expeditionx 1 Posted February 3, 2006 Report Share Posted February 3, 2006 Someone on another weapons site has developed a 12 gauge out of a .50 BMG cartridge. He used a Savage 210 Bolt action with a custom long heavy barrel and a heavy stock The new cartridge is a .50 BMG that has the neck stretched out. He has tried Dixie Terminator 730 gr slugs out to 2700 fps. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
HunterGren 0 Posted February 3, 2006 Report Share Posted February 3, 2006 Is the barrel rifled? I wonder if it would still be considered a shotgun or if it goes into dd status? Its a pretty neat idea, how about a double barreled pistol for that round Quote Link to post Share on other sites
expeditionx 1 Posted February 3, 2006 Author Report Share Posted February 3, 2006 (edited) Is the barrel rifled? I wonder if it would still be considered a shotgun or if it goes into dd status? Its a pretty neat idea, how about a double barreled pistol for that round Yep he used a custom made heavy rifled barrel. From previous posted messages, I have gathered that a DD would have to be ruled by the ATF according to some unsporting reason. A .700 nitro is shot out of a rifled barrel and is over the .50 caliber bore limit, but is allowed because it is not threatening enough to the gun regulators. This cartridge has a massive price advantage over a factory .700 nitro that can sell for up to $100 a round. The price of a .700 nitro I read about in a magazine article based on elephant guns. Also .700 nitro guns made by Holland and Holland can sell for $50,000 on up. I have seen the picture at the accurate loading website of a bolt action custom .700 that was built on a 50 BMG single shot action. http://www.accuratereloading.com/700ne.html The new extended 12 gauge cartridge has a bore size advantage of .73 compared to .700 and has kinetic energy levels up to around 12,000 lb which roughly matches the energy levels of the nitro round Edited February 3, 2006 by expeditionx Quote Link to post Share on other sites
AegisDei 2 Posted February 3, 2006 Report Share Posted February 3, 2006 Umm...anyone else notice there's not a muzzle brake on that gun? How do you shoot it? Just accept the fact that you're gonna break a shoulder/collar bone? Quote Link to post Share on other sites
expeditionx 1 Posted February 3, 2006 Author Report Share Posted February 3, 2006 Umm...anyone else notice there's not a muzzle brake on that gun? How do you shoot it? Just accept the fact that you're gonna break a shoulder/collar bone? I asked the guy that made that gun the same thing your asking. He says it weighs 20 something pounds and its manageable even at 2700 fps with 700 grain loads. He also said the accuracy is really good. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
expeditionx 1 Posted February 3, 2006 Author Report Share Posted February 3, 2006 I would love to see what the Hornady 300 grain SST plastic tip slug could speed out at from that case. Possibly at near 4000 fps. Some guy on the Hornady website wrote in the testimonies about dropping a deer at over 180 yards with a standard sst 2000 fps loading. He stated the deer just dropped in its tracks at that distance. A 4000 fps 300 grain slug should have quite a bit more range for a fairly flat shooting combination. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
G O B 3,516 Posted February 4, 2006 Report Share Posted February 4, 2006 (edited) Barret has come out with a "california legal" .416 Barret. A .50 bmg case necked down to .416! The ,12ga wildcat will make the perfect companion! We had an old thread on belt-fed .12's and I was looking at a .50 bmg round and a .12ga round. The .50BMG case with it's rebated rim is a natural for a belt feed! Make a nifty mini-gun too! The BIG 3. .50BMG, .416 Barret, .12ga wildcat! G O B Edited February 4, 2006 by G O B Quote Link to post Share on other sites
ForGreatJustice 1 Posted February 4, 2006 Report Share Posted February 4, 2006 I give it what...3 weeks before someone links a bunch of these together and finagles a 12ga barrel onto Ma Deuce! Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Tokageko 8 Posted February 4, 2006 Report Share Posted February 4, 2006 Cut it back shorter, headspace on the case mouth, and everything will be good.... Quote Link to post Share on other sites
