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It's no wonder the left keeps winning.   Every time the left attacks a group, anybody not part of that group just says "meh, not me".  I've been hearing gun owners and so-called "pro Second Amendmen

This ban doesn't "affect" me at all since I never use green tip.  Honestly it's crap.   But I am reminded of something written by a German Jew who was fortunate enough to survive the camps...   "F

Time for Congress to de-fund the BATFE. Give them a $0 budget.

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Two things.

 

1 - Not surprised in the least.  Because tyranny. 

 

2 - M855 isn't armor piercing.  It will pierce 3A soft armor but so will any rifle bullet.  If the standard for "armor piercing" "pistol ammunition" is any round ever chambered in a pistol that can defeat soft armor then better ban all rifle cartridges quick.

 

I am torn between rage and laughing because it's so stupid.

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Complete bullshit!

The BATF and Obama have NO authority to make law without congress.

If it is not clear to everyone at this point this criminal and this is exactly what he, is does not care about the law, American values or the Constitution. He unlike any past prez and some have been bad, needs to be tried for treason and openly not honoring the oath (ha,ha) that he took. The fact that the pussy repugs have done nothing because they are afraid of being called racists (really??) only means to me they are just as bad. FO time is just around the corner, I'm afraid.

M855 is a crummy projectile, does little damage and is not really AP unlike the 7n6 which is pretty nasty but is also totally NON-AP.

The criminal, liar and his racist top cop lost their ass on the gun control front. They even realize the guns are not going, so they are going after what the commie progressives have been telling them. Take the ammo, take the ammo!! You can have all the guns you want but with out ammo its a fancy club ergo, it useless----> disarmed. They will say the 2A says nothing about ammunition so they can have a fake argument but in reality it doesn't matter what the Bill of Rights says, they simply do as they please and get some shitbag judge to agree and the " living constitution" goes on and with the net neutrality crap they will shut down online/ interstate sales or apply some immensely high tax which will make it not worth it to purchase online.

These enemies of the people will never stop until the populace is totally defenseless. People have to understand this is the endpoint and wake the f*ck up.

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I was thinking of ordering another case of Wolf Gold so this seems like a good day to do that.

 

Another thousand rounds on the way.

 

Not "panic" but at this point it wouldn't surprise me to see fmj ammo imports cut off with a stroke of the pen.

 

EDIT:  Be sure to comment on the proposal at APAComments@atf.gov .   Keep the comments clean.  It may be tempting to "go off" on them but that will not do our case any good.

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Not "panic" but at this point it wouldn't surprise me to see fmj ammo imports cut off with a stroke of the pen.

 

Oh hell yeah, already happened with the Chinese stuff 20+ years ago and has that come back? Their angle will be steel bullet (bimetallic) and those can penetrate Chobham Armour. Surplus 7.62x54r is next. Edited by JAG
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So how true is this ringing now?

 

It's not about guns...

https://westernrifleshooters.wordpress.com/2007/07/05/walter-mittys-second-amendment/

 

Royce (Boston T. Party) remarked in one of his books to the effect that those that overly concern themselves with the actions of .gov do so because they have no stomach to do anything but comply.Yes there is danger in non-compliance, readily seen and understood by any man with something to lose. Yet the greater danger, and shame, is in obedience not resistance for in it we bind our unborn and young to slavery.

 

Just something to think on.

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I'm going to guess that this is a special little fuck you from the BATFE addressed to Sig. You want and arm brace so you can make a "pistol" when everyone is basically gonna use it to bypass NFA. Fine. Oh, and now you want to sue us for your "muzzle brake" that is a suppressor core/baffle stack? Fine. We'll just make this very uncomfortable for you by turning your consumers on you ala Oly. Have a nice day.

 

All that said, I still like Sig.

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I wrote a bunch complaining.

 

That said the complaining is less for me than others.. I have fired maybe a dozen rounds of green tip, almost all ammo I buy for .223 is either wolf or full brass.

 

However anything that limits the supply is bad.

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This ban doesn't "affect" me at all since I never use green tip.  Honestly it's crap.

