haugpatr 972 Posted March 31, 2015 Report Share Posted March 31, 2015 Jdecco, go to the pit in lapeer, free, outdoors and bring your own targets, Thanks, its about 90min from my house so I'll have to make it worth the $20~ of gas to go there but if I make a day of it I could come out ahead. More than anything I'm happy to hear from someone who knows my area. There are group shoots at the pit. AKfiles guys go there a few times a year and there used to be a pumpkin shoot there the first weekend after Halloween, there is a thread on here somewhere about the pumpkin shoot. Wow, I might have to key into these shoots so I might get the chance to talk with people who know way more about such things than I do. Shooting pumpkins sounds pretty fun as well but I might not be able to do that as it sounds like Youmacon [i'm a nerd as well as a gun nut] might be the same weekend. Though if it were the week after that'd be a hell of a fortnight. Looks like a few weeks from now a group is going to the pit in Lapeer. http://www.akfiles.com/forums/showthread.php?t=216418&page=3 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
corbin 621 Posted March 31, 2015 Report Share Posted March 31, 2015 Nice. the 19th 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
JDeko 792 Posted March 31, 2015 Author Report Share Posted March 31, 2015 I'll try to make that one but I'll be sure to stay tuned for once I'm in a better place financially. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Redrum4u 125 Posted March 31, 2015 Report Share Posted March 31, 2015 I find it's actually nice the less people are there. Less hot brass hitting you. lol 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
JDeko 792 Posted March 31, 2015 Author Report Share Posted March 31, 2015 Yeah, getting hit with hot brass does sound pretty unpleasant. How many people normally show up? Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Redrum4u 125 Posted March 31, 2015 Report Share Posted March 31, 2015 Here is an idea what a typical Saturday looks like 2 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
RED333 1,025 Posted April 1, 2015 Report Share Posted April 1, 2015 Someone say pumpkin shoot? This was ours 2 years ago Shot with a G23 40 cal 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
RED333 1,025 Posted April 1, 2015 Report Share Posted April 1, 2015 Casting lead is fun, somewhat easy and very rewarding, however it will hurt you. 700*F lead will burn through any thing you wear if it pools. Just a drop will peal the skin off and leave a scar. Give liquid lead more respect than you think it needs and you can make some good looking boolits. Lee mold 40 S&W ACE 300 BLK 230 gr Powder coated boolits of diff calibers MiHec mold 40 S&W and a few of the boolits and a lot of the boolits As I said, treat hot lead with respect and you can shoot for days for little money, after a bit. 3 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
gunfun 3,931 Posted April 1, 2015 Report Share Posted April 1, 2015 That's a nice looking 300 BO bullet you've got Red. I still have a good supply of .40 bullets left from your mold. MiHec molds are lovely too. If they are magma caster compatable, I expect to get some. Without those silly obsolete grease grooves though. & Bevel based while we are at it. Casting lead is fun, somewhat easy and very rewarding, however it will hurt you. 700*F lead will burn through any thing you wear if it pools. Just a drop will peal the skin off and leave a scar. Give liquid lead more respect than you think it needs and you can make some good looking boolits. That's why I like to cast closer to 800*f. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
XdamagedX 248 Posted April 1, 2015 Report Share Posted April 1, 2015 Here is an idea what a typical Saturday looks like also the reason I only go during the week Quote Link to post Share on other sites
RED333 1,025 Posted April 2, 2015 Report Share Posted April 2, 2015 That's a nice looking 300 BO bullet you've got Red. I still have a good supply of .40 bullets left from your mold. MiHec molds are lovely too. If they are magma caster compatable, I expect to get some. Without those silly obsolete grease grooves though. & Bevel based while we are at it. There is a group buy on Castboolits for a 40 cal with out groves. http://castboolits.gunloads.com/showthread.php?264983-MiHec-Oreo-10mm-WFN-220gr-190gr-Optional-no-lube-groove-for-powder-coat 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
gunfun 3,931 Posted April 2, 2015 Report Share Posted April 2, 2015 I want a pente HP in 357 that comes to 145 with the pente HP pins so that it is 146 ish with the powder coat. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
JDeko 792 Posted April 25, 2015 Author Report Share Posted April 25, 2015 A thought just occurred to me: are shotgun slugs more or less related to Minie Balls? Quote Link to post Share on other sites
patriot 7,197 Posted April 25, 2015 Report Share Posted April 25, 2015 They're both lead, and round, but that's about it. 3 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
XD45 7,124 Posted April 25, 2015 Report Share Posted April 25, 2015 The Minié ball and the rifled (Foster) slug have superficial similarities arrived at from different needs. The Minié ball is hollow in the back for a different reason than the Foster slug. Rather than type a long post about it I'll just refer you to Wikipedia. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mini%C3%A9_ball http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shotgun_slug 3 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
JDeko 792 Posted April 26, 2015 Author Report Share Posted April 26, 2015 Thanks for being kind in your responses, I've been watching all these Civil War documentaries and noticed how similar they looked and the constant mention of how devastating the musket balls are reminded me of the folks that tout the shotgun slug as the self-defense load de jour. I'll read the wiki articles now. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
XD45 7,124 Posted April 26, 2015 Report Share Posted April 26, 2015 The rifled musket and Minié ball combination was so deadly that many said it would mean the end of war. Yeah the human race can be pretty naïve. 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
VR762Shooter 838 Posted April 26, 2015 Report Share Posted April 26, 2015 The Minie ball was devastating thanks to the incorporation of infection it helped cause. More people died from infections after amputation than you would want on a battlefield. If only more innovation had been made in the medical sanitation field prior to the civil war it would have been a lot different Quote Link to post Share on other sites
