Blood test for depression... wanna bet where this is going?

[Spartacus 1,619]

"Now a new study suggests that a simple blood test could soon allow doctors to diagnose clinical depression as easily as they check cholesterol."

 

 

http://www.cbsnews.com/news/first-blood-test-for-clinical-depression/

 

 

So we have doctors being directed to ask if there are firearms in the home (by the feds).

We have Obamacare laws that will also provide all of your medical info to big brother.

 

Now we have a simple blood test that can "prove" clinical depression.

 

Failing to get their outright gun bans, the gun grabbers are now pushing for background checks and screening of gun owners to see if they are mentally "unstable".

 

The plot of this next gun grabber attack is as bad and predictable as a made for TV movie.

 

 

I say that cheerfully of course!          <----  (see... I'm smiling, no depression)

[DogMan 2,343]

First of all, depression does not equate to "mentally unstable". Second, even if they tried to make that definitive connection,and they can't, a blood test would be no different than a documented diagnosis by a mental health professional as far as evidence is concerned. If I had depression I wouldn't be concerned about it.....yet.

Edited September 17, 2014 by DogMan

[Spartacus 1,619]

>>depression does not equate to "mentally unstable"

 

I agree, but it's not you or me making up the rules.

 

This could easily be used the same way they use the diagnosis of PTSD to disarm vets now.

 

This test could be included in a full blood panel at check-ups as just a routine test. So somebody could get an annual check-up

or a check-up required for work, and the next week get "swatted" based on blood test results.

[Shandlanos 1,470]

>>depression does not equate to "mentally unstable"

 

I agree, but it's not you or me making up the rules.

 

This could easily be used the same way they use the diagnosis of PTSD to disarm vets now.

 

This test could be included in a full blood panel at check-ups as just a routine test. So somebody could get an annual check-up

or a check-up required for work, and the next week get "swatted" based on blood test results.

I have a good friend with diagnosed PTSD who continues to own and purchase firearms. Simply being diagnosed with PTSD does not qualify as being "adjudicated mentally defective."

 

Are some states disarming vets over that shit?

[Juggernaut 11,054]

Don't need a blood test... Just need to know if you listen to Morrissey..

[Spartacus 1,619]

 

>>depression does not equate to "mentally unstable"

 

I agree, but it's not you or me making up the rules.

 

This could easily be used the same way they use the diagnosis of PTSD to disarm vets now.

 

This test could be included in a full blood panel at check-ups as just a routine test. So somebody could get an annual check-up

or a check-up required for work, and the next week get "swatted" based on blood test results.

I have a good friend with diagnosed PTSD who continues to own and purchase firearms. Simply being diagnosed with PTSD does not qualify as being "adjudicated mentally defective."

 

Are some states disarming vets over that shit?

 

 

The Veterans Administration did it in at least one publicized case.

There have also been cases where state or municipal police have confiscated the guns.

 

 

http://www.dcclothesline.com/2014/01/19/obamas-veterans-affairs-takes-guns-vet-wife-manages-family-finances/

 

http://www.guns.com/2013/05/27/combat-veteran-sues-after-gun-confiscation-with-some-help-from-florida-carry-inc/

 

 

Quote from the next link:

 

"What if that letter also stated: “A determination of incompetency will prohibit you from purchasing, possessing, receiving, or transporting a firearm or ammunition. If you knowingly violate any of these prohibitions, you may be fined, imprisoned, or both pursuant to the Brady Handgun Violence Prevention Act, Pub.L.No. 103-159, as implemented at 18, United States Code 924(a)(2).”?

That makes is sound like something right from a documentary on a tyrannical dictatorship somewhere in the world. Yet, as I write this I have a copy of such a letter right in front of me. It is being sent by the U.S. Department of Veterans Affairs to hundreds, perhaps thousands, of America’s heroes. In my capacity as Executive Director of the United States Justice Foundation (USJF) I have been contacted by some of these veterans and the stories I am getting are appalling.

