JDeko 792 Posted September 11, 2014 Author Report Share Posted September 11, 2014 I don't have a set for that gun. I suggest Ironwood if Legion can't help. you don't have the FCG set you mentioned for the 433? Because Legion mostly has Russian stuff http://www.armslist.com/posts/2829551/los-angeles-california-gun-parts-for-sale--for-sale--svd-dragunov-tiger-authentic-russian-laminated-wood-stock-set aside from costing almost as much as my shotgun it also wouldn't fit my Saiga i don't think. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
HighPlainsDrifter 466 Posted September 11, 2014 Report Share Posted September 11, 2014 (edited) I don't have a set for that gun. I suggest Ironwood if Legion can't help. you don't have the FCG set you mentioned for the 433? Because Legion mostly has Russian stuff http://www.armslist.com/posts/2829551/los-angeles-california-gun-parts-for-sale--for-sale--svd-dragunov-tiger-authentic-russian-laminated-wood-stock-set aside from costing almost as much as my shotgun it also wouldn't fit my Saiga i don't think. Stock/yes Hand guard/no Edited: You might consider selling the forearm for $150. Yes, the guy is charging stupid prices. I believe Legion had that set available a year ago for a little over $200. My advice is to get that poly stock from black horse arsenal and install poly ak hand guards. Make sure to use a credit card with black horse. Also try contacting alex at legionusa and ask if he has this set somewhere. Realize you are asking a lot in this current political situation. Maybe/hopefully in a years time things will be different. Edited September 11, 2014 by HighPlainsDrifter Quote Link to post Share on other sites
JDeko 792 Posted September 11, 2014 Author Report Share Posted September 11, 2014 you're right about that now that i think of it. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
HighPlainsDrifter 466 Posted September 11, 2014 Report Share Posted September 11, 2014 you're right about that now that i think of it. Move the trigger forward and the stock will mount right up. Don't spend those stupid prices for wood. If you have cash to burn let's talk about installing a SVDS folding stock. That hardware is still out there... Quote Link to post Share on other sites
JDeko 792 Posted September 11, 2014 Author Report Share Posted September 11, 2014 i don't really have a ton top burn no, tis why i was so saddened to see the price of that stock you posted. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Cobra 76 two 2,677 Posted September 11, 2014 Report Share Posted September 11, 2014 I don't have a set for that gun. I suggest Ironwood if Legion can't help. you don't have the FCG set you mentioned for the 433? Because Legion mostly has Russian stuff http://www.armslist.com/posts/2829551/los-angeles-california-gun-parts-for-sale--for-sale--svd-dragunov-tiger-authentic-russian-laminated-wood-stock-set aside from costing almost as much as my shotgun it also wouldn't fit my Saiga i don't think. Yes I can sell you one of the best custom trigger groups money can buy for it. I just don't have a wooden set of furniture like this that will fit your gun without extensive (= expensive) modifications. I do have a real SVD wooden stock but still haven't found myself a set of wood HGs to make it worth doing all the mods it will take to make the set fit one of my own guns. I actually would love to put such a set on my Romanian Romak III / PSL. If you are interested in one of our custom FCGs please send me a PM and we will take it from there. Shannon Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Wagnikov 186 Posted September 11, 2014 Report Share Posted September 11, 2014 Picked up these today! I'm kinda stoked. They fit one of the two 040 saiga's I purchased from Alex at Legion USA. The guys there at Legion have always been very personable, shoot you strait, and make some really good deals! These hanguards are SVDs factory fit specifically for the izzy 447. So I'm thinking either a SVD folder or a factory wood buttstock modded to fit "converted" fcg to finish that gun out. I will most likely have a polymer SVD style stock set for sale if some one has interest in that. I also grabbed one of the ak-100 poly folders while they are still available. (Gotta fig out which project is the lucky winner) 2 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
HighPlainsDrifter 466 Posted September 11, 2014 Report Share Posted September 11, 2014 Is that wood? Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Legion USA 107 Posted September 11, 2014 Report Share Posted September 11, 2014 Yes it is factory wood laminate. I have some SVDS stock's which should be available next month, that would be a great addition to the IZ-447 with wood handguards. 2 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Wagnikov 186 Posted September 11, 2014 Report Share Posted September 11, 2014 Yes it is factory wood laminate. I have some SVDS stock's which should be available next month, that would be a great addition to the IZ-447 with wood handguards.If there's a list, put me on it! For anyone who hasn't bought through Legion, I can tell you first hand they are excellent to work with! If you have questions they are very clear, no disappointments. +1(yes ik there is a gay feedback section) Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Cobra 76 two 2,677 Posted September 11, 2014 Report Share Posted September 11, 2014 Yes it is factory wood laminate. I have some SVDS stock's which should be available next month, that would be a great addition to the IZ-447 with wood handguards. Sounds great I will be looking forward to the photos on the website. Has anyone done any of these custom to fit the PSL? I know there was one company doing a sweet black poly set on another forum but that seems to have gone south from what I recall. I just really would like to see an SVD clone kit for the PSL rifles. