JDeko 792 Posted February 26, 2015 Report Share Posted February 26, 2015 I'm FINALLY close to getting my wood furniture for my Saiga but I'm considering getting a folding buttstock. However the one I can most easily folds right thus making it impossible to use the shotgun in a pinch. I'm wondering is there are any inexpensive left-folding options that don't require chopping up the back end of the gun. Do I have any good choices? Quote Link to post Share on other sites
poolingmyignorance 2,191 Posted February 27, 2015 Report Share Posted February 27, 2015 Bonesteel arm makes a left folder, thats compatable with the tang. 2 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
WhiskeyMinion 300 Posted February 27, 2015 Report Share Posted February 27, 2015 (edited) I know this is about left side folders but...Personally I like the Romanian/E. German wire folders.They fold to right but you can still fire the gun & activate the safety when the stock is folded.Since it folds to the right it also clears side mounted optics. It also uses stock tang Edited February 27, 2015 by WhiskeyMinion Quote Link to post Share on other sites
JDeko 792 Posted February 27, 2015 Author Report Share Posted February 27, 2015 Thank both of you, they are both very good options ad I think the East German one fits the bill well too. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
ElHuron 14 Posted February 27, 2015 Report Share Posted February 27, 2015 (edited) Have you considered an external adapter block with a hinge? Can be a bit pricey depending on the stock used. Theres also the Magpul Zhukov stock. Folds to the right BUT, clears the charging handle. Not avaliable yet but i dont see why it wouldnt fit the Saiga 12. Edited February 27, 2015 by ElHuron Quote Link to post Share on other sites
JDeko 792 Posted February 27, 2015 Author Report Share Posted February 27, 2015 How easy are those external blocks to install? Quote Link to post Share on other sites
ElHuron 14 Posted February 27, 2015 Report Share Posted February 27, 2015 Bolt on, no cutting of tang required. Although i will say having seen a friends rifle with one on it does look a bit out of place sticking out the back. Not my picture: Quote Link to post Share on other sites
JDeko 792 Posted February 27, 2015 Author Report Share Posted February 27, 2015 I'm seeing that left-folders are a bit expensive, and even a stationary skeleton stock costs a fair bit and that isn't including the mounting block. Is this right-folding stock catastrophically awful that its so affordable? Quote Link to post Share on other sites
ElHuron 14 Posted February 28, 2015 Report Share Posted February 28, 2015 I cant really comment on it having never seen or used one but if you search for some images of it mounted it will give you an idea of how it "sits" on the gun, almost blocking the trigger for a right handed person. Also im not 100% sure but it looks like its plastic. You get what you pay for but YMMV. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
JoeAK 337 Posted February 28, 2015 Report Share Posted February 28, 2015 Avoid the tapco, they're a bit wobbly, and they break easy. (personal experience) 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
JDeko 792 Posted February 28, 2015 Author Report Share Posted February 28, 2015 Even the new ones with the metal clasp instead of plastic? Quote Link to post Share on other sites
gunfun 3,931 Posted March 1, 2015 Report Share Posted March 1, 2015 Why not a left foldy wood one? Like mine or AZG's old one? http://forum.saiga-12.com/index.php?/topic/72311-guide-comfortable-wood-goodness-with-a-modern-touch/ 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
JDeko 792 Posted March 1, 2015 Author Report Share Posted March 1, 2015 I really like the look of skeleton metal stocks though. Since the taco one was skeleton, and most folders are, I just thought of it as looking for a folding stock. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
gunfun 3,931 Posted March 1, 2015 Report Share Posted March 1, 2015 I'm seeing that left-folders are a bit expensive, and even a stationary skeleton stock costs a fair bit and that isn't including the mounting block. Is this right-folding stock catastrophically awful that its so affordable? That's about the size of it. They are cheap, flimsy and flexy. Some people have them and like them. Many get them and are looking to trade them out shortly thereafter. They also are small and hard in the back and make for an awful cheek weld. Another option to consider is the polish Beryl type stocks. google it. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
evlblkwpnz 3,418 Posted March 2, 2015 Report Share Posted March 2, 2015 I'm seeing that left-folders are a bit expensive, and even a stationary skeleton stock costs a fair bit and that isn't including the mounting block. Is this right-folding stock catastrophically awful that its so affordable? I had a push button Romanian right folder on my first S12. They bring the pain. Not worth bothering with, IMO. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
JDeko 792 Posted March 2, 2015 Author Report Share Posted March 2, 2015 Bring the pain? As in the recoil hurts more with one of those stocks? Quote Link to post Share on other sites
gunfun 3,931 Posted March 2, 2015 Report Share Posted March 2, 2015 It leaves you with a small piece of steel to spread the force on, no cheek weld, and not much mass to soak up recoil. Like the Ak100 series triangle. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
JDeko 792 Posted March 2, 2015 Author Report Share Posted March 2, 2015 Right now I have the Legion SVD factory stock [doing the FCG conversion for the wood parts and 922r]. Would it be worse than the poly SVD one? Quote Link to post Share on other sites
jimdigriz 580 Posted March 2, 2015 Report Share Posted March 2, 2015 (edited) Thank both of you, they are both very good options ad I think the East German one fits the bill well too. Careful with the East German folders. My experience was that the mechanism that they use is not compatible with the Saiga because of the size of the opening in the back of the receiver. Best to stick to Romanian folders if you want this type of stock. I'm using a Bonesteel Arms left side folder right now. With CTR AR stock, it is only two ounces heavier than a Romanian folder and much more comfortable. Bring the pain? As in the recoil hurts more with one of those stocks? It helps to wrap them with paracord. I have only used them on smaller caliber AKs though. I imagine they will not be too comfortable on the Saiga 12. Edited March 2, 2015 by Jim Digriz Quote Link to post Share on other sites
evlblkwpnz 3,418 Posted March 2, 2015 Report Share Posted March 2, 2015 Bring the pain? As in the recoil hurts more with one of those stocks? Vertically, the contact surface is very small. They are ridiculous on an S12 in terms of pain compared to other stocks. If you don't shoot much during each session it may be tolerable. Put on on there and fire 100 rounds or more in a session, you will understand. I am usually in the 400+ range per session and there is no way I could make it through it unscathed with a wire stock. I can't speak for the lever type wire folders, but the push buttons will sometimes unlock under recoil. It leaves you with a small piece of steel to spread the force on, no cheek weld, and not much mass to soak up recoil. Like the Ak100 series triangle. The AK100 is not nearly as bad and the comb is at the correct height like a WARSAW stock. There is much more vertical contact and the cheek weld is far better on the AK100 than the wire stocks. Trust me, I would be running one of the wire stocks if it was directly comparable to the AK100 as a means of saving money and effort, but they are worlds apart. AK100 can be rough if you are not leaning forward adequately to make the butt sit flat on the chest, collar bone, or shoulder. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
gunfun 3,931 Posted March 2, 2015 Report Share Posted March 2, 2015 I like them fine on rifles. I like my bulgy furniture too, with the kickeez stuff on the back, but they would be a lot better if the 'toe' wend about an inch lower keeping the rest the same. It wouldn't look as nice, but function should generally trump form. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
JDeko 792 Posted March 3, 2015 Author Report Share Posted March 3, 2015 Maybe its for the best since I'm paying a fair bit for my STG47 furniture from Ironwood for my Saiga. I really love the foregrips and the pistol grip but that electric guitar stock sometimes looks pretty silly to me. But being as the wire stocks will tear me up with the kick from a 12ga it more or less forces my hand to be less choosy. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
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