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#1 deadeye

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Posted 01 December 2014 - 02:42 PM

http://www.ebay.com/...=item51c691964b

 

Looking to try out some of the slugs made from this mold before I go out and buy one.   Do they fly better than the lee slugs.


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Posted 21 January 2015 - 01:43 AM

Bump.
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Posted 21 January 2015 - 03:43 AM

Consensus is yes.  Also they cast heavier than claimed. They fit perfectly inside 1 1/8 oz wads without spacers too. 

 

He's got a whole series on these: 

 


I was given a few, from a friend with the mold but haven't had a chance to  load and test them yet. They aren't cast as well as I would like though.


skip to the last 30 seconds to see his 50 yd group.



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Posted 21 January 2015 - 09:41 AM

They shoot well  we have shot a bunch of them.



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Posted 21 January 2015 - 12:17 PM

They shoot well  we have shot a bunch of them.

 

What groups sizes are you getting? Also, what wad, etc. have you had the best results with.



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Posted 21 January 2015 - 12:24 PM

Loaded  in win aa hulls , whats left of the bag of 1000 wads out in storage so not sure of the wad 

Powder was red dot

Loaded on an antique ponsness warren progressive press

 

4 or 5 inch groups at 100.....some a little better some a little worse


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Posted 21 January 2015 - 01:37 PM

Sounds decent. I assume that was smoothbore?



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Posted 21 January 2015 - 02:05 PM

Thanks. My Lee mould broke so it looks like I will be getting one
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Posted 21 January 2015 - 02:06 PM

Sounds decent. I assume that was smoothbore?

Tac-12 MKA and vepr all smooth


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Posted 21 January 2015 - 02:10 PM

If you figure out what wad that was and how much powder, I'd appreciate it. Most people I've seen claim 1-2" better groups than that with that slug. Still better than lee though.



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Posted 21 January 2015 - 02:15 PM

I dont exaggerate 



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Posted 21 January 2015 - 07:39 PM

I was not implying that you did. I was saying your groups were better, so it is worth knowing what components you were using. The wad tends to make a big difference with the home brew slugs.



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Posted 21 January 2015 - 09:03 PM

I was not implying that you did. I was saying your groups were better, so it is worth knowing what components you were using. The wad tends to make a big difference with the home brew slugs.

And I was thinking others claimed better groups than what I got.

 

A very clean bore and a concentric choke have as much to do with groups as anything



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Posted 21 January 2015 - 09:18 PM

Oh- i reread my post #10 above. I said better, where I meant "worse." I will fix that now. I meant to say that yours were better.

 

I am sure there is someone out there claiming MOA accuracy with his secret sauce smoothbore ammo. You've never struck me as that sort.

 

My experience seems to track with the averages reported on a slug shooter's forum. From what I could tell, there were people doing a lot of work on each slug not doing appreciably better than more common methods. Without a rifled bore, or slugs that swage to control concentricity such as the factory fosters and brenekes, most people seem to be in the 6-9" group size with their best hand loads. I haven't done enough paper shooting to make claims yet, but informal shooting seems to show my loads on the good side of  average. 

 

So if you are getting 4-5" where I am getting ~6", I figure you are doing something worth trying out.



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Posted 21 January 2015 - 09:45 PM

Im not doing any magic..Im using what ever bushing that was in the powder measure when I got the old press.

I think the wads are AA one oz shot wads.

I am casting from a couple pure lead bricks I had

 

We shoot at paper before multigun matches mostly to check zero on the optics.

 

A 12 inch or even a little larger plate at 100 is a normal type target in 3gun, so if I can reliably hit those Im good.

 

I will say chokes can make or break it, and I have had barrels that wouldnt hit the side of a barn, why I have no idea


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Posted 21 January 2015 - 10:03 PM

What is the preferred choke for slug shooting? Is a rifled choke worth it for a saiga? Slugs are my favorite ammo to play with. I like the big holes they make.
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Posted 21 January 2015 - 10:24 PM

I use custom manufactured Firebird chokes  in a LM cut  apx .715

 

tried a rifled choke with poor results



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Posted 23 January 2015 - 05:29 PM

Thanks for the i.d. info, etc. Jim.

 

Which rifled chokes? 

 

I've started a project a few months ago of tracking in a competitive way how slug loads do, but I host it on another website.

 

Frankly I am a bit surprised that you are using home made slugs at all. Most of the competitors seem to be using 7/8 oz breneke types from companies like Fiocci or Rio, from what I can tell. Obviously you've got a lot of first hand contact with those guys than me, so your perspective is already helpful.

 

Considering that the commercial stuff tends to have higher inherent accuracy than the best hand cast, and the fact that some good ones can be bought around $0.30 each by the flat, I would have expected that no serious competitors mess with anything else unless there is a market shortage. 

 

For broke guys like me, who like to be independant, making slugs efficiently for ~15 cents each make sense. It is encouraging to see that some of the big boys do too.



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Posted 23 January 2015 - 06:56 PM

I shoot commercial stuff mostly in matches.

 

I just loaded boo koo of these quite a while back when I had the time 


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