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Feds: New citizens can skip pledge to take up arms and defend the US

 
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By Pete Kasperowicz

 

Published July 21, 2015

U.S. Citizenship and Immigration Services on Tuesday said it will no longer require incoming U.S. citizens to pledge that they will "bear arms on behalf of the United States" or "perform noncombatant service" in the Armed Forces as part of the naturalization process.

 

Those lines are in the Oath of Allegiance that people recite as they become U.S. citizens. But USCIS said people "may" be able to exclude those phrases for reasons related to religion or if they have a conscientious objection.

 

USCIS said people with certain religious training or with a "deeply held moral or ethical code" may not have to say the phrases as they are naturalized.

 

The agency said people don't have to belong to a specific church or religion to use this exemption, and may attest to U.S. officials administering the oath that they have these beliefs.


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Anything to appease the prospective voters.  The things that this Administration does to pander to immigrants (both legal & illegal) is just unbelievable.   They would sell their soul for those votes.

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Anything to appease the prospective voters.  The things that this Administration does to pander to immigrants (both legal & illegal) is just unbelievable.   They would sell their soul for those votes.

 I think they already sold their souls. Problem is that they are now trying to sell ours.

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I'll differ from everyone who has commented so far and say this is a good change. Freedom of conscience is good, and mandatory military service (slavery) is not. If the United States is ever invaded militarily by a foreign power, there will be no shortage of volunteers to repel the invasion.

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"mandatory military service (slavery)"

 

I take a much different view that yours -- if we had mandatory military service for every 18 year old in this country it would imho help to instill the depussification and patriotism we need in the country.  By your equating service with slavery, well, I can confidently say that you are one of the protected many that has never served and has no concept of what "service" means...

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"mandatory military service (slavery)"

 

I take a much different view that yours -- if we had mandatory military service for every 18 year old in this country it would imho help to instill the depussification and patriotism we need in the country. 

 

What else do you call involuntary servitude if not slavery? How is "service" meritorious if it is not voluntarily given?

 

Besides, your thesis has been tried and found wanting. Did the draft during the Vietnam era instill "depussification and patriotism"? Hardly.

 

Our lives do not belong to the state.

 

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aLEUsa5MdUg

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Conscientious objectors can serve as litter bearers, cooks, or any other job that  does not involve handling arms or ordinance. 

Universal military service is NOT a bad idea - ask the Swiss!    A corrupt draft that lets Trumps, and Bushes to skate is not only abhorrent, but is criminal!

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Conscientious objectors can serve as litter bearers, cooks, or any other job that  does not involve handling arms or ordinance.   

 

It's still involuntary servitude.

 

It's amazing how many conservatives believe that our lives belong to the state.

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Conscientious objectors can serve as litter bearers, cooks, or any other job that  does not involve handling arms or ordinance.   

 

It's still involuntary servitude.

 

It's amazing how many conservatives believe that our lives belong to the state.

 

That last sentence is a little fucked up. You mean RINO.j Or fake republican. Not a conservative.

 

Welcome to the US corporation in maritime jurisdiction. Your name is in all caps Jim, you have a SSN and pay taxes. Your home belongs to international bankers and you took all your shots like cattle.  You, in fact, are a ward of the state.

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All very correct, timely, accurate and all that good stuff and thank you.  Citizenship MUST BE EARNED!  Something given freely has no value.  It has not been worked for.  Why should they have special privileges we did not have.  The draft, while nasty, is very required.  Armed violence between nations is the failure of our elected politicians to seek peaceful resolutions.  Violence settles everything.  All political power eventually comes from the muzzle of a gun.  I for one am still reeling here.  We have truly fallen down the rabbits hole.  Alice in Wonderland.  Just me.  HB

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"mandatory military service (slavery)"

 

I take a much different view that yours -- if we had mandatory military service for every 18 year old in this country it would imho help to instill the depussification and patriotism we need in the country. 

 

What else do you call involuntary servitude if not slavery? How is "service" meritorious if it is not voluntarily given?

