DLT 1,646 Posted September 22, 2014 Report Share Posted September 22, 2014 My knee is killing me! Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Long Shot 1,287 Posted September 22, 2014 Report Share Posted September 22, 2014 Old boy I used to work with had gout. It would mostly cause foot pain so bad he would have to take time off work for it. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Spartacus 1,619 Posted September 22, 2014 Report Share Posted September 22, 2014 I've had it in my big toe joint where it's common. The whole toe joint gets bright red and hot. Absolutely horrific pain! Sharp searing pain from just moving slightly or the bed sheet touching it. Wearing shoes is out of the question. It does seem to be somewhat diet and body chemistry related. Rich and fatty meats and seafood can trigger it. I've also had problems with diet sodas. Eat salads and fruit. Lots of water. http://www.mayoclinic.org/healthy-living/nutrition-and-healthy-eating/in-depth/gout-diet/art-20048524 Also watch that you are not doing something to aggravate the body part. I've caught myself crossing my feet under my computer desk in a way that can cause my toe joints to hurt. Last time they gave me "indomethacin" for the pain. Seems like it does nothing at first. You have to keep taking it for a couple of days for it to start helping. Worst part is the rolling eyes and snickering you get from some health care people. They have no idea of the pain involved because they haven't had it. Best wishes to you for speedy relief, gout sucks man. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
grima 15 Posted September 22, 2014 Report Share Posted September 22, 2014 Drink plenty of water, Avoid acidic fruit Nothing pickled Gout is caused by a build up of uric acid, that tern into crystals & build up in a joint causing swelling. IT FUCKING HURTS Take anti inflame pills, take the pain That will remind you to watch what you eat. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
gunman1 1,753 Posted September 22, 2014 Report Share Posted September 22, 2014 I have osteoarthritis pretty bad, lately I've been having this terrible burning/stabbing pain in my left foot where the toes attach. I'm not sure this is gout, as I had a bunion removed from that foot some years back, I just marked it up to the arthritis getting in there from that. This pain has now gotten to the point that I walk with a noticeable limp at times now, guess it's time to get it checked out. Good thread, thanks. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
grima 15 Posted September 22, 2014 Report Share Posted September 22, 2014 Your post landed when I was writing mine Spartacus, Good INFO Don't take than "INDO" shit it gives you stomach pains if you haven't had anything to eat. Try "Dicloflex" 75mg 2 x a day. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Spartacus 1,619 Posted September 22, 2014 Report Share Posted September 22, 2014 No problem with the Indo for me, it was the only thing that helped, but it took a while. Learned that over multiple flare-ups. One time they also gave me Vicodin, that was a total waste of time, that did nothing to help. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
grima 15 Posted September 22, 2014 Report Share Posted September 22, 2014 Weird but true, About 4am when you are in a deep sleep, your body temp drops, also blood flow slows. That's when MR GOUT starts to get you. You can stop it getting worse if you catch it ASAP. If you suffer from gout. You will now. There is no need to take pills every day. ONLY when you feel it coming on. Hope this helps. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Gout72 8 Posted September 22, 2014 Report Share Posted September 22, 2014 Gout sucks. I've had in both thumbs, both big toes, ankles and heels. Not at the same time, of course. Red meats and beer is what always triggered it for me. Exercise and a lot of water help me manage it. Indomethacin is what the doc prescribed. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