JDeko 792 Posted April 26, 2015 Author Report Share Posted April 26, 2015 The wikipedia article said that Brenneke slugs deform less than Foster slugs. That was part of what I was thinking of, are slugs meant to flatten out inside what you shoot like Minie Balls did and what made the wounds as gruesome as they generally were? It says the point of hollowing out the tail end is to help stabilize the slug but does the hollowing out lead to similar deformation characteristics? Quote Link to post Share on other sites
VR762Shooter 838 Posted April 26, 2015 Report Share Posted April 26, 2015 Hollowing of the end allowed better grip of rifling causing better stability in flight. As the pressure built behind the round it grabbed rifling where a solid piece doesn't expand from the rear pressure. http://www.history.com/topics/american-civil-war/minie-ball 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
XD45 7,124 Posted April 26, 2015 Report Share Posted April 26, 2015 The foster slug tends to flatten and dump it's energy. And that's a LOT of energy. The brenneke deforms less and penetrates more. For hunting I like brenneke. For defense against 2-legged predators, foster. But either can be used for either purpose. The brenneke is the clear choice when it comes to bears though, unless you're using a rifled barrel and then sabot slugs are a good choice. The DDuplex Monolit may be a great choice for bears also. 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
JDeko 792 Posted April 26, 2015 Author Report Share Posted April 26, 2015 Foster is still an unwise choice for urban self defense though, correct? I doubt it is dissuaded much by drywall and the occasional wood support. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
XD45 7,124 Posted April 26, 2015 Report Share Posted April 26, 2015 Slugs are a bad idea in urban environments. I would argue that slugs are a poor choice for defense under most circumstances. At "say hello" ranges buckshot is the way to go. If I'm only going to launch 1 projectile at a time I'd much rather have a carbine loaded with quality expanding ammunition. I have a few hundred slugs in my stash but honestly can't think of a situation where I'd use them over buckshot. But who knows? Better to have some just in case that unforeseen situation happens where I say "damn I sure wish I had some slugs!" 3 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
saltydecimator 482 Posted April 26, 2015 Report Share Posted April 26, 2015 (edited) Get yourself a Lee Load-All II and some 0.69 cal round balls. round balls are inconsistent http://www.lymanproducts.com/lyman/bullet-casting/mould-details-shotgun.php?entryID=86 giant air gunpellets ftw!! same hole, look no further Edited April 26, 2015 by saltydecimator 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
gunfun 3,931 Posted April 27, 2015 Report Share Posted April 27, 2015 The wikipedia article said that Brenneke slugs deform less than Foster slugs. That was part of what I was thinking of, are slugs meant to flatten out inside what you shoot like Minie Balls did and what made the wounds as gruesome as they generally were? It says the point of hollowing out the tail end is to help stabilize the slug but does the hollowing out lead to similar deformation characteristics? It depends. Most foster slugs are made for small east coast deer so they flatten out into doughnut shapes. Some are hard and dense. it depends on alloy and how much of a solid chunk is left in the heavy nose. brenekes tend to be a solid chunk with a light tail, so even with soft lead, they stay more integral. I have a few hundred slugs in my stash but honestly can't think of a situation where I'd use them over buckshot. But who knows? Better to have some just in case that unforeseen situation happens where I say "damn I sure wish I had some slugs!" Stopping a car engine/ blowing through a car full of thugs during a driveby... Ddupleks monolit or some of the brennekes would make sense for that. Not as much sense as just waiting behind a solid object for them to leave, but that would be my choice. You get a lot of block cracking energy transfer with less ricochet risk than some high velocity FMJ rifle rounds. A big chunk of soft-ish lead is more like a dead blow hammer. +1 on the no "roundbal" sentiment. They are never better than other options. 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
JDeko 792 Posted April 27, 2015 Author Report Share Posted April 27, 2015 +1 on the no "roundbal" sentiment. They are never better than other options. That's kind of disappointing but I guess it makes sense. There's a reason we stopped using spherical ammo over a century ago. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
gunfun 3,931 Posted April 27, 2015 Report Share Posted April 27, 2015 Don't be dissapointed. Just cast better stuff just as easily, using the lee foster mold, or the lyman 525 with slightly more work. 2 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
JDeko 792 Posted April 27, 2015 Author Report Share Posted April 27, 2015 (edited) It wasn't that... I think I have latent hipster tendencies in me, my older brother for example has Civil War facial hair, stops liking things he used to love as soon as they become widely popular, and collects pencils from the 1920s. My mum refuses to by any furniture that looks "modern" and my father once tried to turn a PT Cruiser into a faux-Duesenberg. What I mean is the idea of shooting a musket ball at something/one really appealed to me because its so old fashioned and unusual. Might also feed into my scifi nerdom and the idea that old enough technology somehow becomes superior to modern stuff. It was more that I was saddened that "turn my shotgun into a semi-auto Flintlock" is not a sound strategy. Edited April 27, 2015 by JDeko Quote Link to post Share on other sites
saltydecimator 482 Posted April 27, 2015 Report Share Posted April 27, 2015 ^ Round balls are okay, and simple but i was getting 6 inches of variability form my point of aim. And don't let us talk you out of using them but just don't expect the world out of them... they a Make fun whizzing noise when they're flying 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
XD45 7,124 Posted April 27, 2015 Report Share Posted April 27, 2015 The accuracy problem with punkin balls is that they rotate randomly. Round balls from smoothbore muskets were horribly inaccurate. The same balls fired from rifled muskets were quite accurate. I haven't looked into it but I assume that a rifled shotgun barrel would fly true. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
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