 

But I am reminded of something written by a German Jew who was fortunate enough to survive the camps...

 

"First they came for the Socialists.  But I did not speak out.  Because I was not a Socialist..."

 

If we don't stand against the infringements of others, we will find ourselves short on allies when they infringe us.

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I was thinking of ordering another case of Wolf Gold so this seems like a good day to do that.

 

Another thousand rounds on the way.

Been thinking about picking some up for awhile.  Watched quantity in stock at SGAmmo steadily drop today so I went ahead and ordered a case.

 

Their quantity stocks reset.  Plenty available at a good price.

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Wolf gold is nonmagnetic.. No steel means not AP.

 

The whole thing is silly.. The justification is that you can hide a AR pistol in your pocket, or in your pants. Its simply not possible to do what they are saying.. Any garment that is hiding an AR pistol, is more a tent than a shirt. The whole reason for the law is that a criminal could pull a hidden pistol and shoot through the officers body armor, which is logically a concern if you have AP 9mm or similar.

 

Just need to adjust the law to read "for the purpose of this section 'handgun ammunition' shall mean, any round that can be fired by a pistol which feeds through the pistol grip."

Eliminate from view any externally fed pistols and the problem is solved. 7.62x39 is not a pistol round anymore, either is .308.

Also the reason they granted M855 an exemption was because it was available as a pistol. No exemption was given to 5.45x39 as no pistols existed until it was banned.

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I have no use for M855.  If I did I would have ordered some of that.

 

I'm not surprised to see Wolf Gold sold out at SGA.  It's the best ammo at the best price around (for 5.56).

 

I don't think this reaction is panic.  People aren't afraid that Wolf Gold is going to be banned tomorrow.  Although you'd have to be a fool not to consider the possibility that any imported ammo may be banned due to the bullshit "sporting purpose" qualification that changes every time the batfuckers feel like it.

 

I see this as a message.  The more you push us the more guns and ammo we buy.

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Wouldn't this only affect the importation of foreign M855 and not domestically produced ammunition?

Nope.  Importation, manufacture, sale, and transfer would all be banned.

 

Here is an explanation.

 

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The message will be loud and clear when supplies now in the hands of retailers in US are finally sold off. Those who bought it will hoard it, shoot it, or a combination of both. Then track prices on Gunbroker. It's only a matter of time. Remember how 7N6 has gone up since ATF acted?

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I think it's an important time to challenge the "sporting use" clauses of these laws. They assert that it's because of other specific provisions of the law but those definitions hinge on their asserted authority to prohibit unsporting firearms and ammo. Its that perceived authority that allows them to arbitrarily say it is no longer for a "sporting use" and allow them to prohibit it. That standard is unconstitutional when it interferes with constitutionally recognized "defensive use."

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I think the BATF is just trying to justify their existance.

 

See any criminals in the news lately killing police with green-tip loaded AR's?

 

From what I understand arrows defeat body armor easily.

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XM855 can be reloaded and reproduced easily by hand. Manufacturers will find a way to recreate the M855 load without calling it M855. If it is the steel core that bothers the gov, I would remind them that that steel core actually does less damage to tissue. I would much rather take an 855 round to a non vital point than many of the "sporting use" ammunition. It is the difference between passing though cleanly, or making a mess of things with fragmentation and expansion. All 5.56 is going to defeat body armor anyway minus plates so really what is the difference?

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XM855 can be reloaded and reproduced easily by hand. Manufacturers will find a way to recreate the M855 load without calling it M855. If it is the steel core that bothers the gov, I would remind them that that steel core actually does less damage to tissue. I would much rather take an 855 round to a non vital point than many of the "sporting use" ammunition. It is the difference between passing though cleanly, or making a mess of things with fragmentation and expansion. All 5.56 is going to defeat body armor anyway minus plates so really what is the difference?

It's stupid as hell. There is no logical point. It's an excuse to ban more shit. That's it.

 

Just like the FDA pounces on any opportunity to classify and ban a new intoxicating substance as soon as it's invented, the ATF will always find new way to justify its existence by straining to invent new crimes.

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