JESS1344 508 Posted September 23, 2014 Report Share Posted September 23, 2014 (edited) GUYS, MY DAD HAD IT BAD, AND IT FLARES ON ME FROM TIME TO TIME. IF YOU LOOK AT URIC ACID CRYSTALS UNDER HIGH MAGNIFICATION, THEY LOOK LIKE RAZOR SHARP SHARDS OF BROKEN PLATE GLASS. THAT STUFF, GRINDING AWAY IN YOUR JOINTS IS WHAT CAUSES THE PAIN. YOU SHOULD BE ABLE TO GOOGLE-UP A PIC, IF YOU'RE INTERESTED. I CAN'T TAKE ALLOPURINOL; HAS A BAD SIDE EFFECT. WHAT I'VE FOUND THAT WORKS IS CHERRIES, EITHER THE FRESH PICKED IN THE PRODUCE SECTION OF YOUR GROCERY STORE, OR THE CANNED VARIETY. FOR THE CANNED, I CAN'T RECALL THE BRAND NAME, BUT THEY'RE FROM OREGON OR WASHINGTON STATE. THEY MAKE TWO TYPES, ONE IS TART WITH A THIN SYRUP, AND THE OTHER IS SWEET IN HEAVY SYRUP. THE SWEET ONES ARE THE ONES TO GET. I JUST PUT THE CAN IN THE FRIDGE, LET IT GET COLD, AND EAT THE WHOLE CAN WITH A SPOON. YOU MIGHT WANT TO EASE INTO A HALF CAN AT FIRST TO MAKE SURE IT DON'T GIVE YOU THE POOPS... NO EFFECT ON ME, AND I'VE GOT A FAIRLY SENSITIVE GUT. JESS1344 Edited September 23, 2014 by JESS1344 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Spartacus 1,619 Posted September 23, 2014 Report Share Posted September 23, 2014 (edited) True on the 4am thing, the couple of times I've had it, I woke up to it. Sucks that the docs are so scared to over prescribe serious pain killers these days. Gout causes the kind of pain that takes narcotic level pain killers to even make a dent in it. The first time, I was in disbelief that a "toe" could even hurt that much. I think that's kind of how health care professionals look at it too when you are begging for serious pain killers like a junkie trying to score. They look at you like. "Comon dude, it's a sore toe". Uhhh....... no. Way more than that. I know I was stuck with drinking whiskey to numb my brain enough that I could even try to get some sleep. You have to be really careful with alcohol and pain killers though. Best wishes to you Gout72 & AA, that is far worse than what I had. Good tip on the cherries Jess. I drank cherry juice with my whiskey one time and it seemed to help a little. Will have to try the can of sweet cherries next time. I love cherries too. Edited September 23, 2014 by Spartacus Quote Link to post Share on other sites
ANDREY 40 Posted September 23, 2014 Report Share Posted September 23, 2014 I've had it bad in both feet. Meds helped for a while but it always came back ... Acupuncture got rid of it for me. BRGDS, A Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Spartacus 1,619 Posted September 23, 2014 Report Share Posted September 23, 2014 I've had it bad in both feet. Meds helped for a while but it always came back ... Acupuncture got rid of it for me. BRGDS, A Good to know the acupuncture worked for you, thanks for the info. I wish the West would learn more of these things from Eastern medicine. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Ruffian72 548 Posted September 23, 2014 Report Share Posted September 23, 2014 Black Cherry concentrated extract. (Old school and works for most to deter and lessen pain of flare ups.) Take daily. And type of diet, exercise to keep joints flexible. One of issues lived with for 8 years. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
DLT 1,646 Posted September 23, 2014 Author Report Share Posted September 23, 2014 Well I saturated myself really well with water yesterday (about 3L). I woke up with about 80% less pain. I also ate no red meat and limited myself to only ground turkey for dinner. The other meals were cereal. 2 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Kokopelli 7 Posted September 23, 2014 Report Share Posted September 23, 2014 Black Cherry concentrated extract. (Old school and works for most to deter and lessen pain of flare ups.) Take daily. And type of diet, exercise to keep joints flexible. One of issues lived with for 8 years. That's the deal.. Cherry extract (tart) or just eat dried cherries.. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
storm6490 2,768 Posted September 23, 2014 Report Share Posted September 23, 2014 Jess nailed it. Cherry Juice worked for me in the drinking days. Now that I don't drink I never have gout. Get the fresh pressed hippie kind that has no additives, preservatives or concentrates. Knudsens cherry juice is the best. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Spartacus 1,619 Posted September 23, 2014 Report Share Posted September 23, 2014 All this talk of cherries makes me want some cherry pie! (careful Gaddis, nips and lips!) . 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Kokopelli 7 Posted September 23, 2014 Report Share Posted September 23, 2014 Cherry pie! Quote Link to post Share on other sites
DLT 1,646 Posted September 24, 2014 Author Report Share Posted September 24, 2014 About 90% today. Feeling much better. Still avoiding red meats and anything with high fructose corn syrup. Still drinking water like nuts and urinating like a German shepherd on a long walk. 2 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Eric Pate 478 Posted September 24, 2014 Report Share Posted September 24, 2014 Everything that has been stated is correct. Stay away from red meat, beer, pickled or rich foods, and peanut butter (thats a big one). My patients always gave glowing reports from cherry juice/extract. Yes, that crap hurts like hell. Indomethicin or allopurinol are most commonly prescribed. Like all medications, their efficacy is dependent on your particular body chemistry. 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