The letter provides no specifics on the reasons for the proposed finding of incompetency; just that is based on a determination by someone in the VA."

 

 

http://mrconservative.com/2013/02/5167-report-veterans-are-receiving-letters-from-va-prohibiting-the-ownership-or-purchase-of-firearms/

 

 

There are a lot of cases out there if you care to do the searching.....

 

 

We live in a time where there are red light cameras that serve as proof you violated the law. No police officer witnessed the infraction, yet you are mailed a ticket and expected to pay up. If this same police state approach carries over to health care and mental diagnosis (that the govt. is taking control of), it's easy to see where a blood test may be used as proof that a subject is mentally unstable.

 

In fact, it will be hailed has a huge advance in making a mental diagnosis more objective and "fair" since no subjective eval. is necessary.

There will be no adjudication necessary, the doc has the proof.

 

Another interesting read on the subject of PTSD vs. firearm possession:

 

http://www.gunlawsbystate.com/post-traumatic-stress-disorder-depression-and-possessing-a-firearm-the-basics/

Edited September 17, 2014 by Spartacus

[Big John! 2,062]

Anyone who is paying attention to current affairs will fail this test in a big way.

[Arik 565]

I went to see a specialist yesterday. OMG how things have changed. I only see him once every few years but yesterday everyone was walking around with laptops, loging in all your info into a databse. The doc even talked our whole conversation into the computer and it typed out as we talked. Not having been to any real doctors offices in a while their system already knew that I recently started taking a generic version of prilosec (sp?) for heartburn. This whole thing made me feel so fucking uncomfortable. My info is out there for anyone to see....anyone who knows how to get into the system

[G O B 3,516]

I am NOT depressed, I am just GRUMPY!

 

I have every right to be GRUMPY, the buyer postponed the settlement , and I am stuck here in Maryland until

 the 24th.

[jwulf 179]

I'm not depressed, just pissed off and an equal opportunity hater...

[Dogster 577]

I am aware of at least 1 case where a recently discharged young man was denied a purchase of a hunting gun due to "possible PTSD", even though he had been given a clean bill of health on his discharge physical. Of course, this happened in the far west, go figure.

[thebuns1 4,323]

Depression is one of the common emotions people feel at one point or another. It's not an illness. Seems like a shitty attempt to start forcing people into the land of prescription drugs.

[YOT 3,743]

Hell, I've seen little children get depressed because the wanted a purple ice-pop and got a red one.

[storm6490 2,768]

Only a Jury of your Peers should be able to determine that you are mentally incompetent or suffering from dotage. NOT THE STATE or any other shrink that thinks they know the human mind. All we know is each other. Only G-d can judge us. Not some pencil pushing communist that would use this to disarm the opposition.

[wasrNwarpaint 184]

Seems like a shitty attempt to start forcing people into the land of prescription drugs.

 

that path was started for the sheeple years ago

[Long Shot 1,287]

This thread reminds me of that scene in War of the Worlds.

 

O'l boy digging in the basement chanting, " not my blood, not my blood, not my blood "

[Jpanzer 1,265]

Don't need a blood test... Just need to know if you listen to Morrissey..

C'mon Juggs, when I hear his song "Girlfriend In a Coma" it actually makes me laugh a little.... 

[Juggernaut 11,054]

 

Don't need a blood test... Just need to know if you listen to Morrissey..

C'mon Juggs, when I hear his song "Girlfriend In a Coma" it actually makes me laugh a little.... 

 

[thebuns1 4,323]

 

Seems like a shitty attempt to start forcing people into the land of prescription drugs.

 

that path was started for the sheeple years ago

 

Seems like a shitty attempt to start forcing people into the land of prescription drugs.

 

that path was started for the sheeple years ago

Yes it was. But the carpet is being rolled out more now days to get people onto government dependency. Its gotten worse in the last few years.

