funky receiver the SVD has. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
JDeko 792 Posted September 10, 2014 Author Report Share Posted September 10, 2014 Hmmm, well I could possibly send my Saiga's forend to you or preferably if there were a way i could make a mold of them and send to those. I basically just want wood versions of the poly forend on the IZ-433 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
HighPlainsDrifter 466 Posted September 10, 2014 Report Share Posted September 10, 2014 (edited) The retainers are the achilles heal to your quest. Shit you not it has been done before the Iz-447 was ever imported. Do a quick google search and contact saiga tech usa. He was one of the first and your best lead. In all honesty you are asking a lot by turning your Iz-443 into an Iz-447. The easiest and possibly the cheapest might be to sell your current build and hunt down a 447. If you can't find his contact info send me a pm. I have it buried somewhere... Edited: Alex at Russiansurplus.net has the svd wood handguard available. By no means am I endorsing your decision. It will be spendy and I question if you will be satisfied with the outcome. Remember you have a 030 and want it to be a 040. Your sight block will always be in the wrong place. Edited September 10, 2014 by HighPlainsDrifter Quote Link to post Share on other sites
JDeko 792 Posted September 10, 2014 Author Report Share Posted September 10, 2014 I meant more like what Ironwood does: http://www.ironwooddesigns.com/IWDNEWSaiga_2.html except I don't know if they would fit my 433 since they're meant fir 109's that had the gas tube chopped shorter. So I'm meaning to keep the two-piece forend instead of the big one-piece one. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
HighPlainsDrifter 466 Posted September 10, 2014 Report Share Posted September 10, 2014 I am sorta confused. Are you talking about ironwoods's sporter handguard or their ak traditional handguards? Also post a pick of the underside of your gas block or just tell me if there is tapped hole. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
JDeko 792 Posted September 10, 2014 Author Report Share Posted September 10, 2014 The AK style ones. Also, what exactly am I photographing and will it requires disassembly? Quote Link to post Share on other sites
HighPlainsDrifter 466 Posted September 10, 2014 Report Share Posted September 10, 2014 Forget the picture, I have your answer. Traditional handguards can be fit to work. Buy a cheap surplus set from anyone and make room for the barrel by removing material from the inside of the handguard. Or a better option would be to purchase an RPK handguard. Not sure where all this SVD talk came from but it sure lead to mass confusion... Quote Link to post Share on other sites
JDeko 792 Posted September 10, 2014 Author Report Share Posted September 10, 2014 SVD Stock, AK handguards. Though I've seen SVDs with AK-like handguards so I didn't differentiate to that. I'm kind of hoping to use an American-made forend to count towards 922®. Forend and stock means that the 3 parts in a mag will make me compliant with any 5+ round mag and since the SVD stock is considered a "Hunting/Sporting" stock it doesn't violate Federal law with the factory 4 magazine. Do you have any sources for American made wood AK forends? Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Cobra 76 two 2,677 Posted September 10, 2014 Report Share Posted September 10, 2014 I can modify any standard AK wood HGs to fit the larger barreled S-12 or Vepr. Did that in 2004 when I did the first ever AK wood on Sporter S-12 conversion with the Bulgarian set in my avatar. <<<< Quote Link to post Share on other sites
JDeko 792 Posted September 10, 2014 Author Report Share Posted September 10, 2014 can anyone confirm/deny that the IZ-433 has a set-up "close enough" to a shortened gas tube IZ-109 and/or a Vepr 12? Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Wagnikov 186 Posted September 10, 2014 Report Share Posted September 10, 2014 You have jumped around and referenced almost every different handguard style! 030 w wood ak 109 w SVD 030 w SVD 040 w SVD 433 w wood Galil 109 w wood galil Post a picture of the closest thing you can find, or what your trying to do? Pleas n ty Quote Link to post Share on other sites
JDeko 792 Posted September 10, 2014 Author Report Share Posted September 10, 2014 IZ-433 http://legionusainc.com/iz-433-saiga-12-russian-ak-type-shotgun.html with AK wood front end to replace the poly AK forends and a wood SVD stock to replace the poly SVD stock mine has. I want to do this for asethetic as well as 922® reasons [i'm hoping the wood parts could be American-Made] since my only other option for 922® seems to be replacing the hammer and gas puck. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Cobra 76 two 2,677 Posted September 10, 2014 Report Share Posted September 10, 2014 ...since my only other option for 922® seems to be replacing the hammer and gas puck. And what is so bad about that might one ask? Those are two of the easiest things you can do to a Saiga. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
