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So I just received my new bolt carrier from R and R targets and got to thinking. Probably more than half of the parts on a saiga 12 are already being made here in the US. Correct me if I am wrong and feel free to add to the list if I miss anything.

 

Part....................Manufacturer

Bolt carrier........... R and R targets

Bolt...................... R and R targets. Coming soon

Recoil assy...........R and R targets

Stock....................Many sources

Trigger................. Many sources

Trig grd................ Many sources

Barrel................... Icc mfg

Op rod.................. Several sources?

Piston and plug.....Many sources

Dust cover............ Maybe mod a regular ak47 cover?

Hand guard...........Many sources

 

Things we still need

 

Front Trunion

Rear trunion......... I think there maybe some for ak47 that would work.

Receiver

ejector block

Gas block

Gas tube

 

Anything I missed?

 

Correct me if I am wrong but that is just 5 parts away from having a complete parts kit. I can think of several manufactures that could make these parts easily. After building several kit guns this to me seems like a very doable venture. With the prices these guns bring now it seems like a nobrainer. It would probably cost at least $1000 if bought from all of these different places but the point is I think we are close. I know I am not the first to mention this but I can't help but dream of a us made s12.

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So I just received my new bolt carrier from R and R targets and got to thinking. Probably more than half of the parts on a saiga 12 are already being made here in the US. Correct me if I am wrong and feel free to add to the list if I miss anything.

 

Part....................Manufacturer

Bolt carrier........... R and R targets

Bolt...................... R and R targets. Coming soon

Recoil assy...........R and R targets

Stock....................Many sources

Trigger................. Many sources

Trig grd................ Many sources

Barrel................... Icc mfg

Op rod.................. Several sources?

Piston and plug.....Many sources

Dust cover............ Maybe mod a regular ak47 cover?

Hand guard...........Many sources

 

Things we still need

 

Front Trunion

Rear trunion......... I think there maybe some for ak47 that would work.

Receiver

ejector block

Gas block

Gas tube

 

Anything I missed?

 

Correct me if I am wrong but that is just 5 parts away from having a complete parts kit. I can think of several manufactures that could make these parts easily. After building several kit guns this to me seems like a very doable venture. With the prices these guns bring now it seems like a nobrainer. It would probably cost at least $1000 if bought from all of these different places but the point is I think we are close. I know I am not the first to mention this but I can't help but dream of a us made s12.

 

Rear trunnion you can use standard AK trunnions, at least I did in my build

Receivers, 80% are US made

Ejector block ... some are made but low numbers

 

Gas block and gas tube ... I was under the impression that there were those US made with rails on top. Nothing that I've used, but I think that some are already here.

 

Yup, not worries about making Saiga in US, the main problem is cost/ volume. With bigger volume the cost should go down, but it won't happen overnight.

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So I just received my new bolt carrier from R and R targets and got to thinking. Probably more than half of the parts on a saiga 12 are already being made here in the US. Correct me if I am wrong and feel free to add to the list if I miss anything.

 

Part....................Manufacturer

Bolt carrier........... R and R targets

Bolt...................... R and R targets. Coming soon

Recoil assy...........R and R targets

Stock....................Many sources

Trigger................. Many sources

Trig grd................ Many sources

Barrel................... Icc mfg

Op rod.................. Several sources?

Piston and plug.....Many sources

Dust cover............ Maybe mod a regular ak47 cover?

Hand guard...........Many sources

 

Things we still need

 

Front Trunion

Rear trunion......... I think there maybe some for ak47 that would work.

Receiver

ejector block

Gas block

Gas tube

 

Anything I missed?

 

Correct me if I am wrong but that is just 5 parts away from having a complete parts kit. I can think of several manufactures that could make these parts easily. After building several kit guns this to me seems like a very doable venture. With the prices these guns bring now it seems like a nobrainer. It would probably cost at least $1000 if bought from all of these different places but the point is I think we are close. I know I am not the first to mention this but I can't help but dream of a us made s12.

 

Rear trunnion you can use standard AK trunnions, at least I did in my build

Receivers, 80% are US made

Ejector block ... some are made but low numbers

 

Gas block and gas tube ... I was under the impression that there were those US made with rails on top. Nothing that I've used, but I think that some are already here.

 

Yup, not worries about making Saiga in US, the main problem is cost/ volume. With bigger volume the cost should go down, but it won't happen overnight.

 

Who makes the 80 % receivers?

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Part....................Manufacturer
Bolt carrier........... R and R targets
Bolt...................... R and R targets. Coming soon
Recoil assy...........R and R targets + JTE
Stock....................Many sources
Trigger................. Many sources
Trig grd................ Many sources
Barrel................... Icc mfg + King Armory
Op rod.................. Several sources? -CGW for beefed up. Tapco known inadequate. Several other standard AK US parts.
Piston and plug.....Many sources - see below for plug comment. 
Dust cover............ Maybe mod a regular ak47 cover? Needs widened at the shoulder area. Possible to stretch, or cut down the middle and weld
Hand guard...........Many sources 

 

Front Trunion I believe CGW made some of these for their AOW version. Probably R&R too. There is another company that did AOW as well

Front sight Block -- Dinzag

Rear trunion......... Just about any for stamped AKM will  work. ~$17-26 many sources

 

Things we still need
 

Receiver- AK builder or Nodak could probably be contracted to do a run for little money.
ejector block - Very simple milling. Could be batched out to just about any machine shop.
Gas block - Could easily have 1/4 turn interrupted threads plug with autoplug type regulator, or dual stage  from scratch rated to 3" Or simply one piece with two sizes of poppets put in with twist lock and individual springs, and no Plug. (provided you use removable tube setup, made possible by Dinzag RSB)
Gas tube - If you are building from scratch, a plain tube could do, without the pressed in fluting.

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The pressed in fluting is the op rod guide. 

 

That is an easy part to make anyway. The tool works like a collet, the tube goes into the tool over a fluted mandrel and the tool is pressed, closing the collet crimping the flutes in. Then the fluted mandrel is pulled downward over a stripper and then ascends to allow the finished part to be removed and the next to be inserted.

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The pressed in fluting is the op rod guide. 

 

That is an easy part to make anyway. The tool works like a collet, the tube goes into the tool over a fluted mandrel and the tool is pressed, closing the collet crimping the flutes in. Then the fluted mandrel is pulled downward over a stripper and then ascends to allow the finished part to be removed and the next to be inserted.

 

 

Hey, you know something about stamping metal, you could make the receivers

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A person could have flats laser cut in mass from sheet , make some simple dies to bend the flats.

CSSPECS could do it in his sleep 

 

making the trunions barrel bolt and carriers along with other associated components is another matter.

 

It could be done and most likely will at some point.

During the AWB several companies were making AKs here....but from some imported parts

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