SmilinEd 364 Posted February 20, 2015 Report Share Posted February 20, 2015 (edited) Texas Family Doesn’t Understand Why Police Shot Man Pointing Gun at Them http://www.breitbart.com/texas/2015/02/19/texas-family-doesnt-understand-why-police-shot-man-pointing-gun-at-them/ HOUSTON, Texas – The family of a Texas man who allegedly pointed a gun at police after robbing and pistol-whipping another man, doesn’t understand why the police shot him. Danny Miguel Saul, a 29-year-old man from Tomball, Texas, is in the hospital after being shot by local police officers. The officers responded to a call about a robbery and assault. When Saul allegedly hid in the bushes with his gun and then pointed the gun at police, they fired at least eleven rounds. “I just want to know what happened with my brother, and the reason why he was shot 11 times,” said Saul’s brother A.J. Saul, according to a KHOU-11 report by Alice Barr. Capt. Rick Grassi with the Tomball Police Department responded, “The officer simply responded to someone’s bad choice, someone’s bad choice to point a gun at him. The officer is going to do, use a reasonable amount of force, [so] that he can go home to his wife and his kids.” Tomball police stated the officers received a 911 call to the apartment complex. The caller reported that Saul had robbed and pistol-whipped another man at the complex. When police arrived, Saul alleged ran into the bushes and hid. Memorial Herman Hospital officials reportedly told the family Saul was in critical condition and had been shot eleven times. Despite his wounds, Saul still struggled with police after being shot, according to witnesses. The family has not been allowed to see Saul because he is in police custody at the hospital. He has reportedly been in and out of surgery several times. One family member, A.J. Saul complained about the number of times they shot at the suspect. “That’s a lot of shots and to me that sounds like somebody’s trying to get killed with that many shots,” he said. “The witnesses advised that the officer gave him several commands to drop the gun, to come out of the bushes, to show him his hands,” said Grassi. “It wasn’t until the subject turned the weapon on the officer, that the officer used force.” A search by Breitbart Texas of Harris County court documents revealed that Saul has a record of prior criminal behavior. In 2006, Saul was sentenced to 20 days confinement for a misdemeanor assault on a family member. Just seven months ago, Saul was arrested and charged with misdemeanor count of unlawful possession of a firearm. Judge Larry Standley dismissed the charge after ordering the forfeiture of the weapon. He was released to his mother and ordered to be placed in the Harris County Psychiatric Center. Waller County also shows criminal conduct by Saul. In 2012, Saul was arrested for failure to identify or giving false/fictitious information to police. He was convicted and sentenced to four days in jail. Saul is now charged with felony aggravated robbery with a firearm, and two felony counts of aggravated assault with a firearm against a public servant. This case will be adjudicated by Judge Maria Jackson in the 339th District Court. Following standard procedure, the Tomball police officer remains on administrative leave pending the outcome of the investigation. Bob Price is a senior political news contributor for Breitbart Texas and a member of the original Breitbart Texas team. Follow him on Twitter @BobPriceBBTX. Danny Miguel Saul – Dismissal of Weapns Charge Edited February 20, 2015 by SmilinEd Quote Link to post Share on other sites
BigChongus 765 Posted February 20, 2015 Report Share Posted February 20, 2015 Sounds like a mag problem. 3 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
D.C.MORRISON 494 Posted February 20, 2015 Report Share Posted February 20, 2015 The policeman clearly needs remedial training. The perp is still alive. Even after eleven hits. 7 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
ChileRelleno 7,071 Posted February 20, 2015 Report Share Posted February 20, 2015 Why waste taxpayer dollars trying to keep him alive? Just to spend money more on trial, confinement, psychiatric treatment and etc. Madness I tell ya, absolute lunacy. 3 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
sobrenegade 795 Posted February 20, 2015 Report Share Posted February 20, 2015 They need to go back to .45s, wouldn't take that many and saved an ambulance ride. 3 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
theorangeplanet 968 Posted February 20, 2015 Report Share Posted February 20, 2015 They need to go back to .45s, wouldn't take that many and saved an ambulance ride. http://www.policeone.com/police-heroes/articles/6199620-Why-one-cop-carries-145-rounds-of-ammo-on-the-job/ 2 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Sim_Player 1,939 Posted February 20, 2015 Report Share Posted February 20, 2015 (edited) Caliber? Shot eleven times and he survived? It sounds like they are still using 9mm. Another vote for .40 or .45 caliber (my carry). Edited February 20, 2015 by Sim_Player Quote Link to post Share on other sites
DLT 1,646 Posted February 20, 2015 Report Share Posted February 20, 2015 I too vote on the 45. Would solve many problems. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Arik 565 Posted February 20, 2015 Report Share Posted February 20, 2015 Yea 45! That will work! NOT!! Guy shot 14 times with a 45 http://www.policeone...mmo-on-the-job/ I believe in MN a cop got into a firefight at a mall. Cop was shot 7 times with a 45 including once in the head. He killed the perp with a 9 to the head. Cop is still alive and on duty. Lets not pretend 45 is some magical bullet 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
james lambert 3,059 Posted February 20, 2015 Report Share Posted February 20, 2015 I carry a 45 shot placement is the most important aspect Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Sim_Player 1,939 Posted February 20, 2015 Report Share Posted February 20, 2015 (edited) Edited February 20, 2015 by Sim_Player Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Rhodes1968 1,638 Posted February 20, 2015 Report Share Posted February 20, 2015 Sometimes it just happens. Just like one hit from a 22LR kills just all depends on where the shots pass. Of course getting some serious medical care quickly doesnt hurt. Case in point: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Samuel_Whittemore Tough man 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