DLT 1,646 Posted September 24, 2014 Author Report Share Posted September 24, 2014 Thanks for the advice Distal. I hate having to accept it, but I'm getting older every day, and with that comes new issues. I should have known better regarding red meat since gout, kidney and bladder stones are prominant features in my family line. We make uric acid like crazy it seems. Too bad we can't sell it. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Eric Pate 478 Posted September 25, 2014 Report Share Posted September 25, 2014 Yeah, its all dependent on body chemistry, that quirky genetic luck-of-the-draw. Everybody is different and not everyone responds to the same thing. One more note about gout is that it occurs in "flareups", meaning that you can go a long time without symptoms but there is a sudden "tipping point" when the uric acid builds up to a certain level and triggers the inflammatory response. So just be aware that it probably is not truly gone when it stops hurting. Sucks I know, but thats just how it is. 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
well2160 42 Posted September 26, 2014 Report Share Posted September 26, 2014 1. NSAIDS are mainstay of treatment. Over the counter includes Ibuprofen which can go up to 800mg 3x/day. Naproxen up to 500 mg 2x daily. Indomethacin is prescription. Choose one and go with it. Always better with food and avoid this class if stomach issues or kidney issues. 2. For acute treatment we'll also often throw in some cholchicine which is no longer generic so costs a fortune but works well for acute flairs. Here and there steroids if someone doesn't tolerate NSAIDS. 3. If it's a recurrent problem which gout often is we usually check a uric acid level between flairs and then treat with daily allopurinol adjusting the dose to reduce the uric acid level to 6.0 or less. Allopurinol can however prolong a flare so it is usually stopped during flares but used to try to prevent them. 4. Diagnosis is often just by location and looking at it but definite diagnosis requires sticking a needle in the affected joint and sending the fluid in where as previously mentioned the specific type of crystals are seen. Sometimes it tricky to know if the red inflamed sore joint is gout or could be a septic (infected) joint. 5. I don't personally know about the cherry stuff since I've never read or tried it but the rest of the diet advice mentioned above is spot on. Good Luck! 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
DLT 1,646 Posted September 26, 2014 Author Report Share Posted September 26, 2014 Picked up some cran/cherry last night. Gonna try it later today. Still doing the water and avoiding the hfc syrups. Minor lingering pain now. Working more on getting my full range of motion back. I will say that not drinking soda all week has really tamed down my frequent heartburn considerably. I think I'll stick to water permanently. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
JESS1344 508 Posted September 26, 2014 Report Share Posted September 26, 2014 DLT, MAKE SURE YOU READ THE LIST OF INGREDIENTS ON WHATEVER JUICE YOU BUY, AS A LOT OF THEM DO CONTAIN HFC SYRUP. I'M NOT ENTIRELY SURE, BUT I'M THINKING THAT HFC CAN HIDE BEHIND THE RATHER BROAD TERM OF "NATURAL FLAVORS". ANYONE OUT THERE WITH THE KNOWLEDGE TO CONFIRM/DENY? JESS Quote Link to post Share on other sites
storm6490 2,768 Posted September 26, 2014 Report Share Posted September 26, 2014 knudsens also has concentrates. The cost will freak you out but it goes a long way mixed in with your own water. http://www.rwknudsenfamily.com/products/concentrates/black-cherry handy size Quote Link to post Share on other sites
DLT 1,646 Posted September 27, 2014 Author Report Share Posted September 27, 2014 Trust me, I'm reading the labels and specifically looking for hfc syrup. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
JESS1344 508 Posted September 27, 2014 Report Share Posted September 27, 2014 (edited) GUYS, MADE A CHOW-RUN TO W-MART ABOUT 0400 THIS MORNING, AND BROUGHT BACK A COUPLE OF EXEMPLARS: THE INGREDIENTS. NOTE CANE SUGAR, NO HFC HERE. I RECOMMEND A CAN, EVERY OTHER DAY, FOR A COUPLE OF WEEKS, BARRING ANY BAD GASTRO ISSUES (READ: THE POOPS). $2.88 PER CAN. JESS1344 Edited September 27, 2014 by JESS1344 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
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