boomka 40 Posted September 17, 2015 Report Share Posted September 17, 2015 Is the little pop-up safety on the dust cover latch needed? My AK doesn't have one and it's a pain at times to get the dust cover off with that thing on. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
skullface405420 45 Posted September 17, 2015 Report Share Posted September 17, 2015 If your talking about the push button spring detent recoil assembly latch button its not needed its just added measure to secure the dust cover on a saiga 12. Otherwise I'm not sure what your talking about Quote Link to post Share on other sites
boomka 40 Posted September 17, 2015 Author Report Share Posted September 17, 2015 Part number 27 here: http://forum.saiga-12.com/index.php?/topic/46542-exploded-parts-diagram/ Quote Link to post Share on other sites
YOT 3,743 Posted September 17, 2015 Report Share Posted September 17, 2015 Perhaps it is needed with the recoil of a shotgun. I never really considered why it's there, but I have fairly manly hands and have no issue with it. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
SGL 530 Posted September 17, 2015 Report Share Posted September 17, 2015 If I'm not mistaken, it was originally developed for rifles equipped with grenade launchers after top covers started flying off when launching them.I'm guessing that Izhmash probably had the same thing happening when they were developing the S12 due to the increased recoil of the 12 gauge. Adding it is an extra step that costs money, so I don't think they would include it if it wasn't needed.It's really not hard to manage once you're used to it and will become second nature once you've taken it apart enough times for cleaning. 2 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
boomka 40 Posted September 17, 2015 Author Report Share Posted September 17, 2015 If I'm not mistaken, it was originally developed for rifles equipped with grenade launchers after top covers started flying off when launching them. I'm guessing that Izhmash probably had the same thing happening when they were developing the S12 due to the increased recoil of the 12 gauge. Adding it is an extra step that costs money, so I don't think they would include it if it wasn't needed. It's really not hard to manage once you're used to it and will become second nature once you've taken it apart enough times for cleaning. Yeah I don't see that as mechanically valid given the forces and thier vectors. Either way I can put a slant on the front of the button that will make it easier and not compromise thier alleged reasons. Thanks for the input guys! Quote Link to post Share on other sites
skullface405420 45 Posted September 17, 2015 Report Share Posted September 17, 2015 I would assume it's something you would want. Last thing you want when your hunting or something of that nature is the dust cover flying off into your face when fireing. I went dove hunting earlier this week and as soon as I started fireing my magazine fell out after the second shot. Great way to ruin the moment realizing your magazine latch is so dogged on it cannot secure to your gun during fireing.... Quote Link to post Share on other sites
G O B 3,516 Posted September 17, 2015 Report Share Posted September 17, 2015 Put a drop of penetrating oil on it and whack it a few times. That will make it work a lot easier! Without it the cover will jump off. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
gunfun 3,931 Posted September 17, 2015 Report Share Posted September 17, 2015 If I'm not mistaken, it was originally developed for rifles equipped with grenade launchers after top covers started flying off when launching them. I'm guessing that Izhmash probably had the same thing happening when they were developing the S12 due to the increased recoil of the 12 gauge. Adding it is an extra step that costs money, so I don't think they would include it if it wasn't needed. It's really not hard to manage once you're used to it and will become second nature once you've taken it apart enough times for cleaning. This. I seem to recall that some of the early imports didn't have them, and occasionally would have the dust covers pop off. It does seem like an easier solution would have been just to make the square portion a little longer, and skip the button. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
boomka 40 Posted September 18, 2015 Author Report Share Posted September 18, 2015 I'm fitting-up the CSS no-tang receiver block tonight ( generously acquired for me by Heartbreaker ) and when that's done I'll put a small bevel on the front of that latch button. IF the dustcover were to slide backwards it would slam into the unaltered front of the button, but the bevel will allow the button to pass into the dustcover when the button is not quite all the way down, thus easing the effort required to push the button down while pressing the latch forward. I'm still not seeing what force blows the dust cover off while the latch is held rearward by recoil and spring tension on the spring mount/latch. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
G O B 3,516 Posted September 18, 2015 Report Share Posted September 18, 2015 Inertia blows the cover off (a body in motion...) The dust cover is in motion to the rear, and is only held in the front by a shallow recess. I have had to tweek the back of the dust cover to keep it from coming out at the front. It's just shet metal and can get bent. You may have too much tension keeping the button from being pushed in. Better tight than poping off. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
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