THE NEW GUY 113 Posted February 20, 2015 Report Share Posted February 20, 2015 I believe the officer panicked under fire !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! That is saying it nicely I don't think I would have to shoot him 11 times with my Glock17 and 9 mm hornadys . he must be selling his allotment of practice ammo on line . Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Rhodes1968 1,638 Posted February 20, 2015 Report Share Posted February 20, 2015 (edited) A sudden adrenalin dump does not improve marksmanship. Kicks it right in the face. It takes some very specific training and or experience to retain a steady hand in a sudden combat situation. That peaceful serene range time just wont hack it, very little does in fact. Edited February 20, 2015 by Rhodes1968 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Gaddis 1,689 Posted February 21, 2015 Report Share Posted February 21, 2015 "Put down that bottle of Tequila and gato and come out, Senior Miguel, or I will be forced to come in and get you." "This I swear will be your last warning or my name isn't police super lieutenant Zorro." Personally, I want to know what the family thought would happen when the Po-lice finally did show up and have a gun pointed at them? Quote Link to post Share on other sites
scattergun10 125 Posted February 21, 2015 Report Share Posted February 21, 2015 They need to go back to .45s, wouldn't take that many and saved an ambulance ride. Or 10mm. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
XD45 7,124 Posted February 21, 2015 Report Share Posted February 21, 2015 http://www.breitbart.com/texas/2015/02/19/texas-family-doesnt-understand-why-police-shot-man-pointing-gun-at-them/ When Saul allegedly hid in the bushes with his gun and then pointed the gun at police, they fired at least eleven rounds. That doesn't mean he was hit 11 times. Just because the idiot says his brother was shot 11 times doesn't mean 11 bullets hit him. The average number of bullets expended in a gunfight is almost 20 (last statistic I saw) but the average number of hits was less than 2. If I recall correctly that only includes gunfights where somebody was actually hit. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Ronin38 2,117 Posted February 21, 2015 Report Share Posted February 21, 2015 "Officer, would you say you used excessive force?" "Lady, I used everything I had!" Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Capt Nemo 882 Posted February 21, 2015 Report Share Posted February 21, 2015 A sudden adrenalin dump does not improve marksmanship. Kicks it right in the face. It takes some very specific training and or experience to retain a steady hand in a sudden combat situation. That peaceful serene range time just wont hack it, very little does in fact. Nothing like a rabid coyote comming down the trail toward you on the range. Quality range time when all you have ready is target loads! Quote Link to post Share on other sites
termite 463 Posted February 21, 2015 Report Share Posted February 21, 2015 This a Speer 230gr., GDHP, not bad for only about 900 fps Quote Link to post Share on other sites
D.C.MORRISON 494 Posted February 21, 2015 Report Share Posted February 21, 2015 The brother was either miss quoted in the article or he exaggerated. My squad leader in the military police had served at fort Ord Cali. He answered a call were a solider was going to clean a .22 rifle and shot his wife in the chest. He said he found her on the kitchen floor with a sucking lung wound. He covered the wound with a piece of plastic, treated for shock and talked to her while waiting for the ambu. She died of shock before the medics arrived. If you have it in your mind that if you are ever shot, you will die. Then most likely your own mind will kill you. 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Sim_Player 1,939 Posted February 21, 2015 Report Share Posted February 21, 2015 (edited) I've been in shock 5 times in my 43 years. Near suffocation, pneumothorax, two broken ankles (same ankle), and a nail-gun nail (#6) in my hand. Sick to your stomach, pale, eyes diluated, and extremely uncomfortable. Not fun! I'm surprised that she died from shock alone. Edited February 21, 2015 by Sim_Player Quote Link to post Share on other sites
gunfun 3,931 Posted February 21, 2015 Report Share Posted February 21, 2015 You're bad luck! Quote Link to post Share on other sites
CruisinTx2 49 Posted February 21, 2015 Report Share Posted February 21, 2015 really? after reading the article linked to and being able to see multiple videos on the Internet about the myths of stopping power, some of you still believe a larger caliber would have made a difference? Wow---just---wow. 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
patriot 7,197 Posted February 21, 2015 Report Share Posted February 21, 2015 12GA FTW! 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
XD45 7,124 Posted February 21, 2015 Report Share Posted February 21, 2015 If we're going to argue caliber again, let's do AK vs AR. Cause if you're gonna beat a dead horse, might as well beat the deadest horse. 2 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
THE NEW GUY 113 Posted February 21, 2015 Report Share Posted February 21, 2015 Ok I will play ptr -91 pistol in 308 win or Yugo m pap both loaded with hornady sst , and put a laser on both that will solve the problem ! That wat they get 20 or 30 rounds and all they gotta do is put the little dot on what they want to shoot. I win Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Rhodes1968 1,638 Posted February 21, 2015 Report Share Posted February 21, 2015 A sudden adrenalin dump does not improve marksmanship. Kicks it right in the face. It takes some very specific training and or experience to retain a steady hand in a sudden combat situation. That peaceful serene range time just wont hack it, very little does in fact. Nothing like a rabid coyote comming down the trail toward you on the range. Quality range time when all you have ready is target loads! Heh how did you arrange that? Apparently the target loads did the job. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
gunfun 3,931 Posted February 22, 2015 Report Share Posted February 22, 2015 If we're going to argue caliber again, let's do AK vs AR. Cause if you're gonna beat a dead horse, might as well beat the deadest horse. By that point it is already ALPO, so maybe the expression should be "kicking the can". Quote Link to post Share on other sites
G O B 3,516 Posted February 22, 2015 Report Share Posted February 22, 2015 30 MM just to be on the safe side. 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
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