 

Besides, your thesis has been tried and found wanting. Did the draft during the Vietnam era instill "depussification and patriotism"? Hardly.

 

Our lives  souls do not belong to the state.

 

 

My offer of mandatory service for the country has nothing to do with the draft, ergo your statement has no bearing in logic...

Try and wrap your head around what the state of Isreal is doing, then come back with a bit more educated response.

 

Fixed your statement for you to reflect reality.  Sadly our lives are wrapped up in the web of Government oversite, due to our own stupidity...

 

Oh, and a question,

have you ever served???

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Conscientious objectors can serve as litter bearers, cooks, or any other job that  does not involve handling arms or ordinance.   

 

It's still involuntary servitude.

 

It's amazing how many conservatives believe that our lives belong to the state.

 

And it is even more amazing how many liberals desire more State control over the unwashed masses, not realizing that they populate said group.  

 

Get something for nothing = the hope and delusion of all liberals...

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"My offer of mandatory service for the country has nothing to do with the draft, ergo your statement has no bearing in logic..."

 

If you don't wish to be misunderstood, try to make it more clear what you are advocating. But given the topic of this thread, the assumption that a draft is in view is completely logical.

 

 

"have you ever served???"

 

In the military? No, I was not inclined to put myself and my conscience under the absolute authority of the likes of Barack Obama, George W. Bush, or Bill or Hillary Clinton. I do try to serve God though.

 

 

"And it is even more amazing how many liberals desire more State control over the unwashed masses, not realizing that they populate said group."

 

If you'd been paying closer attention, you would have understood that I want less state intervention and control, not more.

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"My offer of mandatory service for the country has nothing to do with the draft, ergo your statement has no bearing in logic..."

 

If you don't wish to be misunderstood, try to make it more clear what you are advocating. But given the topic of this thread, the assumption that a draft is in view is completely logical.

 

 

"have you ever served???"

 

In the military? No, I was not inclined to put myself and my conscience under the absolute authority of the likes of Barack Obama, George W. Bush, or Bill or Hillary Clinton. I do try to serve God though.

 

 

"And it is even more amazing how many liberals desire more State control over the unwashed masses, not realizing that they populate said group."

 

If you'd been paying closer attention, you would have understood that I want less state intervention and control, not more.

To your first statement -- look up what the word "mandatory" means:

adjective
1.
authoritatively ordered; obligatory; compulsory:
It is mandatory that all students take two years of math.
If you understood the word, you would have understood my meaning...
 
To your second statement, "No, I was never inclined...".  It is very clear to me that you do not know the meaning of service.  I served under a few that I did not agree with but understood that my service was to my country and not a single man.  Service transcends the petty self serving interests of the individual and elevates the person into serving the nation.  It is only because of those who are currently serving or have served in the past that you can now live your "me-me-me, it's all about me" self centered lifestyle...
 
Finally Jim, I was paying attention and made the comment about liberals, if that touches too close to home for you, well my advise would be to find some panties in a larger size... they seem to be twistin up on you.
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"It is mandatory that all students take two years of math.

If you understood the word, you would have understood my meaning..."
 
I get it. You are trying to pretend that being forced to "serve" in the military is not involuntary servitude. If you are serving, but not voluntarily, what is it, exactly?
 
 
"To your second statement, "No, I was never inclined...".  It is very clear to me that you do not know the meaning of service.  I served under a few that I did not agree with but understood that my service was to my country and not a single man.  Service transcends the petty self serving interests of the individual and elevates the person into serving the nation. "
 
You weren't smart enough to work out that obeying the President's wishes is not the same as serving the nation's interests. The Iraq war was stupid in and of itself and not in the nation's interest, but it also led inexorably to Obama and Obamacare. (There would have been no President Obama without the complete and utter debacle of the Iraq War). But hey, thanks for your service! While you were "protecting our freedom", we were (and are) becoming less and less free. How do you explain that?
 