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Wagnikov 186 Posted September 11, 2014 Report Share Posted September 11, 2014 The front handguard IS the immediate give away to the SVD. So I think your right cobra, with the right fore stock a PSL would be a believable clone. Plus if you jet the gas block you can pick up some accuracy, reduce the "vertical stringer," and shoot heavy ball safely. Steel dbl stack mags. 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
JDeko 792 Posted September 11, 2014 Author Report Share Posted September 11, 2014 Yes it is factory wood laminate. I have some SVDS stock's which should be available next month, that would be a great addition to the IZ-447 with wood handguards. so would you need to "convert" your Saiga for those stocks or do they work with the trigger all the way in the back? Quote Link to post Share on other sites
HighPlainsDrifter 466 Posted September 12, 2014 Report Share Posted September 12, 2014 (edited) Yes it is factory wood laminate. I have some SVDS stock's which should be available next month, that would be a great addition to the IZ-447 with wood handguards. so would you need to "convert" your Saiga for those stocks or do they work with the trigger all the way in the back? It doesn't matter where your trigger is located for that stock to mount up. What's important is having the right model. It's a quick mount to a Iz-447 because it has the correct retainers and the needed barrel ring. Your Iz-443 does not. Can it be mounted to a 443? Maybe but you would need a competent gunsmith and pay him a lot of money. You would be better off served by selling your 443 and somewhere finding a 447. Yes it is factory wood laminate. I have some SVDS stock's which should be available next month, that would be a great addition to the IZ-447 with wood handguards. What's the chances of obtaining a wood S-12 pistol grip as well? Sunny to partly cloudy? Edited September 12, 2014 by HighPlainsDrifter Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Eric Pate 478 Posted September 12, 2014 Report Share Posted September 12, 2014 What's the chances of obtaining a wood S-12 pistol grip as well? Sunny to partly cloudy? Not sure if this is what you mean, but theres a ton of wood AK grips that (I think) would fit S12 with minimal mods. Theres the laminated Russian type: Hungarian AMD: Romanian: "Fat" grip (I think they're Chinese?): Yugo M76: And of course, Ironwood Designs makes all sorts of nice repros too. Hope this helps. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Legion USA 107 Posted September 12, 2014 Report Share Posted September 12, 2014 Yes it is factory wood laminate. I have some SVDS stock's which should be available next month, that would be a great addition to the IZ-447 with wood handguards. so would you need to "convert" your Saiga for those stocks or do they work with the trigger all the way in the back? It doesn't matter where your trigger is located for that stock to mount up. What's important is having the right model. It's a quick mount to a Iz-447 because it has the correct retainers and the needed barrel ring. Your Iz-443 does not. Can it be mounted to a 443? Maybe but you would need a competent gunsmith and pay him a lot of money. You would be better off served by selling your 443 and somewhere finding a 447. Yes it is factory wood laminate. I have some SVDS stock's which should be available next month, that would be a great addition to the IZ-447 with wood handguards. What's the chances of obtaining a wood S-12 pistol grip as well? Sunny to partly cloudy? I am working on getting the wooden pistol grip that I have on my S12 (seen below) Also i agree that trying to put IZ-447 handguards on a IZ-433 is way too much work. I would stick to finding some Ak handguards and hollowing them out, Like Cobra recommended. 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
JDeko 792 Posted September 12, 2014 Author Report Share Posted September 12, 2014 I meant the SVD stocks that you [Legion] will be getting in. Are they for factory configuration or for "converted" configuration? Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Wagnikov 186 Posted September 13, 2014 Report Share Posted September 13, 2014 I think they will be factory SVD. The SVD has an entirely different reciever, so it would require extensive mods to s12 reciever or stock or both? I really don't know tho Quote Link to post Share on other sites
JDeko 792 Posted September 13, 2014 Author Report Share Posted September 13, 2014 well there were SVD style faux-wood stocks that fit any Saiga with the factory trigger placement just as the black poly one Legion still has [that is on my Saiga as well]. That was my question. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Cobra 76 two 2,677 Posted September 13, 2014 Report Share Posted September 13, 2014 The SVD has a receiver cut wayyy different than the AK or S-12. That is part of what has held me back from fitting my stock yet. When I finally get a set of HGs to make the project worthwhile I'll probably try it. Here are some images of the real deal. Might want to grab a box of tissues and maybe a bib... http://www.dragunov.net/internals.html http://www.dragunov.net/stocks.html Quote Link to post Share on other sites
