Rhodes1968 1,638 Posted March 10, 2015 Report Share Posted March 10, 2015 So I have to ask those guys, why aint you making sure this wont ever happen? We all know that answer I just like to make em uncomfortable. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Spartacus 1,619 Posted March 10, 2015 Report Share Posted March 10, 2015 (edited) Here's the PDF of the Grassley letter dated yesterday. I like how the letter states that the ATF has no authority to determine "sporting purposes" and to be banning ammo. Grassley letter to ATF regarding M855 Ammunition.pdf Edited March 10, 2015 by Spartacus Quote Link to post Share on other sites
ChileRelleno 7,071 Posted March 10, 2015 Report Share Posted March 10, 2015 There are so many methods they're using to attack the 2A. Repeated attempts at another AWB. Ammo price/availability. Banks refusing to do business with manufacturers/retailers. Banning lead ammo. Lead substitutes such as other metals/alloys become the primary component and thus qualify as armor piercing. UN Small Arms Treaty. And more. 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
XD45 7,124 Posted March 10, 2015 Report Share Posted March 10, 2015 Guns are bad! Say the tyrants. Baaa baaa baaa Guns are bad! Bleat the sheep. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
SHOTGUN MESIAH 855 Posted March 10, 2015 Report Share Posted March 10, 2015 Don't know if this has already been posted yet. http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2015/03/10/atf-guide-indicates-bullets-at-center-political-firestorm-already-banned/ Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Spartacus 1,619 Posted March 10, 2015 Report Share Posted March 10, 2015 (edited) . ETA: They are asking for cash of course, but I thought it was good that they are getting the word out and fighting it. Edited March 11, 2015 by Spartacus Quote Link to post Share on other sites
VR762Shooter 838 Posted March 10, 2015 Report Share Posted March 10, 2015 There are so many methods they're using to attack the 2A. Repeated attempts at another AWB. Ammo price/availability. Banks refusing to do business with manufacturers/retailers. Banning lead ammo. Lead substitutes such as other metals/alloys become the primary component and thus qualify as armor piercing. UN Small Arms Treaty. And more. Exactly, Chile. Ban the lead because lead is bad, then ban all the cartridges because the safe metals are deadly for police. Then all the liberals will have won and all the Monday morning quarterbacks who didn't step up when it was their ammo or their gun that was at risk won't have anyone to blame for it but themselves. We already watched the 7N6 lead to this attempted ban and they sure as hell won't pass up the next opportunity, you can guarantee it Quote Link to post Share on other sites
mancat 2,368 Posted March 11, 2015 Report Share Posted March 11, 2015 I still remember when people said that this couldn't possibly happen to M855, because there was an exemption for it and there was not one for 7N6. We see now how easily that can change. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
JohnnyE 81 Posted March 11, 2015 Report Share Posted March 11, 2015 (edited) I still remember when people said that this couldn't possibly happen to M855, because there was an exemption for it and there was not one for 7N6. We see now how easily that can change. It shouldn't have happened to 7N6 either. Under the 7N6 jacket is a core made of steel AND lead. In order to be armor piercing under law, the statute requires the core be comprised ENTIRELY of a combination of steel, tungsten, bronze, beryllium copper and/or depleted uranium. Lead ain't on the list, so by law, if it has lead in the core, it's not armor piercing ammo. Georgia Carry did a hell of a write up about the AP issue. It's at: http://gunssavelives.net/blog/gun-laws/georgia-gun-rights-group-tears-apart-atfs-proposed-m855-ban-with-their-comments/ Edited March 11, 2015 by JohnnyE Quote Link to post Share on other sites
poolingmyignorance 2,191 Posted March 12, 2015 Report Share Posted March 12, 2015 Well the second half reads "or has a diameter greater than 0.22, jacket weight in excess of 25% of the Core, and may be fired from a hand gun." 5.45mm= 0.214" therfore less than 0.22" 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
DLT 1,646 Posted March 12, 2015 Report Share Posted March 12, 2015 Well the second half reads "or has a diameter greater than 0.22, jacket weight in excess of 25% of the Core, and may be fired from a hand gun." 5.45mm= 0.214" therfore less than 0.22" Don't try using truth like this to prove anything to the idiot gun banners and grabbers. They can't handle the truth or reality. Remember, according to them, gun ownership is on the decline also, and the majority (greater than 90%) of Americans want stricter gun control. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Spartacus 1,619 Posted March 12, 2015 Report Share Posted March 12, 2015 Interesting comment from an ATF spokesperson.... "Last year, the ATF successfully banned Russian-made 7N6 bullets on the grounds they were armor-piercing. Some gun-rights groups objected, but that ruling stood. "We didn't put it out to comment," Seward noted." http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/wonkblog/wp/2015/03/10/how-angry-gun-owners-shouted-down-a-ban-on-armor-piercing-bullets/ With that statement, she seems to indicate that the problem this time was that they opened up the issue to public comment. Inferring that there wouldn't have been a problem if they just banned M855 the same way they did with 7N6. This shows how they think, and hints at their next moves..... under the radar bans with no public comment requested or accepted. Keep building the ammo forts. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Rhodes1968 1,638 Posted March 12, 2015 Report Share Posted March 12, 2015 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
XD45 7,124 Posted March 12, 2015 Report Share Posted March 12, 2015 Also telling is the fact that they consider the 7n6 ban a "success". Speaks very strongly to the "us vs them" mentality. 2 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
su16a 84 Posted March 12, 2015 Report Share Posted March 12, 2015 Don’t know if this was posted previously but I spotted it posted another forum. Reverse BATFE ban on import of 7n6 ammunition Quote Link to post Share on other sites
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