[alistar 13]

Don't really need a diagnosis: some would say that merely being prescribed any drug with an association with increased suicidal thinking or violent behavior is enough to arouse suspicion: i.e. "Serious neuropsychiatric events including, but not limited to, depression, suicidal ideation, suicide attempt, and completed suicide have been reported in patients taking CHANTIX."

 

 

"....Consider Nassau County, Long Island, a populous suburban county east of New York City. The Nassau County Police Department (ncpd) oversees the issuance of handgun licenses, which must be renewed every five years.

 

Last year, the ncpd added a new question to the application:

 

“Have you used or still use [sic] narcotics, tranquilizers or anti-depressant medication? If yes, record doctor’s name, address and phone number, (attach).” A list of all relevant

medications is required...."

 

http://www.davekopel.com/2A/Mags/AFF%201208%20Poison%20Pill.pdf

[patriot 7,197]

... our insurance co at work demands a blood sample before they will grant you permission to get the top tier plan. No blood sample=DENIED the top tier plan.

(Defense contractor in MD.)

[HB of CJ 1,263]

This is bullshit. Curious why they would use such preliminary data based upon such a tiny study group of only 32 adults who only stated that they "felt better" after some trial therapy? Where is the validity of that study? The so called study is horse shit.

 

That plus the naggy fact that only about 6%+- of the nations population suffers from clinically diagnosed depression. Why are they even wasting their time with this ... unless there is a convenient intension and excuse to fuck with the 2nd amendment?

 

While blood DNA and RNA blood markers MAY be indicative of possible clinical depression, why then would it appear that some SOCIAL SERVICES OR LAW ENFORCEMENT go gun grabbing from some GI veterans..without apparent due process?

 

This is extremely scary and sets a very bad precedent. Not only is the second amendment as risk, but what about the right of liberty? Driving, communicating, interacting, freedom of speech could all be threatened. Not "normal"?

 

No Constitutional guarantees for you! Step aside please. Soon we will need a sanity card to carry at all times...presentable upon demand. Or some chip in your forehand. "Papers Please"! Again, this is pure bullshit. Enough is enough! HB of CJ (old coot) ex. RN

Edited September 18, 2014 by HB of CJ

[Gaddis 1,689]

Don't need a blood test... Just need to know if you listen to Morrissey..

Shit, I get depressed enough being forced to watch Rachael Ray or The View (or whatever feel good Lib crap that's usually playing) in the waiting room.

[Gaddis 1,689]

And I'm always hoping (like Beavis & Butthead) that the boulder tips over on him when he's air screwing it.

[Big John! 2,062]

This thread reminds me of that scene in War of the Worlds.

 

Reminds me more of this...

 

[Long Shot 1,287]

 

This thread reminds me of that scene in War of the Worlds.

 

Reminds me more of this...

 

It's a fine line between GETTING MAD and GOING MAD.

[Spartacus 1,619]

Here's another letter from the VA dated 2 weeks ago.

No adjudication, just a threat of fines/prison for non-compliance.

 

I'm posting a link to the ar15 forum, (sorry mods), but I don't want to repost the actual VA letter

and have them after me for posting private info.

 

http://www.ar15.com/forums/t_1_5/1667297_VA_yanks_vet_s_2nd_Amendment_rights.html

[DogMan 2,343]

I think this blood test is going to turn out to be nothing more than one of many tools to diagnose and treat depression. It seems inevitable that some people will get the blood test and the doctor will "declare" that they are depressed and they will say "I don't know what you're talking about, I feel great!" Then who is going to be right, the "test" or the patient who knows better than anyone how he feels?

[patriot 7,197]

...just tell them your anger management classes are pissing you off.

[gunman1 1,753]

I think this blood test is going to turn out to be nothing more than one of many tools to diagnose and treat depression. It seems inevitable that some people will get the blood test and the doctor will "declare" that they are depressed and they will say "I don't know what you're talking about, I feel great!" Then who is going to be right, the "test" or the patient who knows better than anyone how he feels?

 

None of that will matter once you've been disarmed.....oopsie.