DaGroaner 2 Posted February 4, 2006 Report Share Posted February 4, 2006 --> QUOTE(G O B @ Feb 3 2006, 05:41 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}> Barret has come out with a "california legal" .416 Barret. A .50 bmg case necked down to .416! The ,12ga wildcat will make the perfect companion! We had an old thread on belt-fed .12's and I was looking at a .50 bmg round and a .12ga round. The .50BMG case with it's rebated rim is a natural for a belt feed! Make a nifty mini-gun too! The BIG 3. .50BMG, .416 Barret, .12ga wildcat! G O B Yeah I about fell outta my chair LMMFAO@the Idiot's Republik of Kalifornia after reading about the .416 Barret. I love that kind of spite! That's what the dumasses get for banning a rifle cartridge. If I ever get a woody for an AR I'll buy one of their M468s. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
expeditionx 1 Posted February 5, 2006 Author Report Share Posted February 5, 2006 (edited) Guy that developed the monster 12 gauge gun with his buddies just posted about how one of them got a 327 gr Barnes sabot up to 3900 fps. Something like that in combat might cause an enemy soldier's upper torso to explode. Heres a video of a comparison of what might happen to a enemy combatant when hit with something moving that fast. The increased weight of a projectile moving that fast would do the same proportionately to a larger target. 50 grains makes prairy dog explode. 300 to 350 grains could do the same to a human. torso. http://www.dogbegone.com/video/opening1.wmv Were talking major carnage. Edited February 5, 2006 by expeditionx Quote Link to post Share on other sites
jon elia 0 Posted February 5, 2006 Report Share Posted February 5, 2006 i can post a pic later but i've got some 1440 grain hollowpoints that are loaded in rienforced solid brass shells. they arent as long, but i shot one of the five thru my 500 with a cylinder bore and it was a bad man Quote Link to post Share on other sites
expeditionx 1 Posted February 5, 2006 Author Report Share Posted February 5, 2006 i can post a pic later but i've got some 1440 grain hollowpoints that are loaded in rienforced solid brass shells. they arent as long, but i shot one of the five thru my 500 with a cylinder bore and it was a bad man Are those subsonic rifled slugs. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
IndyArms 10,186 Posted February 6, 2006 Report Share Posted February 6, 2006 1440 grain hollowpoint??? Dude thats like 3.29 OUNCES!!!! where did ya find something like that?!?!?!? Quote Link to post Share on other sites
cscharlie 107 Posted February 6, 2006 Report Share Posted February 6, 2006 Damb! I've tinkered with some 3.5" slugs out of a Moss. 835, but I'm not getting any where near what these guys are! I wonder what kind of effective range it would be capable of. Can you send me a link to their posts so I can follow their progress? Thanks for sharing. cs Quote Link to post Share on other sites
expeditionx 1 Posted February 6, 2006 Author Report Share Posted February 6, 2006 Damb! I've tinkered with some 3.5" slugs out of a Moss. 835, but I'm not getting any where near what these guys are! I wonder what kind of effective range it would be capable of. Can you send me a link to their posts so I can follow their progress? Thanks for sharing. cs http://www.thefiringline.com/forums/showthread.php?t=197214 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
scoutjoe 276 Posted February 6, 2006 Report Share Posted February 6, 2006 Damb! I've tinkered with some 3.5" slugs out of a Moss. 835, but I'm not getting any where near what these guys are! I wonder what kind of effective range it would be capable of. Can you send me a link to their posts so I can follow their progress? Thanks for sharing. cs tell me about it..here i thought i was doing good shootin 3 1/2" slugs out of the 10 gauge....apperently we're in the T-ball league compared to those guys Quote Link to post Share on other sites
BattleRifleG3 16 Posted February 7, 2006 Report Share Posted February 7, 2006 Mind sharing which site this came from? I'm quite interested. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
expeditionx 1 Posted February 7, 2006 Author Report Share Posted February 7, 2006 Mind sharing which site this came from? I'm quite interested. http://www.thefiringline.com/forums/showthread.php?t=197214 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
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