JDeko 792 Posted September 10, 2014 Author Report Share Posted September 10, 2014 really? i've never done anything mechanical in my life really so i'm unsure of myself being able to do it. I had a hell of a time putting the black poly SVD stock on as the screws kept wanting to go in diagonally Quote Link to post Share on other sites
G O B 3,516 Posted September 10, 2014 Report Share Posted September 10, 2014 Where are you located, one of us will most likely be glad to help. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
JDeko 792 Posted September 10, 2014 Author Report Share Posted September 10, 2014 southeastern Michigan. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Cobra 76 two 2,677 Posted September 10, 2014 Report Share Posted September 10, 2014 Hmmm, well I could possibly send my Saiga's forend to you or preferably if there were a way i could make a mold of them and send to those. I basically just want wood versions of the poly forend on the IZ-433 OK I am willing to help if I can but first I need to wrap my head around just exactly what you have. Does it look like one of these? And if so, what you are after in the end is a set of AK HGs that look like those but are made of wood? And you eventually want to replace the black SVD stock you have now with the same thing but wood as well? On the other subject, replacing the gas piston (puck) is very simple if you just field strip the weapon and remove the gas tube. I don't have this model but if it's the same as my Vepr 12 it should just come right out with the gas tube removed. I believe CSS or somebody sells a US made replacement for these (again if they are the same as Vepr 12). With the hammer, that too is easily removed / replaced by just taking out the axis pin retainer or even relieving the tension it is putting on the hammer pin just enough to push the pin out about 1/4". After that the pin is unlocked and can be pulled out from the left side. You would first want to pull the legs of the main spring up and hook them behind the top of the hammer then wrap a twist tie around them. With the pin out you can pull the original hammer out and replace with a G-2 hammer that has been modified to fit a Saiga. I can sell you a complete FCG for that matter that will give you three compliance parts and save having to buy a puck. I could talk you or anyone how to do this procedure over the phone and / or there are countless videos on youtube about it. As HPD already said a couple of times I think, you would be better off just selling yours and getting one like you want with wood furniture if Legion has these. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
JDeko 792 Posted September 10, 2014 Author Report Share Posted September 10, 2014 Legion doesn't have them, but you are right about whaty mine looks like [the bottom one[ and what i want to do to it. how much would the complete set be? Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Cobra 76 two 2,677 Posted September 11, 2014 Report Share Posted September 11, 2014 I don't have a set for that gun. I suggest Ironwood if Legion can't help. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
JDeko 792 Posted September 11, 2014 Author Report Share Posted September 11, 2014 I don't have a set for that gun. I suggest Ironwood if Legion can't help. i was thinking Ironwood. Anyone have opinions on these stocks? http://www.troupsystems.com/saiga.htm Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Wagnikov 186 Posted September 11, 2014 Report Share Posted September 11, 2014 That IS super cheap, unfortunately they look appropriately priced! Lmao. Something looks funny on the back of the receiver. So I have a question SVD wood stock for a "restored" fcg, does that beast exists? Quote Link to post Share on other sites
HighPlainsDrifter 466 Posted September 11, 2014 Report Share Posted September 11, 2014 That IS super cheap, unfortunately they look appropriately priced! Lmao. Something looks funny on the back of the receiver. So I have a question SVD wood stock for a "restored" fcg, does that beast exists? http://www.rusmilitary.com/images/svd_furniture.jpg Quote Link to post Share on other sites
JDeko 792 Posted September 11, 2014 Author Report Share Posted September 11, 2014 but where exactly would you find one of those? Quote Link to post Share on other sites
HighPlainsDrifter 466 Posted September 11, 2014 Report Share Posted September 11, 2014 but where exactly would you find one of those? Russia Quote Link to post Share on other sites
HighPlainsDrifter 466 Posted September 11, 2014 Report Share Posted September 11, 2014 http://www.armslist.com/posts/2829551/los-angeles-california-gun-parts-for-sale--for-sale--svd-dragunov-tiger-authentic-russian-laminated-wood-stock-set Quote Link to post Share on other sites
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