But you are right about one thing: I care nothing about serving the nation. The nation is no god to me, and nationalism is not a value promoted in the Scriptures. I try to serve God, and to take care of my family, not the interests of those who want to take away my freedoms and sponge off of my labors (the majority of my "countrymen"). So I do know something about service, just not the kind you value.
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Jim

I see you took your time and thought about what you wanted to write -- I appreciate that...

I see that Mathew 7:6 can be applied here:

"Do not give what is holy to dogs, and do not throw pearls before swine, lest they trample them under their feet, and turn and tear you to pieces." (Matthew 7:6).
The meaning is pretty simple to figure out; "Do not persist in offering what is sacred or of value to those who have no appreciation for it, because your gift will not only become contaminated and be despised, your generous efforts could also be rebuffed and perhaps even openly attacked."

 

​I also see that I am wasting my time with you.  You will never "get" it.  You go on blithely through life sucking off the teat of freedom that others have given you.  

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Anything to appease the prospective voters.  The things that this Administration does to pander to immigrants (both legal & illegal) is just unbelievable.   They would sell their soul for those votes.

 

 I think they already sold their souls. Problem is that they are now trying to sell ours.

They know they are close to victory. The freeloaders now outnumber us workers. He just putting out chum to start the feeding frenzy

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Damn I dislike those who love their freedom but want others to pay for it. Same attitude as the illegals. Give me AMERICA (yes GIVE it to me, I am a user and will NOT pay).

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Damn I dislike those who love their freedom but want others to pay for it. Same attitude as the illegals. Give me AMERICA (yes GIVE it to me, I am a user and will NOT pay).

 

What the military does today does not provide us with freedom nor guard our freedom, which is not in danger from overseas sources but from domestic ones.

 

I noticed that Odd Man Out bailed out of this thread when I posed the following challenge:

'While you were "protecting our freedom", we were (and are) becoming less and less free. How do you explain that?'

I don't think he or any of you can answer it.

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'Damn I dislike those who love their freedom but want others to pay for it. Same attitude as the illegals. Give me AMERICA (yes GIVE it to me, I am a user and will NOT pay).'

 

Best statement yet.

 

'What the military does today does not provide us with freedom nor guard our freedom, which is not in danger from overseas sources but from domestic ones.'

 

Though I think you take your freedom for granted, being in the military and serving your country is like insurance:  Don't have it and see what happens. 

 

If it were not for our military, the wolve's would have been at our doors and thru them a long time ago.  It is those that serve our country that keeps THOSE WOLVES from reaching that door.

 

You apparently do not understand the concept of serving your country, FOR THE GOOD OF THE COUNTRY.    

 

It is a selfless, honor riddled duty to do so. 

 

I will not argue that we have many domestic issue's at this time (thank you Putz in Charge), but we will deal with them, while our honored military KEEPS US SAFE TO DO SO.

 

Semper Fi!

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New radical Muslims can skip the pledge.

 

Try doing that if you were a white european and they would never process your ass.

 

Fucking horse shit.

 

Even the banks have fees in order to bend the rules for fanatic muslims who refuse to take a loan but use banks that are forced by the cock sucking FDIC to equally apply all loans. There is no private banking anymore.

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I noticed that Odd Man Out bailed out of this thread when I posed the following challenge:

'While you were "protecting our freedom", we were (and are) becoming less and less free. How do you explain that?'

I don't think he or any of you can answer it.

 I did not bail from the thread, I bailed on you since trying to have a logical conversation is pointless = pearls before swine.  See above.

 

Keep sucking that teat...

 

And yes I can and will answer your question you pose, even though you will refuse to understand it;

The military does not and will not meddle in domestic problems.  The purpose of the military is to protect us from external threats.  The population is responsible for taking care of domestic problems by voting into office those who will take on and solve them -- alas, we are populated by a vast majority of "low information voters" = people who get excited by having a first black man or woman in office or those who are so mind numbingly stupid that they can't understand that there is no such thing as a free lunch.  Or those that feel that Freedom does not need to be bought and secured at a price.  I count you as numbering in that population.

 

Again, not trying to teach you anything but wrote the above for those that are less dense to understand.

 

Peace through firepower

Out.

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