JDeko 792 Posted September 13, 2014 Author Report Share Posted September 13, 2014 but the IZ-447 that is supposedly fits on doesn't look like its receiver is any different from any other Saiga, unless it is and you can't tell til you take the stock off. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
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HighPlainsDrifter 466 Posted September 13, 2014 Report Share Posted September 13, 2014 can anyone confirm/deny that the IZ-433 has a set-up "close enough" to a shortened gas tube IZ-109 and/or a Vepr 12? You have mentioned this a few times so lets put this one to bed. The gas tube length is the same on the 109's and the 030/040's. The differece will be in the hand guard retainers and the lack of a traditional rear sight on the 109's. I sent both you and wagnakov that link to the svd wood stock that's available. Are you concerned with it mounting up? I don't believe you should have any issues. Go ahead and post a picture here for a second opinion. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
HighPlainsDrifter 466 Posted September 13, 2014 Report Share Posted September 13, 2014 (edited) I am second guessing myself. So the question is will this stock mount up to a saiga 12 without modifications? https://www.google.com/url?sa=i&rct=j&q=svd+wood+stock+saiga&source=images&cd=&cad=rja&uact=8&docid=mjGo3pNSpZ0FIM&tbnid=jdri2t3OyyV46M:&ved=0CAcQjRw&url=http%3A%2F%2Fkalinkaoptics.com%2Foriginal-svd-wooden-stock-w-cheek-and-plastic-handguards-kit-1987.html&ei=zaQUVL7pBMi6ogTd84CABw&psig=AFQjCNH0hnaMUbpa4NbuZykn5SBLnULZtA&ust=1410725356647775 Apologies for posting link to non member... Edited September 13, 2014 by HighPlainsDrifter Quote Link to post Share on other sites
JDeko 792 Posted September 14, 2014 Author Report Share Posted September 14, 2014 Welp, turns out my brother's mother-in-law can't make the parts, and I really don't have the money to shell out to convert my Saiga and buy the SVD stock so how hard exactly is it to replace a gas puck? I at least want to get my Russian Part Count down to 10 counting the 3 Mag parts so its looking like Hammer and Puck are my best bet without breaking the bank, though i've read that sometimes the Thread Protector will be argued to be a "Muzzle Attachment" so is there maybe a third easy thing to replace? Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Wagnikov 186 Posted September 14, 2014 Report Share Posted September 14, 2014 Welp, turns out my brother's mother-in-law can't make the parts, and I really don't have the money to shell out to convert my Saiga and buy the SVD stock so how hard exactly is it to replace a gas puck? That, my friend, is a quantum leap in the change of "scope of work" lmfao Ok. First you have to field strip the weapon. So remove the dustcover, remove the recoil spring, then slide the carrier all the way to the rear pull it up and out. Then on the right-hand side of the rear sight block there is a small lever. You have to rotate that lever up(yes it will prob be very tight) once not lever is facing up you can remove the upper handguard. (Yes it will most likely be very tight) if the hand guard comes up about 1/2" and is loose but won't come the rest of the way out you either have t field stripped you weapon yet or you may need to rotate the lever towards the rear slightly. This will allow the flat spot on the shaft of that lever to clear the rear of the upper hanguard. Once you have the upper hand guard out you should be able to see the gas park in the gas block. If you gun is new or clean you could probably just tilt your gun back and it'll slide out. If to doe not, there is a slot or hook machined into the end of the op rod(shiny chrome piece screwed Into the end of the carrier) use that hook/slot to grab inside the puck and pull out! Lots of words to describe but super simple to do. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Wagnikov 186 Posted September 14, 2014 Report Share Posted September 14, 2014 Reference this for pics (i don't know how to make it link? Anyone wanna privy me with that info?lol) NEVER struggle to remove upper handguard again! Quote Link to post Share on other sites
JDeko 792 Posted September 14, 2014 Author Report Share Posted September 14, 2014 i saw a video on how to remove the gas-tube since i was pondering having to give my plastic guards to have wood versions created from said extended family member. So puck doesn't seem too hard and seemingly the hammer isn't that hard to replace so at least i have options there. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Wagnikov 186 Posted September 17, 2014 Report Share Posted September 17, 2014 Posted pic for anyone to reference the handguard brakets to mount a SVD forestock. This is a factory 040 . Iz-447. Thanks again Legion USA 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
JDeko 792 Posted September 17, 2014 Author Report Share Posted September 17, 2014 that does look pretty sweet, i must admit Quote Link to post Share on other sites
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